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I know there's at least one monthly or so industrial club here in Helsinki that's apparently pretty well-populated, even, but they only play club stuff I'm not interested in (y'know, all that hellektro/EBM/whatever poo poo). Also I'm not interested in dancing nor do I even look like I belong at an industrial club at all, so uhh. The only people I can listen to and talk about this kind of music with are like two of my friends and this thread 
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I always pictured you as fully into the scene with your Peter Spilles avatar there.
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Yea I don't dress the part either, but if KMFDM ever came back to town I'd totally get all S&Med out with my wife and go have a hardcore german freak night with her.
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Mind.in.a.Box's Revelations Club.Mixes came out today (in NA, few days ago in EU). Here is the teaser. That's pretty awesome that Ashbury Heights is still happening. Did he not have a contract with anyone, or did everything just get smoothed out, or what? I was sort of expecting he'd start a new project under a new name if he made more music.
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I constantly have a lot of guests and friends dropping in, gathering, partying at my place at any given day of the week (courtesy of my ultra-extroverted girlfriend whom I've been dating for 6 years). DJ duties usually fall on me. Yes, I'm capable of divining the mood and playing the kind of music people want. Every once in a while I play a bit of future-pop, and can usually get away with one song tossed in. By the second though, holy poo poo people react badly. I just don't get it. Amongst my friends I'm sort of known for introducing people to stuff they didn't know about but would like ... I've had a lot of success with Maps, Kyte, Ulrich Schnauss, & Tycho recently, but holy poo poo do people react badly to anything more futurepop/industrial. I really don't get it. Personally, I think Seabound should transcend. I don't expect Project Pitchfork to be palatable to most people, but poo poo, I feel like I'm all alone here. edit: there is literally one guy that reacts well, but he's a DJ for goth nights in Peterborough, Ontario. teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Mar 14, 2012 |
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Mar 14, 2012 06:33
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I'd bet EVERYBODY who continuously reads this thread knows your complaint all too well, teethgrinder. "Yeah? I'm really into alot of underground electro too! Ya know, like Deadmau5, Skrillex. Because I'm really into music with bass." It's a wonderful world.
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RizieN posted:Yea I don't dress the part either, but if KMFDM ever came back to town I'd totally get all S&Med out with my wife and go have a hardcore german freak night with her. All the KMFDM concerts I've been to have actually had a pretty diverse audience, style-wise. No other industrial band I've seen seemed to have such a colorful group come to see them.
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The Cleaner posted:Skrillex. CAT rear end now!!! posted:they only play club stuff I'm not interested in (y'know, all that hellektro/EBM/whatever poo poo). Noricae fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Mar 14, 2012 |
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Mar 14, 2012 15:12
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Shameless self-promo: I'm gonna be hitting the road with iVardensphere, WASTE, and ESA this summer, there's a FB page for interested parties.
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Twiin posted:Shameless self-promo: I'm gonna be hitting the road with iVardensphere, WASTE, and ESA this summer, there's a FB page for interested parties. First time I saw ESA was in 2005 - it was before his first album came out, but someone was handing out CDRs to people who looked like they were having fun. He played a 45 minute or so set, then abruptly stopped and said something like "Sorry, I've got no more songs" and walked offstage. Loved his stuff since then.
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Twiin posted:Shameless self-promo: I'm gonna be hitting the road with iVardensphere, WASTE, and ESA this summer, there's a FB page for interested parties. I can't get to facebook at all right now -- are you going to be in Denver?
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boo_radley posted:I can't get to facebook at all right now -- are you going to be in Denver? July 20! Although there is a non-zero chance that I might miss that date if we don't end up filling the two days before it.
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This discussion reminds of a story I heard from friends who used to hang out at the local gothic-industial club years ago. Apparently, some of the guys from My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult showed up after playing a show, then got kicked out for taking over the DJ booth and playing C&C Music Factory. Though they might have been drunk.Noricae posted:Great interview, Twiin, especially the Johnny Cash anecdote and the "I try really hard to make sure I’m not just listening to industrial music." The majority of fans in every niche genre across all fandom are like this, I guess, but it's pretty prominent with some music fans that don't care about influences and the history of whatever they're listening to (because it's not cool! :p). Great song and a drat entertaining video. But dude is literally sitting on a throne. He's a powerful and celebrated (male) authority figure. And no one is getting into the party at Castle Dracula unless they're dressed for the part. These are not the greatest virtues. Ivan Shitskin fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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Oh! I forgot about this Nov. 2010 NYTimes article: "The Hipster in the Mirror." It deals with urban hipster culture, not gothic subculture, but it has some good lessons:quote:Taste is not stable and peaceful, but a means of strategy and competition. Those superior in wealth use it to pretend they are superior in spirit. Groups closer in social class who yet draw their status from different sources use taste and its attainments to disdain one another and get a leg up. These conflicts for social dominance through culture are exactly what drive the dynamics within communities whose members are regarded as hipsters.
