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david carmichael posted:I think we can all agree that Mango Ryan is in lead as far as best name goes. Iowa State has an unseeded guy at 184 named Boaz Beard.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc This is loving awesome. Ryan Hall has been a dick to me in the past but usually he seems like a pretty cool dude.
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Arona alert http://instagr.am/p/ILgaQtMDnF/
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I'm pretty sure that's an imposter, from the fact that he's wearing a gi top.
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Only an hour and a half until they clear the mats for the NCAA D-1 Wrestling Championships!! Here's some behind the scenes stuff from last year's finals Here's the only non-school specific highlight video I could find from last year. It isn't very good. So here is an overall highlights video from the last few wrestling seasons Thoguh fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Mar 15, 2012 |
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Scott Trade Arena is all set up and people are filling in. It's a sellout every year so the place will be packed shortly 
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Iceman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc Ryan seems like a very cool dude, and this confirms it. lovely to hear that he's been a dick to you.
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ESPN3 just went live with the wrestling championships!
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Mardragon posted:Can't watch it at work sadly. My boss wrestled in college, so I have a little leeway. We even have a pool going.
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Neurosis posted:*I'm pretty sure that's an imposter, from the fact that he's wearing a top. Also that Ryan Hall video was really cool. I love watching grapplers stay super calm in real life "fights".
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The Sphinxster posted:Can anyone recommend a BJJ studio in the Valley of the Sun (Phoenix, AZ)? What part of Phoenix do you live in?
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It's actually Chandler. I guess I put Phoenix in there in case someone knew of a place by reputation.
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I've been training about 6 years at the same place. I love the guys I train with at Strong Heart BJJ, but we're in North Phoenix (a bit of a drive). The site is http://strongheartacademy.com. You could also check out gdjiujitsu.com for Gustavo Dantes' place. He just recently split from AZ Combat Sports and is located in Tempe. The grappling community here is pretty chill, no huge rivalries or anything. I know there are some decent places in Chandler/Gilbert too, but I don't know of any off the top of my head.
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This four-camera setup is kind of distracting, but at least you can catch as many matches as possible this way. hahaha Miller just hit an oklahoma stampede on a dude and pinned him instantly.
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Subparr posted:I've been training about 6 years at the same place. I love the guys I train with at Strong Heart BJJ, but we're in North Phoenix (a bit of a drive). The site is http://strongheartacademy.com. You could also check out gdjiujitsu.com for Gustavo Dantes' place. He just recently split from AZ Combat Sports and is located in Tempe. The grappling community here is pretty chill, no huge rivalries or anything. I know there are some decent places in Chandler/Gilbert too, but I don't know of any off the top of my head. I appreciate you and you are right-- I'm almost certainly not driving to North Phoenix for any reason. Maybe I should, tho. I don't know poo poo about Phoenix.
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Iceman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc "TRY ME! TRY ME!" *british double, mount* 
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Great wrestling so far. 149 was the only weight yet with a bunch of upsets. The action gets even better tonight as you start to have more top 10-12 guys going against each other.
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:"TRY ME! TRY ME!" "I love how there are two people standing over me. I love that" Buddy, your friend is only there to offer to step on your throat so the other guy can dismount without you flailing.
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Maybe it's just me but I think that video actually highlights perfectly the problem with BJJ and 'self defense'. Doing a double leg and getting a mount and holding the guy there is great and all. Then eventually throwing the guy outside and choking him out, sounds good. However, let's look at this a bit closer. I think it is more telling that as accomplished as he is, he still ends up in position where he is more or less ambushed. (Where he is sitting and his opponent is standing.) Ryan was able to recover from this and gets the double leg. But what if his opponent just didn't give a gently caress and attacked him from the get go? (I know I know, hypotheticals are so terrible...) Anyway he takes the guy down, ends up in half guard, passes to mount, stays there for a bit, then for some reason let him up again? Instead of you know, staying in mount and waiting till the cops get there and letting the police escort him out. His entire group does nothing the majority of the time on the video, from beginning to end. Which is pretty normal in any kind of emergency situations. Groups of people stop, do nothing, nervous laughter, etc... Beautiful takedown into the door at 4:43, an excellent way to get sued. (I really don't think he is an imminent threat when you know when things seem to have calmed down slightly and he is you talking with his arms down. I suspect there is more to the beginning of this video, but as it is I'm not impressed. It ends with everyone on a happy note but life is rarely so nice.
