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King of Solomon posted:Incidentally, while I understand why it happened, her death is one of the few things I really think Hussie should have done differently (in that I think, 'hubris, etc.' be damned, she should have lived and continued to grow as a person/character. Killing her off was something of a missed opportunity.) There's a difference between what's right from a moral standpoint and what's right from a literary standpoint. I think the point of view that someone deserves to die for their hubris (even potentially disastrous hubris) is pretty awful, but it's hard to find fault with the writing of her arc. Watching her manage to grow up would probably have made for a nice feel-good story, but that sort of thing is like literary junk food--tasty, but not filling or nutritious.
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Gabriel Pope posted:There's a difference between what's right from a moral standpoint and what's right from a literary standpoint. I think the point of view that someone deserves to die for their hubris (even potentially disastrous hubris) is pretty awful, but it's hard to find fault with the writing of her arc. Watching her manage to grow up would probably have made for a nice feel-good story, but that sort of thing is like literary junk food--tasty, but not filling or nutritious. I dunno, I liked her death. By the time she reached it, she had all but grasped why her friends hated her and died doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.
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Gabriel Pope posted:There's a difference between what's right from a moral standpoint and what's right from a literary standpoint. I think the point of view that someone deserves to die for their hubris (even potentially disastrous hubris) is pretty awful, but it's hard to find fault with the writing of her arc. Watching her manage to grow up would probably have made for a nice feel-good story, but that sort of thing is like literary junk food--tasty, but not filling or nutritious. It would be a better direction for the story in my opinion. Hussie was very successfully set up a character who, through her hubris, did some stupid poo poo and wound up dying for it, and it makes sense. However, in this particular case, and this particular story, I don't think that was the best direction to take that character. This is a story where there are large build-ups that are regularly subverted for comedy reasons (with a good example being Kanaya nutting Gamzee off the ledge they were on.) Killing the character is generally how you end that kind of arc, and indeed how Hussie chose to handle it, but I just don't agree that it was the best choice. Your metaphor at the end is good, and I generally agree, but I don't think Hussie's method of handling it was particularly satisfying, either. Maybe that's just my personal bias, I don't know. EDIT: Hahah, I just realized that first paragraph was me saying the same thing three times in a row (just in different ways.) 
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King of Solomon posted:It would be a better direction for the story in my opinion. Hussie was very successfully set up a character who, through her hubris, did some stupid poo poo and wound up dying for it, and it makes sense. However, in this particular case, and this particular story, I don't think that was the best direction to take that character. This is a story where there are large build-ups that are regularly subverted for comedy reasons (with a good example being Kanaya nutting Gamzee off the ledge they were on.) Killing the character is generally how you end that kind of arc, and indeed how Hussie chose to handle it, but I just don't agree that it was the best choice. I was joking when I typed that but then I realised I would unironically love it if something like that happened, but I can't help but feel it's a vain hope. 
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Rose posted:From what I understand, everything already has gone wrong before the game even started, in many different ways than ours did. Nooooooooooo poo poo, really? I hadn't noticed, what with the killer agents, players split across time, lack of prototyping towers, the loving Condescension...EDIT: Yep, that's what I thought. No prototyping, no towers, no battlefield evolution, no new universe. Currently, anyway. Color Printer fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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Mar 16, 2012 01:48
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So I guess this is (part of) what UU's been reading! I liked the acknowledgment of the fact that Dave was just sort of ranting at himself all the way across the room from Rose and Kanaya instead of actually properly talking to them.
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So, I wonder what a properly attuned Hero of Void could do in a Void session, now.
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Mar 16, 2012 01:52
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In that last page, there's already film forming on the surface of the coffee. They drink that.
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Bongo Bill posted:In that last page, there's already film forming on the surface of the coffee. Well at least we know what Gamzee's doing
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"Be sure it makes it to the table before it accumulates that strange unctuous film on the surface" I don't think that's coffee, usually coffee doesn't congeal after several minutes in open air what the hell are they drinking e: beat to the punch again
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King of Solomon posted:So, I wonder what a properly attuned Hero of Void could do in a Void session, now. Yeah, that seems like it ought to fit together somehow. Notice how Dave says "these alt universe players" rather than something more specific. That would seem to suggest that if they've figured out who the players are, he hasn't heard. Of course we don't know where on the asteroid journey's timeline Rose's brief run-in with Roxy fits, so she might have only just figured it out, or it might not have happened yet. ...or it might just be Dave showing off how hard he doesn't care, again.
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Oh yeah, they probably don't know that Jade is bringing the battlefield. Well maybe Rose does and it'll all be part of the plan...