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I guess I'm just some backwoods Canadian beaver-fucker when I say that I had no idea industrial was ever a "scene" until recent years. WTF. I've listened to it alot longer... but always just considered it cool experimental/underground music that rejected the mainstream. The idea of hundreds of 18-year-olds sitting outside a club downtown in 1988, dressed in gas-masks and black hair spray waiting for _____ DJ to spin the newest hip industrial single to stomp-dance to kinda makes my brow wrinkle the same way as when you tell a small child that millions of years ago terrible thunder lizards walked the earth.
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The Cleaner posted:I guess I'm just some backwoods Canadian beaver-fucker when I say that I had no idea industrial was ever a "scene" until recent years. WTF. I've said it before, but y'all need to visit the big German goth festivals at some point. They'll blow your loving mind e: What I'm saying is that industrial (well, mostly its derivatives) is literally top-50 mainstream in Germany. It's pretty interesting. a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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Mar 15, 2012 09:31
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:I've said it before, but y'all need to visit the big German goth festivals at some point. They'll blow your loving mind What, like popular radio stations and so on? As an American it hardly seems possible.
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Pope Guilty posted:What, like popular radio stations and so on? As an American it hardly seems possible. Well, I might've expressed that a little too superlatively, but that's pretty much how it is. Of course, you don't see goths in full gear all the time on the street, not every big gothic band gets in the top 50 nor are industrial bands constantly the hottest things out there, but Germany is still a country where goth festivals attract literally tens of thousands of people (eg. Amphi Festival, Wave Gotik Treffen and M'era Luna get 15 000 - 25 000 visitors per festival day), where bands like Project Pitchfork's chart at #21 and Eisbrecher at #1, where every single Diary of Dreams album from the last decade has peaked in the top 100, where a band like Unheilig has their album break the record for the longest-ever stay as #1 in the charts, ever, and where stores like Saturn which I guess could be compared to Best Buy or something have better selections of industrial/goth CDs in their "alternative" section than the best specialist industrial shop in your country. e: One more addition here: Just look at the official German alternative charts (collected from 350 alternative DJs and dealers) for yourself: Week 11 Singles , Week 11 Albums I seriously don't know a single thing about the German radio, so I can't speak for that, but during my stays in Germany I have heard at least Eisbrecher and Unheilig being played on the radio. I've been there and it's p. crazy. e: You should go too because Germany is cool e2: For reference, I started studying German at the university last autumn. I love it (German, languages in general, linguistics, studying, the university, university life, the whole deal) a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:I've said it before, but y'all need to visit the big German goth festivals at some point. They'll blow your loving mind Can you recommend a good one for some American's willing to make the trip? Also any towns/places to stay/all the poo poo a foreigner might want to know before diving in head first? I'd loving love to go to some German goth/industrial festival. Even though I'm more on the hippie-festival side of the spectrum, industrial will always hold a special place in my heart. My wife speaks the most minimal of German, so... I guess that might help us get around a little bit, my last trip to Germany sucked cause I was really young (12) and just wanted to get to France to see all the boobs. So regardless I'd like to do a legitimate Euro-trip now that I'm older. RizieN fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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I'm from the US, and I did a trek to Leibzig Germany to go to the Wave Gotik Treffen. It was awesome. I speak lovely high school German, and had no issues getting around. Once I hit Leibzig, it was soo strange. There were ~10,000 people for the festival I heard, and I'd say 90% or more were dressed in goth from lolita -> future and everything between. It was incredible and so surreal. I'd recommend it to anyone that is interested in any of the goth/industrial scene. Currently they only have 40 bands confirmed. But last year had over 130 bands. They seem to be conservative about listing band confermations, I'm guessing they got burned and pissed people off in the past. I made this a big euro-trip, starting in Amsterdam then going south east to Czech and then back north to Leibzig.
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RizieN posted:My wife speaks the most minimal of German, so... I guess that might help us get around a little bit To be honest, at most of the big festivals, loads of people speak English because you've got goth/industrial types from all over Europe, all with their own crazy languages. Just because they're in Germany, doesn't mean it'll be mostly Germans there.
