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Martytoof posted:Ugh, my 60 day vSphere trial ended and I barely made it through a few chapters of Mastering vSphere 5 thanks to some contract work I had to start.
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Most people running home labs are using the free version of ESXi, so there's no 60-day limit. The timer only applies for the paid features (vCenter and everything it enables, etc).
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madsushi posted:Most people running home labs are using the free version of ESXi, so there's no 60-day limit. The timer only applies for the paid features (vCenter and everything it enables, etc). I think he is using/wanting the features
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# ? Mar 12, 2012 19:13 |
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Yeah, I should have specified, I'm looking to get actual feature++ "experience". I'll try reinstalling with the existing keys, thanks! Shame I can't download vCSA though. If it comes down to it I'll just create a second account.
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It might not be your cup of tea but If you want to learn scripting/PowerCLI, you can script a datacenter rebuild whit shared storage adapters and what not. Once you set the script all you need to to is run it again to pick up where you left off. I might do a script like that and post it if anyone is interested, 3 hosts, 2 NAS, windows DC AD/NTP/DNS/gateway. Might save some people time who are learning but run into the 60 day limit
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Ok, so backing up a VSphere 5.0 enviroment, 2 ESXi servers, ~20 machines. Having to choose between Veeam, Commvault, VRanger (and symantic ahahaaha) I am leaning heavily towards Veeam but my manager has heard great things about Commvault and wants to go with them halp
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Alctel posted:Ok, so backing up a VSphere 5.0 enviroment, 2 ESXi servers, ~20 machines. If your environment is small, Veeam seems to work pretty well, but gets squirelly and terrible as things get bigger Do you already have Commvault in place? It's kind of overkill to backup 2 VMWare servers. Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 12, 2012 |
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Alctel posted:Ok, so backing up a VSphere 5.0 enviroment, 2 ESXi servers, ~20 machines.
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Definitely take Veeam for a drive before purchasing it.
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Alctel posted:Ok, so backing up a VSphere 5.0 enviroment, 2 ESXi servers, ~20 machines. We've got Veeam backing up ~140 VMs that are anywhere from 20 gigs up to 300 or so. The only time it's been problematic is when had some of the storage poo poo the bed in the middle of it trying to do a backup and left some snapshots in an inconsistent state. 20 minutes of cleanup later everything was good to go.
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Misogynist posted:Is there any reason you're not considering PHD Virtual? We're most likely switching over to them from Veeam in the next couple of weeks. (The stories I could tell you about Veeam.)
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evil_bunnY posted:I meant to ask you: what happened that made you go from "rargh IBM die in the fires of hell" one year ago to considering buying their stuff again? Mierdaan posted:Definitely take Veeam for a drive before purchasing it. My big beef with Veeam is that they got too big too fast, and their entire company largely seems to be a mismanaged, organically-grown, sprawling wreck where nobody can coordinate to get anything done. When you call and hit the button to speak with an operator, it directs you to HR for some reason. At least the woman managing support is really nice and gets things done, once you figure out how to escalate to her. (Nobody in support will actually escalate you when you ask them to, and you generally need to move through your sales rep to get any wheels turning.) For what it's worth, our backups finish in 20% of the time with PHD Virtual versus Veeam, and PHD Virtual's architecture is way easier to manage. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Mar 12, 2012 |
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And here our ESX guys are wanting to drop PHD because their support is apparently horrible as well. Fun!
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Fancy_Lad posted:And here our ESX guys are wanting to drop PHD because their support is apparently horrible as well. Fun! I'll put up with it if the product works. My experience with Veeam has been 2 months of fighting with this product just to get it to back up all our VMs halfway reliably. Now that it does, it takes 26:30:00 to back up 200 GB of nightly changes, which is precisely six times as long as PHD Virtual takes. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Mar 13, 2012 |
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Fancy_Lad posted:And here our ESX guys are wanting to drop PHD because their support is apparently horrible as well. Fun! Pretty sure the only backup application I've heard universally good things about over the years is...... rsync. If you need a more sophisticated solution than that, you're in for disappointment.
