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myron cope posted:I looked at that for a long time and finally decided that was max/min/probable amounts of oil. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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chesh posted:Sorry, I may have conflated or confused numbers. It was late! In the linked NPR article is states that 3.2 million Americans have no form of photo ID, based on this study: Basically, one just needs to remember how poor and/or rural a lot of America. I mean someone said it's basically a poll tax, which it is. Case in point, forget voting, look at this map of the amount of American households even in the 21st century that do not have any type of bank account http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/unbanked_underbanked/index.html We're not as developed as we like to think. Strangely, given the need for ID at a bank minus the elderly who have been going to the same bank for 4 decades, that map is also probably a decent barometer of the amount of people without an ID that'd be valid for voting as well.
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Saw this posted on Facebook. I'd ask if people actually understood how economics and the oil market work, but we all know the answer. It's all Obama 
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Boondock Saint posted:Saw this posted on Facebook. A well-done image rebuttal was posted on the last page. I've already used it once.
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llama_arse posted:A well-done image rebuttal was posted on the last page. I've already used it once. Whoops, going to use that one then. Thanks!
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I wouldn't use this link as part of your arguments, but Maddow did a good segment on energy policy including oil. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#46598364
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Boondock Saint posted:Saw this posted on Facebook. I wonder what kind of person makes voting decisions based on a post-it note. 
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chesh posted:Something as simple as a misspelling of a common name on "official" paperwork can literally gently caress you over for life. I have an apostrophe in my name and god drat if that isn't one of the most infuriating things to deal with when it comes to web forms and such
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I've found these charts useful too:  I think that the US has temporarily become a net exporter of oil because we have a ton of refineries. Note that the last one stops at July of 2010. The current spot price of oil as of this post is around $106
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zeroprime posted:Loving Life Partner posted:God I hope I'm long, long dead before the Oil Wars start. euphronius posted:The oil wars started a long time ago. Oil has always been at war with gold.
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My friend James is still clinging to anyone who doesn't get an ID is "lazy" and has some how tied that into a point thatquote:"the gov spent over a billion giving these people cell phones. ebt cards can be used at Starbucks and McDonalds. they had to propose legislation to stop them from using ebt cards to withdrawal cash at strip clubs. clearly they have the time and resources available to make it happen." James is a cool dude, but fuuuuuuck he has some terrible views on poor people... 
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Riptor posted:I have an apostrophe in my name and god drat if that isn't one of the most infuriating things to deal with when it comes to web forms and such
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Amused to Death posted:Basically, one just needs to remember how poor and/or rural a lot of America. I mean someone said it's basically a poll tax, which it is. Case in point, forget voting, look at this map of the amount of American households even in the 21st century that do not have any type of bank account On this note too, republicans won't get hit by voter id laws, assuming they do it like my home state: Kentucky posted:117.227 Confirmation of voter's identity. I ran into this the last time I voted because high school taught me(lol) that voter ID was illegal. I had a bit of an argument with the lady asking me till some old dude behind her chimed in that he knew my parents and me from when I was a preschooler. Point being, there'll always be someone who is an acquaintance of the old fucks, but the new people who don't know how to vote, or their rights, will be hosed.
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Zero_Grade posted:Yeah me too. It's a pain in the rear end on everything. Web forms, applications for whatever, computerized/standard tests, etc. Some places take it, some don't and want a space, some don't and don't want a space, who knows! whats up irish/italian/klingon bro 
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If this isn't in the right place (it's not forwarded), feel free to ignore it. My conservative brother recently emailed me about the whole Sandra Fluke debacle, which he just found out about. I am nearly certain he doesn't know about Limbaugh's comments, though:quote:"Hi, I go to Georgetown University and am a spoiled rich kid. I spend $3000 a semester on contraceptives and have sex constantly. I am offended that the tax payers don't pay for my contraceptives. We need to do something about this." And after a brief email from my Mom in response, he says this: quote:Contraception should be the responsibility of men and women, not strangers or taxpayers. Contraceptives don't protect against HIV. It is wrong in my opinion for the government to cover anything other than military support and energy management, space exploration, etc. I mean seriously, you WANT to pay for this spoiled slut's sex life in your taxes? Okay...... Oh boy, there's so much packed into those two emails, and I really want to craft a well-informed response, but that's where you guys come in because I'd just end up angry, I promise. First of all, I realize that Fluke's comments were more directed at use of contraceptives as a preventive measure against ovarian cancer (not HIV as my brother took from it), and I did track down a source that supports that. But as for the bill as a whole, I've never gotten a clear, unbiased description of it. Am I correct in assuming that it's not about taxpayers at all? It's my understanding that the bill basically says, "if an employee requests birth control methods through his/her employer, the employer must comply." But doesn't that come out of the insurer's budget rather than the taxpayer's? And then there's the government expenditure point. I think I'm okay there, because I genuinely do believe in the concept of welfare and thanks to most of the posts in this thread, can justify my opinion. But still, I want to at least help my brother see and understand my point of view (related: one time I casually mentioned the term "carbon footprint" in conversation and he went off about twenty minutes about how Al Gore is just trying to steal your money).