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I think they're going to replace the infertile-but-okay core of skaia from this session with the fertile-but-doomed core from the original session and end up with a non-doomed, fertile skaia. So kind of like how they swap the nucleus of a random cell with a reproductive cell's when they're cloning something, except with universes instead of sheep.
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Somehow I thought that the coffee would actually be Tavros blood, and I was actually kind of right! Also why is Terezi's blood in the coffee?
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Did Kanaya turn everyone into a Dracula? Because that's not normal  Edit: Phones gently caress up everything Edit: jesus loving christ I am getting worked up over this app Ominous Jazz fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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Saradiart posted:Somehow I thought that the coffee would actually be Tavros blood, and I was actually kind of right! Wait, what? Checking this again. ...I really, really hope we're reading the wrong thing into that...
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I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be refraction, not blood.
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be refraction, not blood. Refracted perfectly into the blood color of Eridan, Tavros, Nepeta, and Terezi?
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Saradiart posted:Refracted perfectly into the blood color of Eridan, Tavros, Nepeta, and Terezi? coincidence
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It's really bad coffee with a weird oily film on it. Cold coffee reheated or something. Delicious.
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Bongo Bill posted:I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be refraction, not blood. If that was refraction, it would mean they were drinking gasoline. Coffee doesn't refract light like that. And I was just wondering earlier today if we'd ever see the bit about Kanaya biting Terezi back during the Trollpocalypse last year become important. Looks like we might now. pandaK posted:coincidence Come on, there is no such thing as "coincidence" in Homestuck.
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Saradiart posted:Refracted perfectly into the blood color of Eridan, Tavros, Nepeta, and Terezi?
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^ Uh, isn't that Sollux color, not Nepeta? I think you guys are reading in to this too much.President Ark posted:I think they're going to replace the infertile-but-okay core of skaia from this session with the fertile-but-doomed core from the original session and end up with a non-doomed, fertile skaia. Yes, this is my bet, too. The only problem is that the original battlefield produced The Tumor, so I'm not sure if it actually can produce anything else now that The Tumor has been removed.
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I think it's supposed to be Vriska's colour, not Terezi's.
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The blue looks more like Vriska's color than Terezi's. Which would make more sense anyway, what with Vriska being dead and Terezi not.
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Well Manicured Man posted:If that was refraction, it would mean they were drinking gasoline. Coffee doesn't refract light like that. Gasoline isn't the only thing that refracts. They were just talking about the "strange unctuous film" that this lovely coffee develops if you leave it sitting too long.
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Could it be a Spider's blood?
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Cleretic posted:But she has gone missing.  I guess that death is kind of temporary but still.
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Elysiume posted:Terezi isn't even dead. Dialoglog posted:DAVE: anyone seen terezi around
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Saradiart posted:Refracted perfectly into the blood color of Eridan, Tavros, Nepeta, and Terezi? Looks more like a distorted reflection of Rose's god-tier outfit (same colours, same order), and some as-yet-undetermined purple thing.
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TOAST7312 posted:Kanaya killed Terezi and drained her blood so that she could be resurrected as a spooky vampire troll.
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I don't drink enough coffee to be certain, but I know tea sometimes does exactly this if you leave it standing around for too long. I mean, this could very well mean something beyond "this is exceedingly lovely coffee" but I wouldn't just take it as given that the coffee is being spiked with all the dead trolls' blood for some reason. (I suppose that if they don't make it to the new session because they keep putting each other in their beverages until there is nothing left then that would explain why UU didn't mention them.)
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 The last two colors are Sollux's and Vriska's respectively. e: I probably shouldn't have used MSpaint due to that terrible artifacting, but I was lazy. Sorry! e2: vvvv Homestuck is pretty macabre (http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005020) Saradiart fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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Mar 16, 2012 02:35
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This seems liked it would be a bit too macabre for Homestuck.
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Nate RFB posted:This seems liked it would be a bit too macabre for Homestuck. K8ll me comes to mind vvvvvvvvv That still leaves the question of where it gets the blood from and that always leads back to the dead thirteen year olds Ominous Jazz fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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Maybe the machine synthesises drinks for people it detects on the asteroid, so it makes coffee for all the non-vampires but then Kanaya is a vampire so it gins up some blood in the coffee. This would be grim.
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K8LL M8 was really intense and tragic, it's a different sort of hosed up from "hey you've been drinking dead alien blood for 3 years and you didn't even know it".
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Gamzee is missing and has all the corpses of the trolls with those blood colours. Gamzee is putting blood in the coffee machine.
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Nate RFB posted:K8LL M8 was really intense and tragic, it's a different sort of hosed up from "hey you've been drinking dead alien blood for 3 years and you didn't even know it". On the plus side, drinking troll blood gives you
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