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Senor P. posted:Maybe it's just me but I think that video actually highlights perfectly the problem with BJJ and 'self defense'. I don't agree with this and I think you're misreading the situation. First I don't think that at any point Ryan was in danger of being "ambushed" not only is the guy in front of him, but Ryan has enough situational awareness that he takes the guy down as soon as he feels like he's getting too agressive. I think Ryan didn't stand up because he(rightly) felt confident seated and (probably) didn't want to stand up which would have likely escalated the situation. Maybe Ryan shouldn't have let him up the first time, but if that was a mistake it wasn't a mistake of grappling. There's nothing in BJJ that teaches you to let your opponent up from mount. I don't think his group was scared or anything either. I think you're confusing the reaction of a group of trained martial artists confident in there ability to handle the situation with that of a regular dude who might be scared shitless. Nobody at that table seemed particularly nervous to me. You might be right about the takedown at 4:43 but it's kind of hard to see what exactly is going on, and even if Ryan shouldn't have taken the other guy down that's a failure in judgement, not jiu jitsu. While this situation wasn't handled perfectly(after Ryan mounts the guy the first time he probably should have kept mount until the cops came) it's a real stretch to paint this as anything other than a successful use of jiu jitsu in a self defense context.
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dokomoy posted:I don't agree with this and I think you're misreading the situation. Remaining seated while someone is towering over you to posture for a better attack is bad for business. Skill level is not an equalizer in being ambushed. (In the sense your brain has to respond to what to the ambusher is doing first, then you have to physically respond. And in that time period they could injure your quite severely, possibly leading to death.) And while it is possible to 'catch up' it is extremely hard to do so. I agree to your other points. dokomoy posted:Maybe Ryan shouldn't have let him up the first time, but if that was a mistake it wasn't a mistake of grappling. There's nothing in BJJ that teaches you to let your opponent up from mount. [/quote="dokomoy"] My bad, I did not get the feeling there were scared either. However they were not acting. While I can understand the thought of not wanting to make the situation worse, their actions (or lack of) reminded me a lot of how people act in emergency situations even when they are trained to respond. (Many people know CPR/basic first aid, and many people still freeze as a group when responding to an emergency. Actual trained professionals, EMTs, firefighters, etc know their poo poo and can act quite quickly.) dokomoy posted:You might be right about the takedown at 4:43 but it's kind of hard to see what exactly is going on, and even if Ryan shouldn't have taken the other guy down that's a failure in judgement, not jiu jitsu. I guess this comes down to what you feel should be taught in jiujitsu. Again out of the places I've been to that claim to be teaching self defense (This is really all martial arts in general and not just BJJ.) Few actually go over use of force, local laws, how grappling with weapons differs from empty handed, etc. And this something I personally feel should be done. Senor P. fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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I dont think you understand what the word ambush means
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If he stood up he would immediately be making a threat display to the other guy, which would make violence certain. It would no longer be self defense, it would be Ryan Hall willingly partaking in a fight, which would be terrible for him legally.
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Everyone at that table was wearing either 50/50 ju jitsu school shirts or some other schools shirt. I don't think any of them felt they were in any danger at all ever given the level of backup they had on hand.
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Session 3 of NCAAs has started. You can watch the streams on ESPN3 or on TV on ESPNU. It's the quarterfinals so lots of good wrestling this morning.
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I watched up until the 165ers yesterday, then had to take a long phone call, and I came back right into the heavyweights. That was, uh, a strong contrast.
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The way Novachkov was sitting was... I felt it for him.
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So many pins in the first two rounds from top seeds, really dominant stuff, I'm recording all the wrestling today so I can watch it when I get home.