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I don't have the actual email, but I heard a new one last night. According to a co-worker (who believes everything anti-Obama that she reads), Obama has drafted a long letter declaring martial law and negating the upcoming election. He plans on releasing this letter on December 21, 2112 during the chaos and confusion. He will then take advantage of the fact that the country is in shambles from all of the panic about the end of the world, and declare himself dictator. He has been secretly sneaking in Muslim extremists in for the last 4 years and they will be his army. She really believes this. I gave up arguing with her. What can you even say to this level of crazy? I asked her to forward the email to me, but I don't think she's goign to because she knows I just want to make fun of it.
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quote:Hi, I go to Georgetown University and am a spoiled rich kid. I spend $3000 a semester on contraceptives and have sex constantly. I'm not surprised how many of these fuckwits don't get that a lot of women are prescribed birth control pills for other reasons besides actual birth control. Also, your brother's an idiot. There's nothing about government-provided health insurance or contraception, the bill relates to employer-provided healthcare coverage, and the fact that no employer should be allowed to deny their employees legitimate health care coverage on the basis of some bullshit religious excuse.
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LoveMeDead posted:I don't have the actual email, but I heard a new one last night. According to a co-worker (who believes everything anti-Obama that she reads), Obama has drafted a long letter declaring martial law and negating the upcoming election. He plans on releasing this letter on December 21, 2112 during the chaos and confusion. He will then take advantage of the fact that the country is in shambles from all of the panic about the end of the world, and declare himself dictator. He has been secretly sneaking in Muslim extremists in for the last 4 years and they will be his army. Good thing we'll all be dead by then.
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Just saw this on Facebook. I have no loving clue.
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El Boot posted:Just saw this on Facebook. Already been done. Just reply "What about Jesus?"
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El Boot posted:Just saw this on Facebook. I can't get over the ignorance and stupidity Swastika = Nazi party symbol, equivalent of republican elephant or whatnot Obama O = campaign symbol, maybe hasn't really been done before, but eh, it's cool and catchy for the kids Edit: also, every loving royal has their own symbol, it's called arms. Also, your signature is prettymuch a personal symbol in this day and age, it's not a logo but it's unique and represents you.
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Walter posted:I'm not surprised how many of these fuckwits don't get that a lot of women are prescribed birth control pills for other reasons besides actual birth control. I love my doctor. We usually spend 15 minutes talking about politics and literature before we even get to the reason for my visit. I literally went in for a prescription refill yesterday and as he was going over my list of prescriptions, we get to: <Doc> Still taking the depo-provera? <Me> Yep. <Doc> Still getting it at Planned Parenthood? <Me> Yep. <Doc> Good. They haven't been legislated out of existence yet and need your insurance money. Ugh, how did they become a lightening rod for this poo poo? The Republican field would be hilarious if there wasn't a real possibility of one of them getting elected. And on it went. Because he's awesome. But while we were on the subject, I asked him about birth control being prescribed for non-contraceptive uses, like hormone regulation and to prevent ovarian cysts. He acknowledged that yes, they have off-label uses, but that it was a fairly spurious argument because 99.99999% of women do not get birth control for that reason. Just like, technically, you could get Viagra to help with this one rare heart issue (I forget the name) but, seriously, no one is buying that cover story, dude.
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El Boot posted:Just saw this on Facebook. 
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LoveMeDead posted:I don't have the actual email, but I heard a new one last night. According to a co-worker (who believes everything anti-Obama that she reads), Obama has drafted a long letter declaring martial law and negating the upcoming election. He plans on releasing this letter on December 21, 2112 during the chaos and confusion. He will then take advantage of the fact that the country is in shambles from all of the panic about the end of the world, and declare himself dictator. He has been secretly sneaking in Muslim extremists in for the last 4 years and they will be his army. Luckily she'll be long dead by then.  E: poo poo, I had that open longer than I thought.
