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!amicable posted:I don't think that's fair to the game to be honest. Half the fun of WMH is having a fat greasy feat drop right when you think you're ready to go for the kill, or whatever. Ordinarily I'd agree, but I know the Cygnar player tends to save his one-use tricks (we have played a lot of D&D) and figured use of feats would do me a lot more good than him. This was only like his fourth MkII game, and his first in almost a year. We'll put them back in next time, and hopefully have enough models that it won't necessarily be such a weird matchup. THAT SAID, neither of us had any idea what was going on with my list. I normally use pKrueger and some lights for tutorials, but didn't feel like mixing focus and fury after so long from the game, and was eager to try out my new Khador for the first time. Only tangentially related: when I'm going against new players, I like to pick things I'm unfamiliar with or that match up poorly against my opponent, then play my hardest. I'm new enough that this has tended to work out quite evenly. I also try to set it up so that the game zero is sub-battlebox: caster and a jack or two. Then for game one, add in the single dealie that made the player attracted to the game in the first place. Does anyone have any other tutorial tricks?
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Paper Kaiju posted:IR SMART: It'll be a full year in July; I'd say yes on tactics and strategies but I think things will change with the Vyre jacks. Mainly the Banshee really, though Sphinx with Battlemages may prove bananas too. Everyone's major complaint about them is how Magic Attack 6 Misses so often. Well Magic Attack 8 won't be. Hypnos with Ossyan is going to make some bitches cry. The only one I don't like is the Deamon and not because it's bad. It's just that Retribution has tons of ways to clear Infantry already; and that's the major selling point of the Deamon. But seriously Wailing bubble and that Knockdown gun are hilariously good. Also I believe the Vyre jacks will make a good argument for the Scyir making a come back. Cmd 10 Commander ( Last 2 games I played the MHSF failed their command checks for terror on a 10 3 different time  ); and Reroll are the big things. Co-ordinated strike means you can safely be behind your Dawnguard then fly on out when needed.Another thing is that I've been playing mainly 35pt games; but everyone has finally gotten around to wanting to play 50pts so that should help a lot. Some Dude on the Internet posted:I know someone in Japan who got the new nq, all this info is 100% accurate Source Link: http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?99809-No-quarter-spoilers&p=1336145&viewfull=1#post1336145 Well now that sure does make things interesting. If it shares most of the rules of the BE's then that means it probably can't be places. That rules out the Khador players salivating at Karchev and Conquest. No Out of Turn Movement means no Enliven though . Witch Hound does get kind of funny with something that big though.I R SMART LIKE ROCK fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Mar 9, 2012 |
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I am so sad that I'm currently too poor to buy the Vyre jacks. I want to get two kits, one for Hypnos, and one for a multi-jack.I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:mammoth for skorne I was really hoping for something more Tyrannosaur-ish. Still, assuming that by 'mammoth', they mean a hulked-up Titan, it should still be awesome.
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Mar 9, 2012 23:56
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:Well now that sure does make things interesting. If it shares most of the rules of the BE's then that means it probably can't be places. That rules out the Khador players salivating at Karchev and Conquest. No Out of Turn Movement means no Enliven though Enliven on a Colossal would be loving horse poo poo.
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S.J. posted:Enliven on a Colossal would be loving amazing. Just helping you out there. 
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Mar 10, 2012 00:08
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I just bought the Trollblood box and the book. What now?
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Adrian Finol posted:I just bought the Trollblood box and the book. Full unit of Fennblades + UA, Kriel Stone + UA, another heavy of your choice (I'd recommend the Bomber), and any second caster that suits your fancy. But before you do any of that, play some games with the battlegroup box and get the basics of the game down.
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Oh yea since before we were all PPvsGW, can I just say NQ is the only gaming magazine I get that I never regret? Free rules, neat modeling stuff, and even though it has poo poo like 'here's how you take an army from battle box to 100 points!' it never feels like a giant ad like White Dwarf did.
