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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Snowy posted:

What's a good budget cartridge to use with a Technics 1200 M3D w. stock headshell?

Audio Technica AT95E. Find it for 20-30 €.

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Sirkus
Jun 5, 2006
I just picked up a technics SL 1800 but it is missing a headshell and the tone arm is loose at the pivot point. Does anyone know a place to order a 9.5g headshell online (to Canada)? And can I just tighten the tone arm back into place? I couldn't find anything in the SL 1800 manual that dealt with that.

Whodat Smith-Jones
Apr 16, 2007

My name is Buck, and I'm here to fuck

Not an Anthem posted:

I think the clear solution is throw out your 10" records.. what the hell is good on a 10" besides my hawkwind bootlegs I never play anyway because they're 10"?

Yes damaged stylus can hurt your records, if you're a cheapo (like me) you can try sighting your needle and making sure its not obviously skewed in any direction but yeah its probably screwed up. That little tiny needle rides in grooves you can't even see and chances its blunted or not happy are high. In my reply I've just guilted myself into replacing my own stylus now because I know its actually a little abused...

Kid A is pretty good on a 10", and I haven't seen it on a 12". Not saying you can't get it on 12", but I'm not about to pay over $30 for something I already have when all it takes is a bit less carelessness on my part to make sure I don't screw something up.

I don't think the needle is skewed in any direction, and from my understanding you can't even really look at a stylus underneath a magnifying glass and know what you're looking at well enough to determine whether the stylus needs to be replaced. Before reading your response I read that a lot of the time the only way you can tell when your stylus is wearing out is because of distortion as you get into the grooves closer to the dead wax on a record. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't know that the stylus is as messed up as I was thinking it might've been. Everything still sounds alright to me.

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
I've got a JVC QL-A5 with the DT-Z1S cartridge, is it any good (guessing not great), I snooped around ebay and saw the Shure M97XE is pretty popular and not outrageously expensive, will it be an upgrade?

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
Can't find much info on that cartridge, but I had that table for a while (later upgraded to an A7) with an AT-110e and it was really great. You're right though, the M97Xe is pretty much a go-to cart for that price range and you probably won't regret it at all.

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!
I've recently come into some money ($1000 AUD) and I have decided to spend it on analog audio equipment. All I own so far is some speakers and a mid to budget receiver (no phono inputs).

So of course I have loads of questions, as I am only experienced with digital audio. What I want to do is digitize vinyls. And I don't want just good enough results, I want really good high fidelity recordings. Im hoping this is possible. I will be digitizing electronic vinyls from the early 2000's most of which are still in excellent condition.

So first and most importantly which turntable? I read the OP, but its horribly out of date. If I could pick up a Technics 1200 for anywhere near those prices I would do it in a heartbeat. But as you all probably know, it is no longer in production. Prices here in Australia start at about $550 for a used 1200. I would happily pay that even, if I knew it had only been used lightly. Unfortunately ebay is packed with a lot of highly suspicious tables. For example I thought I had found a good deal on a lovely looking 1210 then I looked up the cartridge installed and it was some lovely shure thing targetted at scratch DJ's. No way Im touching that with a ten foot pole.

The other option of course would be to get something other than 1200. The only other contenders I have looked at are from ProJect, Stanton and Rega. Theres just so much hype around the 1200 it makes the others seem sub par to me. So if you were in my position, living in Australia the land of overpriced turntables what would you do on a $700 budget? That only has to cover the turntable, not phono amp or cartridge. Second hand, or brand new? What model? Please remember I don't care about DJing or phizz factor. Only sound quality matters.

Also does anyone have rough guidelines for how much I need to spend on the other parts? Say I spend $500 on the turnatble, how much should go towards the cartridge? 20%? How about phono amp? 30%?

Thanks.

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

Ugh, I die a little inside any time someone says vinyls.

Are you sure these records haven't been released already digitally? That's a whole lot of money and time to spend on something you may be able to just download.

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
On Friday I came across a Dual 1228 table for $15, so I picked it up. The same night I saw a Sansui 881 for $30, so I picked that up this morning. I've been wanting something to occupy my time with this spring/summer so I plan to fully restore them both to pristine shape, or as close as I can get. I want to build a new wooden cabinet for the Dual as well. I am pretty excited because I hardly ever find decent gear for that kind of price. Anyway, here's my haul :)





Both are fully working, but need a very thorough cleaning.