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Yea I figured we'd be fine with English, but if we go we're going to want to do poo poo off the beaten path and see other parts Germany that aren't exactly tourist spots. We generally go to the 'main sights' like one day, then just wander around aimlessly trying to find cool poo poo on our own and talking to locals. The festival would just be another good excuse to get on the other side of the Atlantic.
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Not technically a derail but this is an awesome totally industrial thing to do, if you want to be touristy in Germany. Literally industrial. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Industrial_Heritage_Trail So industrial that at least one of the sites has been used as the location for a Forms of Hands festival 
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Danger - Octopus! posted:To be honest, at most of the big festivals, loads of people speak English because you've got goth/industrial types from all over Europe, all with their own crazy languages. Just because they're in Germany, doesn't mean it'll be mostly Germans there. Yes. From my experience, people will just respond in English if you try talking to them in poo poo-German.
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Apparently, at the big European festivals, you can tell where a lot of people are from just by how they dress, since different kinds of goth/alternative clothes are popular in different countries. One of my friends was uncannily good at this. He'd point out a group of people and say where he thought they came from, then we'd stand near them until we could hear them talking and confirm he was right.
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Aufzug Taube! posted:Because there seems to be more focus on total aesthetic unity. I want to emphasize that. And take this Blutengel video. Also, man, Club Dracula requires a nice sports car too - I forgot about that. My twelve year old Corolla isn't going to cut it at all  It's not even black.Danger - Octopus! posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Industrial_Heritage_Trail Twiin posted:Shameless self-promo: I'm gonna be hitting the road with iVardensphere, WASTE, and ESA this summer, there's a FB page for interested parties.
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After having Bryan from Velvet Acid Christ as a facebook friend for months, I am completely convinced he is a 15-year-old in disguise. My god, is he whiny. Today he posted: "Do not post other bands music on my timeline please." And earlier: "the vac fb only has 151 fans, this place hates vac." I love VAC and Toxic Coma but 
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New live album from Skinny Puppy. +: It's golden age Puppy, with no "Pedafly" or "Pro-Test" to muck up the mix. -: It's a live album. +: With Marshall behind the boards, it will probably sound pretty tasty. -: It's a live album. multiple e: awesome tagging on my part.
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Secks posted:After having Bryan from Velvet Acid Christ as a facebook friend for months, I am completely convinced he is a 15-year-old in disguise. My god, is he whiny.
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hatelull posted:New live album from Skinny Puppy. I will buy this because I am already 30 albums deep, but not too excited.  edit: You know what's an awesome Skuppy live album? The Fractal Zoom bootleg. It sounds like the whole thing was sped up to fit it on a tape or something, so you get to here really fast versions of Smothered Hope and Assimilate and the such which are pretty rad. a_gelatinous_cube fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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"Assimilate" live on the In Solvent See tour was pretty loving righteous, so my curiosity is piqued for that alone. I'm happy that it's a lot of solid tracks that are (mostly) not already featured as a live track (not counting boots, although Fractal Zoom is probably the best unofficial early live document). I'll pick it up but yeah, live albums are never my favorite thing.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Apparently, at the big European festivals, you can tell where a lot of people are from just by how they dress, since different kinds of goth/alternative clothes are popular in different countries. One of my friends was uncannily good at this. He'd point out a group of people and say where he thought they came from, then we'd stand near them until we could hear them talking and confirm he was right. This would make a fantastic website.
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Secks posted:After having Bryan from Velvet Acid Christ as a facebook friend for months, I am completely convinced he is a 15-year-old in disguise. My god, is he whiny. Check out Gearslutz sometime, he'll tell you exactly why VST resonance/midi jitter/everything is the worst thing ever/sucks, and then rages for a few pages, deletes his posts, rages some more..