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Sulecrist posted:Ordinarily I'd agree, but I know the Cygnar player tends to save his one-use tricks Also, if people want Vassal games, hit me up on PMs, I am awful and you can feel good about beating me. I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:
Teleporting woldwrath around would be disgusting.
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Mar 10, 2012 01:43
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!amicable posted:Teleporting woldwrath around would be disgusting. Double teleporting woldwrath 
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S.J. posted:Double teleporting woldwrath I'm just imagining a BAMF that sounds like god farting
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I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:
It does mean Choir Buffs though!   
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I play Menoth and Circle. Any advice you give Finol, just tell me how to counter.
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Paper Kaiju posted:
Sounds like a great time! There was no one in really in contention for first with me at the end. I had more games played and more wins than anyone else. I've never played in a league before but holy poo poo the medal they gave looks amazing! Also: I just purchased $140 worth of Ret(still love my Khador). Had no idea they won Gnarls worldwide, but that makes me pretty happy. !amicable posted:
This. This. A thousand times this. I play literally every turn of the game seeing if I can kill the enemy caster and/or do ridiculous poo poo. My favorite moment thus far has to be a buddy and I playing King of the Hill. We agreed to use a bridge as our 'hill' for the game, but with the added fun of having it going over a bottomless pit. Well genius that I am I park my spriggan right on top of the hill. He rolls up some arcane tempest gunmages and begins throwing thunderbolts at my spriggan to knock it into the pit! I get lucky and he rolls not a single crit, but still, it was a pretty white-knuckle moment for me. P.S. Spriggan charged for a kill on eHaley next turn.
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*reads about how it looks like they are going to unveil the Trollblood colossal. Looks at wallet* Mother fucker! Wish I didn't get my few cheapo Menoths! On another note, do we have any press gangers here? My area is 20 miles from the nearest one and I was wondering how hard is it to be one.
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Just played my first game against a serious Cryx player. Oh god, I don't even loving know how to get around that. He used Scaverous and did some BS with exarnate and bile thralls and telekinesis to pop a bile thrall in the middle of my WG and take everything out. That was pretty much game, at that point.
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Scaverous' main weakness is hes got so much potential to spend that Focus every turn that he can leave himself a little too open to return fire. His only protection if he's going to be spending focus is to sit at range so your first priority is to nuke his arc nodes so that he either sits back and doesn't support his army or comes forward to you. Another priority after that is the Withershadow so that he isn't getting an upkeep for free and puppet strings.
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The excarnate trick is brutal, but it has so many drat variables and if one thing doesn't go off perfectly it'll fail and likely leave you out high and dry. One tough roll on your WG would have stopped it dead.
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Tommmmm posted:Scaverous' main weakness is hes got so much potential to spend that Focus every turn that he can leave himself a little too open to return fire. His only protection if he's going to be spending focus is to sit at range so your first priority is to nuke his arc nodes so that he either sits back and doesn't support his army or comes forward to you. Another priority after that is the Withershadow so that he isn't getting an upkeep for free and puppet strings. He used the terrain intelligently to his favor and brought the chicken jack up with a run to arc through. I recognized in hindsight that if I'd remembered to counter-charge with my war dog, I might have survived. His other chicken jack was far on the flank and might not have had range. Not sure what Scav's control range is, though.
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Citizen Z posted:He used the terrain intelligently to his favor and brought the chicken jack up with a run to arc through. I recognized in hindsight that if I'd remembered to counter-charge with my war dog, I might have survived. His other chicken jack was far on the flank and might not have had range. Not sure what Scav's control range is, though. 14", he's focus 7.
