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He was on the Blackwater, that's something.
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I will admit that I like Davos more for his character than for his actual story.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:13
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Same here. I didn't really care where his story was going, but I liked his character a lot.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:30
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Yeah. Well Davos right now is escaping, right? So that's exciting. The story that makes you want to get a lobotomy the most is still Dany's, though.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:37
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Dead Man Posting posted:Yeah. Well Davos right now is escaping, right? So that's exciting. Especially in ADWD. I actually liked her in the first couple books before it was clear nothing was going to happen.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:37
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Dany IX (chapter 52) is still one of the coolest in the book, and a CMOA for her character.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:42
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Joramun posted:Dany IX (chapter 52) is still one of the coolest in the book, and a CMOA for her character. This is probably obvious, but what does CMOA stand for?
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Mar 3, 2012 21:43
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RCarr posted:This is probably obvious, but what does CMOA stand for? Crowning Moment of Awesome, it's a TV Tropes thing. And for reference, Dany IX is the chapter where she leaves on Drogon, which was pretty cool I admit.
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Mar 3, 2012 21:46
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Dead Man Posting posted:Yeah. Well Davos right now is escaping, right? So that's exciting. Dany makes me really angry because she had so much potential for a really interesting story about a young, female ruler rising to power and then it literally ends up as verbal diarrhea a billion miles from the real action. Such a waste of a storyline.
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Mar 3, 2012 22:01
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At least she can get pregnant again and ride her dragons so something has to happen now right? Right?? 
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Mar 3, 2012 22:07
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TheManWithNoName posted:At least she can get pregnant again and ride her dragons so something has to happen now right? Right?? Did I miss the sun rising in the west or something?
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Mar 3, 2012 22:32
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JustFrakkingDoIt posted:Did I miss the sun rising in the west or something? The frog prince's coat of arms is a sun on a spear and he rose in the west to be roasted in the east.
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Mar 3, 2012 22:36
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Sophia posted:Dany makes me really angry because she had so much potential for a really interesting story about a young, female ruler rising to power and then it literally ends up as verbal diarrhea a billion miles from the real action. Such a waste of a storyline. Exactly. It's pretty hard to ruin a woman rising from nothing to take revenge with her dragons, but Gurm somehow managed it.
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Mar 3, 2012 22:39
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Maytag posted:I'm guessing I'm the only one here who finds Davos and his entire story boring as hell. It was enjoyable up till the point... er, I cannot even recall what was happening when it got to boring to remember. That's how forgetable it was.
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Mar 3, 2012 23:25
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I don't understand how anyone can talk about him having character because he's about the blandest dude in the series.
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Mar 3, 2012 23:40
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Fog Tripper posted:It was enjoyable up till the point... er, I cannot even recall what was happening when it got to boring to remember. That's how forgetable it was. Davos sucked until ADWD, and that's like being the nicest peanut in a turd.
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Mar 3, 2012 23:40
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Davos is awesome because he's one of the only characters that isn't scheming, greedy, dumb, or douchey. Hopefully he ends up on the Iron Throne and ushers in an age of peace and onions for all.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:18
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TheManWithNoName posted:Davos is awesome because he's one of the only characters that isn't scheming, greedy, dumb, or douchey. Hopefully he ends up on the Iron Throne and ushers in an age of peace and onions for all. This, pretty much. I doubt he'd want to rule, though, so I'd be content with Stan the Man having him as Hand.
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Mar 4, 2012 00:46
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Urdnot Fire posted:Exactly. It's pretty hard to ruin a woman rising from nothing to take revenge with her dragons, but Gurm somehow managed it.
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Mar 4, 2012 01:29
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PrBacterio posted:I'm increasingly convinced it would have been better had GRRM gone with his original plan of just skipping ahead the story by several years and just consider all the stuff that had to happen for Dany to get to Westeros etc. to already have happened "in the past" for the next book, to have taken place in that span of time in between books 3 and 4. The problem is there really isn't a satisfactory way to get her from her position in ASoS to Westeros without oversimplifying things, and unfortunately for all of us GRRM decided to take the long way around and showcase all the messy politics that would quagmire a would-be conqueror with less experience than she knows.
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Mar 4, 2012 01:33
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mind the walrus posted:The problem is there really isn't a satisfactory way to get her from her position in ASoS to Westeros without oversimplifying things, and unfortunately for all of us GRRM decided to take the long way around and showcase all the messy politics that would quagmire a would-be conqueror with less experience than she knows.