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RizieN posted:Can you recommend a good one for some American's willing to make the trip? Also any towns/places to stay/all the poo poo a foreigner might want to know before diving in head first? I'd loving love to go to some German goth/industrial festival. Even though I'm more on the hippie-festival side of the spectrum, industrial will always hold a special place in my heart. My wife speaks the most minimal of German, so... I guess that might help us get around a little bit, my last trip to Germany sucked cause I was really young (12) and just wanted to get to France to see all the boobs. So regardless I'd like to do a legitimate Euro-trip now that I'm older. Well, the biggest ones will probably get you the most bang for your buck if you'll only want to check one out 1. M'era Luna (August, Hildesheim) 2. Wave Gotik Treffen (May, Leipzig) 3. Amphi Festival (July, Cologne) Of these three I've only been to Amphi this far (plus Zita Rock in Berlin). The other cities (although quite big) are a bit harder to get to than Cologne directly from Finland, but I don't think that should necessarily limit you, since you'll probably be hanging out for quite a bit longer in Europe if you're making the trip anyway. Keeping that in mind, you could probably consider checking out more than just one big festival while you're at it, as those I've mentioned definitely aren't the only ones. Off the top of my head I can name Zita Rock (June, Berlin), Nordstern Festival (July, Hamburg) and Summer Darkness (July, Utrecht, Holland). I'm sure there's even more, but I don't think there's a comprehensive list anywhere. I guess a good tactic would be to see where your favorite artists are performing. If you want more detailed information about traveling in Germany/Europe, the friendly goons at The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask / Tell > Tourism & Travel will help you. As a European myself I can't really tell what kinds of things Americans should know. In general, however, I can say that Germans are very friendly and speak English pretty well, especially the younger people. Of course, this goes for any country you're visiting, but try to learn at least some basic expressions! People will ALWAYS appreciate it if you show some interest in their language. Of the cities I've visited (Berlin, Hamburg, Düsseldorf, Cologne, Frankfurt (very briefly)) I'd actually say that Hamburg is my favorite nowadays. It's the second biggest city in Germany but isn't quite as bloated as Berlin, and while Berlin is awesome and probably has some of the best culture life in the entire world (seriously there's something for EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME), Hamburg just feels a little more... German. It's also more visually pleasing! Also thanks to everyone who chimed in
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I'm currently reviewing Relapse the upcoming album by Ministry. So far, it's pretty interesting, although Al Jourgensen comes off as insane in some of his diatribes; Ghouldiggers, for instance, the first song, is about how he (apparently) got hosed by his managers. He even mentions how Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison and Amy Winehouse are "the lucky ones"... as if managers made them overdose or, in Cobain's case, bite the end of a shotgun. In terms of music, it's a pretty powerful Industrial record, similar to what they did in their earlier works (harder than, e.g. Psalm 69), with good melodies (although, obviously, repetitive, as it's supposed to be in Industrial metal). Anybody else has listened to this album?
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Wait, I thought The Last Sucker was supposed to be their last sendoff? Yea, I know bands say that all the time, but I thought it was a great way to end it. Did they bring the drum machine back for this new one? I honestly couldn't care less about Ministry's metal period, but I'm pretty excited if this is more like The Last Sucker. Is Al going to support this with a tour?
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:Wait, I thought The Last Sucker was supposed to be their last sendoff? Yea, I know bands say that all the time, but I thought it was a great way to end it. Did they bring the drum machine back for this new one? I honestly couldn't care less about Ministry's metal period, but I'm pretty excited if this is more like The Last Sucker. Is Al going to support this with a tour? Yes, they're going to tour Europe now (I'll see them here in NL in July) and afterwards they'll probably tour the US. I'm trying to get an interview with him, but since he's known to be erratic I don't know how likely this is.
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You guys might remember I posted about working on some music of my own a while back. Well, I just released my first official thing! It's still not very industrial, but I suppose you can pick up some of those influences in there. I reckon that some people here might like it. I certainly do! You can download it for free on Bandcamp! 1. Ääniaalto 2. Maapallo (Sparsely Populated Version) 3. Ä.ä..ään.i 4. Aalto This is a different release than the one I posted that demo version of earlier - the artwork (which is going to be amazing) is still in the works and it'll be released "at some point". Soon, I hope. I'm also already working on the next EP because, hey, I like making music. I also made a cover version of the goddamn awesome theme of the legendary German Krimi show Ein Fall für zwei / A Case for Two (original) which you can listen to on my SoundCloud. It's dumb as hell e: I hid the track because I'm currently in the process of asking the legendary Mr. Klaus Doldinger himself if I can actually put it up! He initially answered yes, but wanted to know how exactly I'd release it.e: Also finally got around to listening to Bone Music. Twiin I think you're my new favorite band. No rear end-kissing implied, this poo poo's just right up my alley e2: Holy poo poo a The Prisoner sample a cyborg mug fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Mar 19, 2012 |
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CAT rear end now!!! posted:e: Also finally got around to listening to Bone Music. Twiin I think you're my new favorite band. No rear end-kissing implied, this poo poo's just right up my alley Awww thanks man! That means a lot. I'm looking forward to checking your thing out!
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For those of you in London: Laibach show ‘Monumental Retro-avant-guarde’ at Tate Modern – Turbine Hall on April 14th is now SOLD OUT! A possible additional date on April 15th is being discussed. I would kill to be there.
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