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PV: What was the Gaspy list you posted earlier? I can't seem to find it.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:PV: What was the Gaspy list you posted earlier? I can't seem to find it. This one? PaintVagrant posted:Im going to run this tonight, Ill let you know how it goes. Couldnt quite squeeze in ragman at 35:
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S.J. posted:This one? No, it had the Worm I'm pretty sure. EDIT: found it! It was in the oath thread. System: Warmachine Faction: Cryx Casters: 1/1 Points: 35/35 Iron Lich Asphyxious (*6pts) OATHED * Cankerworm (5pts) * Nightwretch (4pts) * Ripjaw (5pts) * Reaper (7pts) Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts) OATHED * Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts) OATHED Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts) Pistol Wraith (3pts) Warwitch Siren (2pts) Arrgytehpirate fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Mar 11, 2012 |
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Played against that list. It was pretty legit. I won on bullshit scenario but he won the moral victory. Also Jarl loving owns, especially a badass PV painted one. Kriel Warrior deathstar up in your face 16" on turn one? Hell loving yes. Definitely want some Fennblades and Long Riders now too.
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Sold my Ret, and about to start a magical journey with Menoth. Cannot wait for plastic Errants.
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Feeple posted:Sold my Ret, and about to start a magical journey with Menoth. Cannot wait for plastic Errants. Welcome to the fold brother. Although I'm rocking Cyrx right now and will be until L&L is done.
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Took 3rd (surprised the hell out of me, I thought my breakers were terrible) and split best painted at card kingdom's 35 point tournament today, going 3-1. Ran the same Saeryn list I ran at the tournament last week, along with a T3 eVayl list which I only used in round one (hooray for no divide and conquer). Vayl, Consul of Everblight (*6pts) * Harrier (2pts) * Nephilim Soldier (5pts) * Angelius (9pts) * Seraph (8pts) Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts) Spawning Vessel (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts) Throne of Everblight (9pts) Highlights include a successful use of that completely untested eVayl list against a pMadrak brick (player left a gap, cue 2 boosted obliterations and 4 seraph shots blowing Madrak off the table), getting tabled round two on the strength of my dice failing me (two scytheans and an angelius couldn't kill a vaquisher and a reckoner between them, life sucks) and my opponent's dice blowing way up when he went to grenade things with zealots on my feat turn (plus pSeverius running for his life from a Raek, which wasn't fast enough to keep up with it when I only had a turn to live), and assassinating eSkarre with two seconds left on my clock after I had laboriously butchered everything he had on the table except a Nightwretch. Surprise MVP: My forsaken, for breaking a Warwitch Siren and a unit of Daughters of the Flame twice each with abomination checks (doing 10 surprise damage to a Nightwretch was nice, too). Starting to get the hang of this tournament thing, along with the art of playing fast. It's nice to work out the math for attacks ahead of time in casual games, but when you're under clock pressure, taking the time to query your opponent is often a waste, especially when they're slow (I ended all of my non-Cryx opponent rounds with 8+ minutes on my clock, if that tells you anything). Just roll dice, shout numbers, and let them deal with the damage math. Often less confusing. Having something to move your models around on is pretty sweet, too. I popped for a Broken Egg tray because they looked sweet and I like giving money to nerdy carpenters, and it sure beats the hell out of having to unpack and repack your bag every round. Of course, a five dollar cookie tray works about as well, but I'm a fancy lad. Lastly, probably the most important lesson I learned is REMEMBER YOUR REINFORCEMENTS, because they can help out a whole hell of a lot. stabbington fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Mar 11, 2012 |
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stabbington posted:Took 3rd (surprised the hell out of me, I thought my breakers were terrible) and split best painted at card kingdom's 35 point tournament today, going 3-1. Ran the same Saeryn list I ran at the tournament last week, along with a T3 eVayl list which I only used in round one (hooray for no divide and conquer). Congrats! Did you win anything? Can you post your second list?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:No, it had the Worm I'm pretty sure. Now that Ive run this list a few times, its pretty damned good. The main, HUGE problem is lack of any sort of pathfinder for the bane thrall deathstar. Its a huge issue. I think Im going to cut the ripjaw down to a 4 pt node, and drop the pistol wraith (gently caress) for some other 2 pt solo. That opens up 2 points for Saxon Orrik.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Congrats! Did you win anything? Can you post your second list? He did, I'm the press ganger who ran that tourney.  It was crazy, we had 21 people show up, though we had to cap at 18 due to table space. We are used to getting 9-10 people for our tourneys so it sort of blew my mind a little.In the end we had maybe 8 people with 3 wins and 1 loss, so control points really do make a difference in a game. If I recall, the second place player had 5, and you had 4 across your games. A number of people ended up with 3 or 2. Also, someone needs to stop the local player who brings an eVayle list with 3 Angelii who has been absolutely wrecking face at our tourneys. (I think he's undefeated 4 tourneys in a row.)
