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SirPhoebos posted:EDIT2: Sometimes I feel that the EU is one step away from embracing Terry Goodkind levels of absurdity, where the heroes go out and massacre Evil Pacifists armed "only with their hatred of Moral Certainty" "This was no tauntaun; it was evil incarnate." In all seriousness, I think I've read that there isn't really a "light side of the Force" so much as it's "the Force and its dark side", which I suppose is what leads to Lucas's explanation that the destruction of the Sith would bring balance to the Force.
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The whole dark side/light side thing loses meaning when both sides slaughter each other by the millions.
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muscles like this? posted:Really, REALLY weird news, Topher Grace (yes THAT Topher Grace) has edited together the PT into one 85 minute movie. I am actually quite mad that we'll never see it, because I bet it would beat out what ever Jorge did.
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Mar 9, 2012 21:27
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Ringo Star Get posted:I am actually quite mad that we'll never see it, because I bet it would beat out what ever Jorge did. Kind of makes me think of the Machete order post from last week. Sticking that bad boy between episodes 5 and 6 might actually kick rear end.
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Reading about George's latest canon-clarifications about the Force or whatever else he decrees fills me with a sort of bemused pity as he single-handedly destroys his own creation, piece by piece. What I'm really looking forward to is, I don't know, maybe 40 years after George kicks the bucket, someone out there in Hollywood is going to be like, "Let's reboot Star Wars". And then they will. I'm genuinely curious what it's going to look like. Whether they'll stick to George's "vision" or if they'll tear it down and rebuild it into something better.
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So does anyone happen to know of some books similar in tone to the Rogue Squadron series? Obviously off in their own little series or whatever.
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Casimir Radon posted:So does anyone happen to know of some books similar in tone to the Rogue Squadron series? Obviously off in their own little series or whatever. There are a lot of trilogies that are basically standalones that might fit the sort of tone you're looking for - the Han Solo ones, Lando, maybe even Coruscant Nights (although I only read the first one of that) but the only other "side-series" that comes to mind is the Traviss Clone Saga which I do not and never will endorse. On the other hand, I, Jedi and the Stackpole/Allston NJO books are basically continuations of the Rogue/Wraith Squadron series.
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Rhjamiz posted:Reading about George's latest canon-clarifications about the Force or whatever else he decrees fills me with a sort of bemused pity as he single-handedly destroys his own creation, piece by piece. I'm really hoping that the series continues Star Trek-style after Lucas' death, with a potential new trilogy being the Deep Space Nine of Star Wars. (In that Gene Roddenberry would have hated DS9, but it is objectively the best Star Trek series.)
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Casimir Radon posted:So does anyone happen to know of some books similar in tone to the Rogue Squadron series? Obviously off in their own little series or whatever. I feel that The Truce At Bakura is somewhat close in tone. Obviously others will disagree with me on that, but I like them both. Possibly The New Rebellion as well, although that's probably a less likely prospect. Those are both stand-alone books, though, and no side-series come to mind that haven't been mentioned already. I feel that LOTF could have been like this, if they'd asked Aaron Allston to write the whole series himself. He probably would have done a better job of keeping the whole war story angle on track. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 11, 2012 |
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Mar 11, 2012 20:49
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I'm really familiar with all of the EU, unfortunately. What I meant was other fun sci-fi space pilot stuff.
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Mar 11, 2012 21:41
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Casimir Radon posted:I'm really familiar with all of the EU, unfortunately. What I meant was other fun sci-fi space pilot stuff. Semi-serious answer: http://www.amazon.com/Astropilots-Omni-No-Laura-Mixon/dp/0590402773/ I read that book in the early or mid-90s around the same time as Rogue Squadron and really liked it. I don't know how well it holds up, but probably at least as well as the Star Wars EU.
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Metal Loaf posted:I feel that The Truce At Bakura is somewhat close in tone. Obviously others will disagree with me on that, but I like them both. Possibly The New Rebellion as well, although that's probably a less likely prospect. Those are both stand-alone books, though, and no side-series come to mind that haven't been mentioned already. I felt like TaB was pretty lovely, but then again, the first EU books I read where Zahn, so nearly everything else was a letdown. Alliston's Rogue Squadron books were an exception (Stackpole's were not). I will say I rather enjoy, more or less, the NJO books post-"Star by Star", but that's mostly because they actually start winning. What it boils down to, I think, is that if I want a crapsack world with grey-grey morality, where any main character could be the next to die and the ones who win end up turning bad anyways, I'll read R. Scott Bakker. If I want the story that's entertaining for a few hours, has an internal plot with a couple of overarching plot elements, has people acting in comparatively sane ways and the good guys win at the end without long-term characters dying, I'll pick up a Star Wars book.
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I'd forgotten that Allston was releasing Mercy Kill this year, which is good. But it's plot has something to do with one of FOTJ's stupid subplots, which is bad. Oh, Apocalypse comes out tomorrow. I finally get to see how Troy Denning is going to gently caress this up. EDIT:Forgot which lovely series the Moff subplot was in.  Also, the host of this "thing" Del Ray puts out called this a "golden age" for the EU, right before his little chat with Denning 
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Mar 12, 2012 07:48
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OriginalPseudonym posted:If I want the story that's entertaining for a few hours, has an internal plot with a couple of overarching plot elements, has people acting in comparatively sane ways and the good guys win at the end without long-term characters dying, I'll pick up a Star Wars book. Not any of them from the past decade though, I assume.
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arioch posted:Not any of them from the past decade though, I assume. In a nutshell. I've been keeping up on the Fate of the Jedi series, but they're I'll be surprised if they get re-read at all. On the opposite side of the spectrum, I've had to replace my Wraith Squadron X-Wing books more than once as a result of them just falling apart.