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Mar 4, 2012 02:09
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But none of those things involve something as essential to a character as Dany's giving up on Mereen (or somehow pulling it off perfectly) and going onto Westeros. He wrote himself into a corner as soon as he had Dany decide to embrace the White Princess's Burden. Really he should have had the whole thing end with her gallivanting off to Asshai and then hearing about Astapor after she could no longer do any damage. Better yet: end it on that note and otherwise leave the rest of ASOS as-is. Then announce the end of the trilogy right there. Sure, nothing's resolved, but nothing's ever going to get resolved and at least ASOS ended pretty much everything on a high note. Also, proposal for a new rule: no more Tropes. We're already awful enough; we don't need to dilute it with some other brand of awfulness.
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Mar 4, 2012 03:21
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Agreed on no tropes. That said it would be even better if he had made the whole "Mereen self-destructs under a naive Princess" plot just a goddamn chapter or two, but he just kept dragging it out. There's commitment to detail and realism and then there's shooting your narrative in the foot.
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Mar 4, 2012 03:24
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He should have moved Quentyn Martell or whatever his name was along in Feast, so he could set the dragons loose and gently caress everything up at the beginning of the book. None of that poo poo was interesting in any way and having Dany sit there ignoring her world conquering murderbeasts that she's locked in the basement was an unbelievably frustrating writing choice.
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Mar 4, 2012 03:27
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By tropes do you mean all that nuncle and neeps and words are wind everybody keeps repeating because that got old fast.
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Mar 4, 2012 05:29
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Maytag posted:By tropes do you mean all that nuncle and neeps and words are wind everybody keeps repeating because that got old fast. Probably just the endlessly irritating TVTropes dribble.
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Mar 4, 2012 05:38
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Skipped Danychat '12 to say that Davos is motherfucking milk toast.
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Mar 4, 2012 05:49
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Maytag posted:By tropes do you mean all that nuncle and neeps and words are wind everybody keeps repeating because that got old fast. No, those stay, because they're OUR lovely catchphrases nobody likes but uses all the time. TVTropes is a whole 'nother kettle of fish with an entirely different tradition of rape and morbidly obese authors writing about teenage girls.
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Mar 4, 2012 06:29
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TheManWithNoName posted:Davos is awesome because he's one of the only characters that isn't scheming, greedy, dumb, or douchey. Hopefully he ends up on the Iron Throne and ushers in an age of peace and onions for all.
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Mar 4, 2012 09:38
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Rurik posted:Something along those lines can also be said about Bronn. He's greedy maybe, but there's a lot more greedier characters in the series, and his overall awesomeness when compared to Davos easily makes him better. Bronn just doesn't give a gently caress about anyone else in the series no matter who they are. He should be given his own POV.
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Mar 4, 2012 11:37
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Are you insane? Bronn can't be given a POV, the series would suddenly end as he goes off and conquers the entire planet, crushing the thrones of men beneath his sandalled heel.
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Mar 4, 2012 13:16
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Are you insane? Bronn can't be given a POV, the series would suddenly end as he goes off and conquers the entire planet, crushing the thrones of men beneath his sandalled heel. Or he eats shitberries and spends a book making GBS threads water and blood while talking about his wife and lamprey pie, such is the curse of the GRRM-POV. Although, the Barristan chapters may be a counterpoint to the general rule of poo poo that follows George the Hutt.
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Mar 4, 2012 14:36
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crazypeltast52 posted:Or he eats shitberries and spends a book making GBS threads water and blood while talking about his wife and lamprey pie, such is the curse of the GRRM-POV. Although, the Barristan chapters may be a counterpoint to the general rule of poo poo that follows George the Hutt. I'd be fine with a series consisting solely of Barristan, Bronn, and Davos. They could be roommates, it could be a wacky sitcom, or else they could be wandering the earth fighting baddies.
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Mar 4, 2012 18:11
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They could be constantly having to rescue their semi-handicapped friend Quentyn as he cooks up half-brained schemes to tame the dragon.
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Mar 4, 2012 18:17
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Elindale posted:They could be constantly having to rescue their semi-handicapped friend Quentyn as he cooks up half-brained schemes to tame the dragon. For added fun, the "dragon" in question could be Viserys. His crazy eyes would make the show.
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Mar 4, 2012 18:46
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Bronn is the current disguise of the God-Emperor of Mankind. He will rise up from his castle when the time is ripe. A Dream of Spring will literally be all about Bronn uniting Mankind.
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Mar 4, 2012 19:16
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whowhatwhere posted:Bronn is the current disguise of the God-Emperor of Mankind. He will rise up from his castle when the time is ripe. A Dream of Spring will literally be all about Bronn uniting Mankind. The Darkstar is secretly his natural-born son Horus, except he will only mortally wound his ear.
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Mar 4, 2012 20:01
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so, is now a good time to start asking about Winds of Winter? (no, seriously)
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Mar 4, 2012 21:53
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Give it a few years.
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Asking what about it? Which decade it will be released in?
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