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Pfhreak posted:He did, I'm the press ganger who ran that tourney. I'm glad; I was feeling bad about not attending otherwise. I want the events to succeed, but didn't want the stress of playing this weekend. Glad that it filled up (and then some!).
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Congrats! Did you win anything? Can you post your second list? Walked away with some store credit and a coin for my effort, which was pretty nice. Card Kingdom is not shy with their prize support, which rocks. My other list: Saeryn, Omen of Everblight (*5pts) * Raek (4pts) * Shredder (2pts) * Angelius (9pts) * Scythean (9pts) * Scythean (9pts) 1 Spell Martyr (1pts) Strider Deathstalker (2pts) Strider Deathstalker (2pts) The Forsaken (2pts) With Anyssa Ryvaal and a Warmonger Warchief for reinforcements. e: and despite how crazy it got when so many people showed up, it was easily the best-run tournament I've been to, Pfhreak and crew do a great job. stabbington fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Mar 11, 2012 |
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Okay, been a good 8 months since my last game of Warmachine/Hordes, so I'm going to make the 90 mile drive to the nearest FLGS this Wednesday (Texas). Bringing my Circle, but I'm rusty as hell about listbuilding and not sure if this list is retarded or not. Thinking about either: List 1 (35 Points) Krueger the Stormlord 5 Gorax 4 Warpwolf Stalker 10 Woldwarden 9 Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts)7 Shifting Stones 2 Tharn Ravagers (Leader and 3 Grunts)6 Tharn Ravager Chieftain 2 or List 2 (35 points) Krueger the Stormlord 5 Gorax 4 Warpwolf Stalker 10 Woldwarden 9 Druids of Orboros (Leader and 5 Grunts)7 Druid of Orboros Overseer 2 Shifting Stones 2 Stone keeper 1 Gallows Grove 1 Lord of the Feast 4 The real question I think is whether Ravagers+chieftain is worth the LotF, Gallows Grove, Overseer, and Stone Keeper.
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S.J. posted:I would think no. I like the 2nd list better. Alright, I'll keep the Ravagers back for 50 then.
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During the weekend, I assembled 16 Nyss hunters (mine and a friend's he still had laying around0. gently caress Nyss Hunters forever, thank god for pins.
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SpaceViking posted:Alright, I'll keep the Ravagers back for 50 then. What part of Texas SV?
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Someone that really knows Ret wanna give me a good breakdown of the new ' jacks? I understand that Hypnos is broken good, but what about the others? Also, is an Aspis worth it? I kinda like the model but it seems lackluster.
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I managed to convince my roommate to also pick up a battle box, so we had an unpainted Menoth vs Legion battle last night that I must say was really fun. I did end up losing but I now cant wait for my army order to arrive next week. Highlights include: His drat Carnevean just not going down! Picking up and tossing his little warbeasts. drat was that fun. Learning to advance, even just a little, to make sure that enemy models are in range before declairing attack. I missed with so many spells because of that .
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Excelsiortothemax posted:Learning to advance, even just a little, to make sure that enemy models are in range before declairing attack. I missed with so many spells because of that Are you talking about your Warcaster? If so, you can measure your control range at any time for any reason - so you can always check the range between your caster and a target in their control before deciding what you do. Measure it at the start of the turn to eyeball distances, then measure it again at the begin of the activation so you know how far you have to move. Measuring control gives you so much information during the game, and it is entirely legal (and intended) to use it that way.
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