Not an Anthem
Apr 28, 2003

I'm a fucking pain machine and if you even touch my fucking car I WILL FUCKING DESTROY YOU.
Dang those are beauts, congrats

Farts Domino
May 8, 2004

Dumbledore 64 posted:

On Friday I came across a Dual 1228 table for $15, so I picked it up. The same night I saw a Sansui 881 for $30, so I picked that up this morning. I've been wanting something to occupy my time with this spring/summer so I plan to fully restore them both to pristine shape, or as close as I can get. I want to build a new wooden cabinet for the Dual as well. I am pretty excited because I hardly ever find decent gear for that kind of price. Anyway, here's my haul :)





Both are fully working, but need a very thorough cleaning.
Hot drat, nice work!

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.
Are you playing the Stray Cat Strut?

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
I was!

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!

alg posted:

Ugh, I die a little inside any time someone says vinyls.

Are you sure these records haven't been released already digitally? That's a whole lot of money and time to spend on something you may be able to just download.
Whats the correct term for them? Surely not records? That seems very non specific. Anyway many of the labels they were released on are now defunct so legal download is never going to happen. Some have lovely rips using lame 2001 mp3 encoders and are full of crackles and hiss.
So I plan to make archival quality 24 bit flac recordings so that they may be enjoyed by future generations. A noble cause with a side serve of :filez:.

Anyone got any turntable suggestions? Or know of good forums for the discussion of digitizing vinyl?

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Manchild King posted:

Or know of good forums for the discussion of digitizing vinyl?

I don't know much about the subject but just earlier tonight I came across this vinyl ripping forum which might help:

http://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewforum.php?f=52&sid=817e0b2bd4bd1b2319131156ee9185ff

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
I've ripped a few dozen records and I found that even a budget system can produce decent results if your only intent is for general playback, not for analyzing harmonics or other audiophile what-have-you.

In my experience I found the #1 improvement is record cleanliness. I built myself a DIY wet vacuum cleaner loosely following this guide: http://www.teresaudio.com/haven/cleaner/cleaner.html. A wet vacuum clean is miles better than any dry method I've tried.

Next to that is the cartridge. Different carts will obviously produce more noise or distortion than others, as well as gliding over scratches easier without producing as prominent clicks and pops. I've heard the AT-440MLa is pretty good but I've never used it.

I actually think the table is the least of your worries. Anything solid and heavy will dampen rumble from the table's motor. There are actually a lot of good arguments for the 1200 as an audiophile table, and one of the rare times when the hype isn't misleading. If you get a 1200, you will probably have a table that will last you many more decades. To save money you can always get some other vintage table, but just make sure it's been serviced somewhat recently.

The phono stage will make a negligible effect on the final rip. Get something in the $50-70 range and you'll be just fine.

e: Oh, and the plural of vinyl is vinyl. :science:

BANME.sh fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 11, 2012

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer

Sirkus posted:

I just picked up a technics SL 1800 but it is missing a headshell and the tone arm is loose at the pivot point. Does anyone know a place to order a 9.5g headshell online (to Canada)? And can I just tighten the tone arm back into place? I couldn't find anything in the SL 1800 manual that dealt with that.

I've ordered from lpgear.com, some of their headshells say they're 9 grams. Is that close enough? http://www.lpgear.com/category/HEADSHELLS.html

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Make sure you clean your records with wood glue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gyvipBs6Vs

Somehow this seems like a jenkem-like hoax designed to make people ruin their vinyl. Looks like fun though.

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
I've tried wood glue and it does pick up all the big dust, but I doubt it can really seep down into the finest grooves. Most wet cleaning solutions call for some kind of surfactant (most common is dish soap) which eliminates the surface tension in the water allowing it to really get deep in there. Plus wood glue takes about 12-24 hours to fully dry... per side.

Owsla
Aug 31, 2003

Where are my bitches?
I've used all forms of cleaning including wet vac setups and wood glue hands down has the best, most dramatic results.

Also, if you put the glue on at the correct thickness you can get drying times down to around 3-4hrs per side. Not ideal for cleaning an entire collection (regular cleaning is still handled by a microfiber and some record cleaning spray) but for heavily soiled or 'hopeless' records, wood glue is the only show in town.

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer
I should probably give it another try :D

Paperweight
Jan 17, 2007
Am I doing this right?
I recorded some tracks to show off my Graham Slee phono preamp last month. This thing is so warm and musical.

http://soundcloud.com/you/tracks

You can just barely make out a tiny bit of static on the old records and it's almost nonexistant on the reissue NIN record. A well designed phono preamp can cut the leading edge of pops and ticks and give you all the music at the same time.