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Misogynist posted:The IBM stuff that we were having problems with was the Midrange Storage series (DS4800, DS5100) which is rebranded LSI with some IBM tweaks and parts fulfillment. On another subject: I'm trying to put together some hosts, and hitting an information wall: can I run a 8GB and a 4GB DIMM per channel (for 96GB totalon a 2socket box), or a 8GB and a 16GB DIMM per channel (for 192GB total) and still run them at 1.6ghz? Dell website says yes, but my rep checked with an Intel presales guy and he said 1.3ghz max? This is annoying because I'd rather not run all my hosts at 128GB (gently caress you VMware licensing).
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evil_bunnY posted:Urgh LSI. From my general knowledge of memory, I don't think you want to be mixing sizes in the channel, but not all pairs have to be equal.
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So I'm virtualizing an old MSSQL box, a 2005 era IBM X Series 3850 M2 with 64G of memory. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I should actually give it less resource than the old physical machine correct? *new servers are DL380G7's
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Start low and watch application performance is the general rule of thumb. One question is why it needed to be P2V'ed instead of re-implemented as a VM. Rhymenoserous posted:It's not P2V'd, started fresh. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Mar 13, 2012 |
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evil_bunnY posted:Start low and watch application performance is the general rule of thumb. It's not P2V'd, started fresh.
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's not P2V'd, started fresh. That's the best thing to do. Get rid of all the old crap that isn't needed and start with a clean properly setup VM. As for the resources, I do what evil_bunnY said. Start low and monitor it. I consistently have to argue with my boss here that our VMs do not need 8 cores and 32gb memory when they are using less than 10% of their current resources. Anyone ever come across a folder on a datastore that will not delete? Folder is empty. There is nothing else on that datastore, the drat folder just wont delete. I am going to blow it out anyway (and that whole storage device actually) but wanted to make sure there is nothing that I am missing that is somehow relying on this empty folder.
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Moey posted:Anyone ever come across a folder on a datastore that will not delete? Folder is empty. There is nothing else on that datastore, the drat folder just wont delete. I am going to blow it out anyway (and that whole storage device actually) but wanted to make sure there is nothing that I am missing that is somehow relying on this empty folder. One of your hosts is causing the problem, it thinks it has something in the folder, I've had this happen in the past and the only thing to clear it up was a host reboot. That was in ESX 4.1, I haven't run into this in 5.
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Rhymenoserous posted:It's not P2V'd, started fresh. Keep in mind what co-scheduling does to latency of underutilized SMP systems. Start with no more than two vCPUs unless you're positive you'll be consistently using four cores, or it will actually hurt your application response times.
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I had it once with a Nexenta datastore. Had to reboot the Nexenta to fix it.
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Rhymenoserous posted:One of your hosts is causing the problem, it thinks it has something in the folder, I've had this happen in the past and the only thing to clear it up was a host reboot. That's what I am thinking, our storage was/is very jacked up. Getting pretty close to having it all sorted out properly. I honestly just want to delete the datastore then drop the connection, then rebuild it from the storage, but am terrified to do that during production, even if nothing is running on that NAS unit.
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Alctel posted:Ok, so backing up a VSphere 5.0 enviroment, 2 ESXi servers, ~20 machines. PHD, Veeam, possibly Unitrends are also worth a look. Commvault is good poo poo, but as others have said it may (almost certainly is) be overkill for just a pair of hosts unless you're getting a bundle or something that makes it a good deal financially. Of course where it excels is that it supports pretty much anything/everything else whilst PHD and Veeam are almost entirely focussed on VMware. Unitrends is an interesting product IMO. Seems to get good feedback and a nice licensing model.
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Use vmfstools to examine any locks on the volume, break lock if necessary.