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Truce at Bakura isn't bad relative to all the other crap out there right now. Sure it was absurd at the time, but now in hindsight it looks pretty good. The only truly offensive thing I can remember are the silly bad guys and their eeeeeeevil plan to suck the souls out of everyone. Also the book introduced the idea of Alliance escort carriers.
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That plan is so nonsensical that it's ... I don't know. Exactly the other way around.
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I don't know. The thing that sticks in my mind, for some reason, is how immature Luke came off as. But yes, the grain of salt I'll append to this is that my uncle was the Star Wars fan, and the only 4 books he had were TaB and the first Zahn trilogy, and this was years and years ago. So my mind may be exacerbating the difference between the two authors.
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Mar 12, 2012 13:52
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The difference is huge. Large swaths of Truce at Bakura are completely ridiculous. Only a small part of the premise doesn't suck--that the Rebellion picked off Empire supporting planets during the chaos after the Emperor's death by being first responders to local crises.
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Mar 12, 2012 14:13
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Truce at Bakura was all about showing how Luke can get space pussy so easily and also how everything he touches dies.
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Mar 12, 2012 17:15
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OriginalPseudonym posted:I felt like TaB was pretty lovely, but then again, the first EU books I read where Zahn, so nearly everything else was a letdown. Alliston's Rogue Squadron books were an exception (Stackpole's were not). I guess my problem is that the majority of the Star Wars books I've read, I read when I was about fourteen or fifteen, so I wasn't terribly discerning as regards the quality of the plot. Nostalgia's tricking me.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Truce at Bakura was all about showing how Luke can get space pussy so easily and also how everything he touches dies. And he also gets people killed ten years later in the Corellian trilogy! 
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movax posted:And he also gets people killed ten years later in the Corellian trilogy! Luke really does get absolutely poo poo on by EU authors, doesn't he.
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OriginalPseudonym posted:Luke really does get absolutely poo poo on by EU authors, doesn't he. Worst things he ever did was whine about power converters and kiss his sister. Poor Luke. Nobody should have a distant future relation called Cade.
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Hey, at least he got laid in Black Fleet Crisis, right?  I think the only person that doesn't get poo poo on is R2-D2 and Palpatine, both of whom are too loving cool for that.
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VaultAggie posted:Hey, at least he got laid in Black Fleet Crisis, right? R2-D2 is literally George's self insert character. It's the only explanation for Episode 2.
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OriginalPseudonym posted:R2-D2 is literally George's self insert character. It's the only explanation for Episode 2. No. Don't RUIN THIS.
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According to Lucas, aren't the movies literally supposed to be R2-D2 showing an account of galactic history to some space shaman a hundred years after Luke and Leia and Han die? edit: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Whills Chairman Capone fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Mar 13, 2012 |
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Mar 13, 2012 03:28
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Chairman Capone posted:According to Lucas, aren't the movies literally supposed to be R2-D2 showing an account of galactic history to some space shaman a hundred years after Luke and Leia and Han die? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyxmD_UAK4 Also, how the hell does R2 know about all this poo poo that happened when he wasn't around?
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Locutus of Bald posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyxmD_UAK4 Insert. Inseerrrrt!
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Chairman Capone posted:According to Lucas, aren't the movies literally supposed to be R2-D2 showing an account of galactic history to some space shaman a hundred years after Luke and Leia and Han die? The Shaman wanted to know why all these loving star wars keep happening. He wasn't impressed with the answer.
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OriginalPseudonym posted:R2-D2 is literally George's self insert character. It's the only explanation for Episode 2.  Star Wars and George Lucas are truly gifts that keep on giving.
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Mar 13, 2012 13:24
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"Beep beep I'm a droid" doesn't have quite the same ring.
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Bit late to the EU book chat but Luke Skywalker and the Shadows Of Mindor is a good read. Luke is pretty badass in the book.
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Well I just plowed my way through Apocalypse. It was a decent wrapup to the FOTJ storyline, but it felt really lacking in terms of any kind of long term ramifications. Other than the Jedi leaving Coruscant for real it really feels like everything is back to the status quo.
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So I took my kids to Toys R Us the other day and saw this (apologies for bad cell phone pic): Signs of a Darth Maul/Obi-Wan buddy cop film?
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Derek Dominoe posted:So I took my kids to Toys R Us the other day and saw this (apologies for bad cell phone pic): It already exists! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Ux2cmHCL8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Ux2cmHCL8 Okay not really but if you imagine that Will Farrel was Obi-Wan and Marky Mark as Darth Maul it gets funnier.
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I'm about halfway through Apocalypse. I'm sure I'll be bashing it later, but there is some glee to be found when a bunch of the lovely plot elements introduced between LOTF and FOTJ start getting killed off.
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I made this photoshop mashup poster for a GBS thread, and figured I'd post it here too for you Star Wars geeks. It's a mock one-sheet for an Episode I from an alternate 1999 where Russel Crowe is Obi-Wan, Heath Ledger (RIP) is Anakin, Uncle Owen is a Jedi, and Rose Byrne is Padme.
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That's really well done! Young Heath Ledger would have been an awesome Anakin. All-Australian Star Wars!  Owen as a Jedi is an idea I've always liked as well. In the ROTJ novelization (maybe early script drafts too, can't remember) Obi-Wan reveals that Owen was his brother. I would have liked to see Lucas run with that idea in the prequels. Would have made the decision to place Luke with Owen more natural. draize_train fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 14, 2012 |
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