I think they turned out okay for being mp3 quality. Of course listening to the actual record still sounds better.

Paperweight fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Mar 11, 2012

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.

Dumbledore 64 posted:

I was!
:c00l:

Manchild King posted:

Whats the correct term for them? Surely not records?
It's records.

Manchild King posted:

Anyone got any turntable suggestions? Or know of good forums for the discussion of digitizing vinyl?
I'd hold out for a well priced 1200, there is just nothing like it. Especially for heavy ripping duty, the fully manual operation is perfectly suited for this, as is the perfect speed and quick start ups. Match a lightly used one with an M97xe and a ~$50 preamp and you will make very reasonable rips. By the way, I'm in Perth.

Owsla posted:

I've used all forms of cleaning including wet vac setups and wood glue hands down has the best, most dramatic results
Seconded, it's exceptionally effective.

***edit***
Here is a short rip that I did on my setup, it was a random record I grabbed from my Electronic section, it might not be your particular genre, but it gives a good example. I know for a fact that this record has been played many times before, not always on the best equipment. The only cleaning it recieved was a wipe with a lint free cloth and a carbon fibre brush.

Technics SL-1200 with Shure M97xE, Pro-Ject Phono Box II (Non-USB), Onboard soundcard.

BED30: Lemon 8 - Lose Control(Original Mix) Excerpt Wave File - 18Mb

Ron Burgundy fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Mar 11, 2012

Farts Domino
May 8, 2004

When ripping, your turntable, cartridge etc are important for eliminating extra noise, sure, but the audio interface on the computer colors the sound A LOT. If you have an audio setup that sounds like heaven to your ears, do not expect that to remain true when it's playing through your PC.

That said, I don't know for sure if it's the recording or the playback that affects the sound more. But if this is a dedicated audio-ripping setup then I would put a lot of research into your sound card.

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.
I have a mixing board between my preamp and computer with the output sent to a pair of Rokit5's. I was unable to tell the difference between the live feed and the playback on my sample.

Not an Anthem
Apr 28, 2003

I'm a fucking pain machine and if you even touch my fucking car I WILL FUCKING DESTROY YOU.
I don't clean my records. I'm too loving lazy. How do you have the time to listen to them if you're cleaning them? I have a lot of records :(

I mean, I buy records from everywhere under piles of poo poo and I can see they are dirty. If they're hosed I won't play them but once in a while I'll find a cool record with a wash of 2 decades of some hoarder's bile on it and rinse it in the sink keeping water away from the center label, but that's it.

Owsla
Aug 31, 2003

Where are my bitches?
Well I mean 95% of what I buy is either new or next to new, a quick spray and wipe and they're good. For the seriously dirty poo poo I make a project out of it I guess. I'll sit around all day listening to clean records while I clean dirty ones.

On the table right now, Miles Davis - Circle In The Round. Currently cleaning, a free copy of Morcheeba - Never An Easy Way :dance:

rockear
Oct 3, 2004

Slippery Tilde

Dumbledore 64 posted:

On Friday I came across a Dual 1228 table for $15, so I picked it up. The same night I saw a Sansui 881 for $30, so I picked that up this morning. I've been wanting something to occupy my time with this spring/summer so I plan to fully restore them both to pristine shape, or as close as I can get. I want to build a new wooden cabinet for the Dual as well. I am pretty excited because I hardly ever find decent gear for that kind of price. Anyway, here's my haul :)





Both are fully working, but need a very thorough cleaning.

That's a great score. I've got a Dual 1229 and my backup amp is a Sansui 221, the lower powered version of your 881. It sounds fantastic. Not the most pristine accurate amp, but it just sounds good.
If you intend to do the clean and lube on your Dual DIY style, I have a PDF guide that will walk you through it. It's for the 1229 but I'm sure the process is pretty similar.

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer

rockear posted:


If you intend to do the clean and lube on your Dual DIY style, I have a PDF guide that will walk you through it. It's for the 1229 but I'm sure the process is pretty similar.

That would be great. I already ordered a lube kit from Garage-A-Records

Ron Burgundy
Dec 24, 2005
This burrito is delicious, but it is filling.

Not an Anthem posted:

How do you have the time to listen to them if you're cleaning them? I have a lot of records :(

Owsla posted:

I'll sit around all day listening to clean records while I clean dirty ones.

Yeah, listening to one while cleaning another seemed like the logical conclusion to this one, no matter how many records you have. At 3500+ I've never really struggled with this quandary.