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evil_bunnY posted:On another subject: I'm trying to put together some hosts, and hitting an information wall: can I run a 8GB and a 4GB DIMM per channel (for 96GB totalon a 2socket box), or a 8GB and a 16GB DIMM per channel (for 192GB total) and still run them at 1.6ghz? Dell website says yes, but my rep checked with an Intel presales guy and he said 1.3ghz max?
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I haven't seen anything on Sandy Bridge downclocking memory when additional banks are populated like on Nehalem and Westmere, but do be aware that supported DDR3 memory speed ranges from 1066 MHz up to 1600 MHz depending on your CPU model. DDR3-1600 is only available on the 2637, 2643, 2667, and all of the eight-core models.
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My guess is that you would want to see what the chipset's specifications say about this stuff.
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Kachunkachunk posted:My guess is that you would want to see what the chipset's specifications say about this stuff.
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Yup, but was that since Nehalem, specifically? But I don't truly know, honestly. When I was speccing out a couple of Sandy Bridge-based workstations some time ago, the maximum supported memory allowance varied with the few chipsets offered. The options may have offered the same number of sockets and the same kinds of processors and RAM configurations, but they handled different amounts of it. I don't know if it was as simple as having enough slots or not... I doubt it based on earlier experiences from older chipsets. So it really could just be that simple. But possibly not. Really I figure it would not be entirely surprising if the chipset also had some/significant impact on these kinds of memory bank quirks. Or poo poo, I could really just be completely wrong. It's either going to be in the CPU or chipset spec, I'm pretty sure? Intel docs are pretty good, if long.
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Maneki Neko posted:If your environment is small, Veeam seems to work pretty well, but gets squirelly and terrible as things get bigger How big is 'bigger?' We probably have about 3-4 TB of data (most of it on 2 file servers). Agree on the commvault, but my manager wanted to look into it, he decided against it once he saw the cost Misogynist posted:Is there any reason you're not considering PHD Virtual? We're most likely switching over to them from Veeam in the next couple of weeks. (The stories I could tell you about Veeam.) Never even heard of PHD - what problems did you have with Veeam?
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Alctel posted:Never even heard of PHD Alctel posted:what problems did you have with Veeam? Veeam Support posted:That's great that the job is successful when backing up directly through the host. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this issue or if it's ok to close the ticket. When Veeam actually does, one in a hundred times, back up our 110 VM job correctly: Veeam posted:Elapsed Time: 26:34:26 Level 2 Veeam tech on the same set of backup issues (backup failures due to vCenter timeouts). When I was asked for the third time to restart management agents and re-run a 26-hour backup job by a tech who clearly didn't read my case notes and was stalling me until the following Monday, I replied that this was done. I got this reply: Veeam Support posted:Wow! Most of the support side of the company, from what I've seen of them, is staffed by passive-aggressive work-averse little shits, which I would be more than willing to tolerate if the product actually worked. I've never done business with such an unprofessional vendor before. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Mar 14, 2012 |
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Holy cow! I had no idea that's what people go through when working with Veeam.
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We just deployed Veeam about a month ago and it's not without its headaches, but support has been decent in general. Perhaps they've changed in the last month?Misogynist posted:Did any techs get fired over repeated passive-aggressive comments made in your last support case? Did the tech really get fired? It sounds like he should have.
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A VMware developer posted:I’ve spent the past few months on a prototype, one I’m proud to say we’re shipping as part of the Workstation Tech Preview. It’s currently called WSX (name may change in time), and it brings your VMs to your tablets, smart phones, and any PC or device with a modern browser. Want want want.
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Kachunkachunk posted:Holy cow! I had no idea that's what people go through when working with Veeam.
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Oh wow this VSP/VTSP, "Did you know virtualization can run two machines on one physical host?" "True or false virtualization can run Windows and Linux on the same host?" "True or false Virtualization can help improve up time and lower TCO?" Can't you all just take my VM certs and use those so I can skip this boredom, ~12 hrs of these videos and stuff I have to complete prior to getting Professional level partnership.
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