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ThePeteEffect posted:Luckily she'll be long dead by then. ROFL I of course meant 2012. My co-worker is crazy. The conversation started by talking about the post-it note on the gas pump. I had my Kindle with me and showed her the handy graphs you guys have posted here.
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Armyman25 posted:What about Actually, someone did respond with, "Well and 'Prince', but we're not sure about him either!" Prince: Possibly just like Hitler.
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Facebook:quote:Derick weighs into the health insurance for contraception debate: contraception is a low-cost/high-frequency event. It's not like a broken leg or cancer, which is a high-cost/low-frequency event. It's therefore not really insurable. Insurance, by definition, converts high-cost/low-frequency events into low-cost/high-frequency events. What people therefore want when they ask for contraception to be covered by insurance is a subsidy. My reply: quote:I think this position would be tenable if being 'morally opposed' to contraception were really about moral opposition to contraception and not about wanting women to suffer consequences for having sex. Limbaugh actually nailed the position on the head when he described Sarah Fluke as "a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her life woman. She wants all the sex in the world whenever she wants it, all the time, no consequences. No responsibility for her behavior." Too mean?
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Prince is a Jehova's witness, and we all know how well the Jehova's Witnesses got along with the Nazis.
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chesh posted:He acknowledged that yes, they have off-label uses, but that it was a fairly spurious argument because 99.99999% of women do not get birth control for that reason. Just like, technically, you could get Viagra to help with this one rare heart issue (I forget the name) but, seriously, no one is buying that cover story, dude. I must have hit the jackpot, then, because I've known three women in the last two years who were prescribed birth control as younger teenagers for reasons besides contraception.
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Keshik posted:Facebook: Rush has no children. Does he use contraception, or just not gently caress women? Walter posted:I must have hit the jackpot, then, because I've known three women in the last two years who were prescribed birth control as younger teenagers for reasons besides contraception. It's anecdotal, and therefor worth the internet paper it's printed on. I'm not saying he's right, just relaying what he said.
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chesh posted:Rush has no children. Does he use contraception, or just not gently caress women? When Rush wants to gently caress Rush goes to the Dominican Republic where people are not as stuck up about sex as they are in America.
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chesh posted:. He acknowledged that yes, they have off-label uses, but that it was a fairly spurious argument because 99.99999% of women do not get birth control for that reason. Just like, technically, you could get Viagra to help with this one rare heart issue (I forget the name) but, seriously, no one is buying that cover story, dude. This has been posted somewhere in this forum once or twice, but I forget who posted it originally. quote:The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.
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Keshik posted:Facebook: quote:Insurance, by definition, converts high-cost/low-frequency events into low-cost/high-frequency events. Which is why no insurance policies cover regular prescription refills.
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chesh posted:And on it went. Because he's awesome. But while we were on the subject, I asked him about birth control being prescribed for non-contraceptive uses, like hormone regulation and to prevent ovarian cysts. He acknowledged that yes, they have off-label uses, but that it was a fairly spurious argument because 99.99999% of women do not get birth control for that reason. Just like, technically, you could get Viagra to help with this one rare heart issue (I forget the name) but, seriously, no one is buying that cover story, dude. Your doctor does sound awesome, but most of my friends are gay or otherwise engage in sex where procreation is unlikely to occur, and I'd say at least a quarter have been on birth control at some point in their lives for PCOS (which 1 out of 15 women get diagnosed with), to regularize or stop their periods, or to help with cystic acne. Anecdotal, yes, but I myself have been on Marvelon for ten years despite not being at high risk for pregnancy.
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katlington posted:When Rush wants to gently caress Rush goes to the Dominican Republic where people are not as stuck up about sex as they are in America. With Viagra with a prescription of another man's name. The guy is freaking Caligula.
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Giant Goats posted:Your doctor does sound awesome, but most of my friends are gay or otherwise engage in sex where procreation is unlikely to occur, and I'd say at least a quarter have been on birth control at some point in their lives for PCOS (which 1 out of 15 women get diagnosed with), to regularize or stop their periods, or to help with cystic acne. Anecdotal, yes, but I myself have been on Marvelon for ten years despite not being at high risk for pregnancy. I'm in the same boat. I'm at a low "risk" of pregnancy but I originally chose and stuck with my form of hormonal birth control because it alleviated the horrible symptoms I experienced with menstruation. But, you know, I'm a huge a slut and will be posting all my sex tapes on the interwebs tomorrow because Rush demanded I do so.
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