More pressing issues might be "gently caress, how will I ever move?"

rockear
Oct 3, 2004

Slippery Tilde

Dumbledore 64 posted:

That would be great. I already ordered a lube kit from Garage-A-Records

The owner's and service manuals at Vinyl Engine: http://www.vinylengine.com/library/dual/1228.shtml

The maintenance guide by Dave at Audiokarma. This is what I used to bring my 1229 back to life: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0mqd3IpUl5pS21XTm1BQlNRa2FBMWk4RGpDX2RNZw

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer

rockear posted:

The owner's and service manuals at Vinyl Engine: http://www.vinylengine.com/library/dual/1228.shtml

The maintenance guide by Dave at Audiokarma. This is what I used to bring my 1229 back to life: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0mqd3IpUl5pS21XTm1BQlNRa2FBMWk4RGpDX2RNZw

Thanks, hopefully I can roughly follow this guide for the 1228. Do you know this Dave guy's username at AK? Just in case I have some questions.

rockear
Oct 3, 2004

Slippery Tilde
I think it was this guy: http://mail.audiokarma.org/forums/member.php?u=60202

...but he hasn't posted over there in a long time. If you have any questions there are a lot of Dual experts over there that can help you out.

Sirkus
Jun 5, 2006

Dumbledore 64 posted:

In my experience I found the #1 improvement is record cleanliness. I built myself a DIY wet vacuum cleaner loosely following this guide: http://www.teresaudio.com/haven/cleaner/cleaner.html. A wet vacuum clean is miles better than any dry method I've tried.

What changes did you make?

BANME.sh
Jan 23, 2008

What is this??
Are you some kind of hypnotist??
Grimey Drawer

Sirkus posted:

What changes did you make?

Mine was just a lot less elegant. I originally had plans to dismantle a vacuum cleaner and mount the motor under the unit, but I gave up half way through and just used the vacuum as it was. Mine has no switches or anything fancy on it. It's just a platter mounted to a box. I made the crevice tool, though, and it's works really well.

Sirkus
Jun 5, 2006
Haha, he definitely leaves it up to you to figure out how to mount the vacuum and things.

This is going to be fun... just picked up a Yamaha CA-610 Amplifier & CT-610 Tuner for 25$. Some of the lights are burnt out but other then that everything works great, real "Natural Sound".

sc0tty
Jan 8, 2005

too kewell for school..
Does anyone have any tips for hunting down a vintage receiver in the UK? I've been keeping an eye on the usual Ebay/Gumtree spots, buts its something I'd much rather get out and hunt down in person. What are some physical shops that might stock used/second-hand hifi gear.

(I've moved over from Australia so I literally have no idea what shops, if any, carry second hand stuff)..

Retarted Pimple
Jun 2, 2002

Have you tried craigslist, that's where I've found my MCS & Pioneer receivers and KLH 17 speakers. Use a craigslist search like searchtempest.

Squibbles
Aug 24, 2000

Mwaha ha HA ha!
I just found a Sanyo 2050 receiver on craigslist (Vancouver) for $30. From the sparse information I can find on the internet about it it sounds like it's pretty good. 50w/ch and built like a tank. Apparently this one needs a little contact cleaner on the knobs (static when adjusting volume) and one or two lights burnt out.

This'll be my first classic receiver and I can't wait to try it out this weekend :)

Anyone know where to get a schematic/service manual for it?

Retarted Pimple
Jun 2, 2002

The only one I found was on ebay for $13.

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Sirkus
Jun 5, 2006
I can't seem to be able to hook my system up properly, hoping someone here can help!

List of equipment
1. Turntable
2. Casette Deck
3. Casette Deck
4. Reel to Reel
5. CD player
6. If I can somehow fit this one into the whole scheme of things, another turntable

Amp:
2225 Marantz with tape 1 in and out, tape 2 in and out, aux and phono.

Strange black box that will somehow tie all this together:
QED tape switching unit (2 way) ... the back reads- amplifier output and input, tape 2 input and output, tape 1 input and output

I used to have the turntable, cassette deck and cd player hooked up to the receiver all fine and dandy but with the addition of the reel to reel, a second casette deck and the second turntable I'm not sure how to use the QED. The second turntable is not necessary, I just would like to have it because I have a fully manual turntable and the second one is an automatic. Would be nice to play one when I am feeling more involved then the other.

I'm not sure how to connect the QED into the receiver either. I'm useless ha!

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