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fatherdog posted:I watched up until the 165ers yesterday, then had to take a long phone call, and I came back right into the heavyweights. That was, uh, a strong contrast. Yeah, 100 lbs worth of contrast in most cases.
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Jamal Parks goes down. Huge win for Minnesota in the team points. Edit- Also this Accordino kid from Hofstra kicking rear end. Edit 2- woo Lehigh's Hatchett takes down a #3 seed to go into the semi's! Also Asper from Maryland beats the #2 seed, Asper was ranked 3 all year. Lehigh vs maryland grudge match in the semi's 11 vs 7 seed I believe. Mardragon fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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Rematch of the National Finals in the bottom half of the semis at 184, and the first number 1 seed Joe Leblanc loses to Trottman from App. State, Trottman put on a takedown clinic.
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Iceman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc That looks awesome as poo poo but I have a nagging feeling that this is somehow staged.
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Senor P. posted:Swagger, unfortunately you're wrong. Fair enough, I too am not a medical goon, just passing on what I have read about MRSA/staph. Very true that you could be a carrier asymptomatically. I should have also mentioned what you said, in that the main cleaner of bacteria etc. is the mechanical action of washing. If you're just spritzing water and soap onto your hand, then running it under water, its not cleaning your hands. The mechanical action of rubbing is actually doing the majority of the work. But definitely the main thing to get out of this is just stay clean, hygiene in grappling isn't about "eww gross", its about being healthy. Don't roll with people who are visibly dirty, and don't take crap from people who claim you're being a pussy or whatever.
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I don't think Ryan handled that very well, and here's why: It's a question of the safety of others. Ryan's sitting at a table with many notable grapplers, and he's confident in his ability- this guy clearly does not pose a threat to him, whether the guy's towering over him talking poo poo or not. Ryan is never in danger here, and he knows it. The question that should be on Ryan's mind is if the guy is going to hurt anyone else. The open hand slap to the friend was a warning sign, but I didn't see anything to justify tackling, mounting, throwing, or choking the guy. IMO you at least wait for the first punch to be thrown before you step in. Ryan should have simply stayed ready to defend himself/others and talked to the guy until he was forced to act. Looks to me like the guy got under his skin and caused him to act prematurely. CivilDisobedience fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 16, 2012 |
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fatherdog posted:I watched up until the 165ers yesterday, then had to take a long phone call, and I came back right into the heavyweights. That was, uh, a strong contrast. There is a reason it is called the 'Heavyweight Waltz'. Nobody is willing to risk getting under the other guy.
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Mardragon posted:Jamal Parks goes down. Huge win for Minnesota in the team points. Sorenson, the #3 seed, somehow.managed to sprain the crap out of his ankle while warming up on an exercise bike before the match.
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The whole thing seems weird to me, and Ryan hall seems like the type to do a viral video. Maybe it's really but it just doesn't feel right
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Iceman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJX9QnrZtfc For what it's worth, friends are claiming he was protecting an injured friend with the choke : From http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/391280/Ryan-Hall-safely-subdues-unhinged-attacker-on-video/ Description from witness From: Irishspirit Posted: 20 minutes ago Member Since: 1/3/08 From someone who was there, Ryan was actually worried the drunk might have a knife on him, which is why he never took his eyes off him, even while everyone else seemed to be taking the guy lightly. Ryan was staying calm so the guy didn't take him as threatening, in an attempt to diffuse the situation. He moved when he did because the guy reached back as if going for a knife. After Ryan mounted him, he realized the drunk didn't have one though and decided to give the guy another chance. Maybe he should have held him down, but the guy's buddy was calm and the drunk was calming down, so it seemed to be the right thing to do. Lesson learned I guess, don't be too nice a guy. Ryan waited the whole time to give the guy the benefit of the doubt because he was clearly unhinged, and because Ryan is not one to start a fight in a group that included 2 women, a small child, one old dude (TPK), only one other healthy guy, and one guy who had just had hip surgery and would've been no help at all other than probably injuring himself if he so much as moved too fast. A group sure, but not one that is ready to back Ryan up in a street fight. Ryan moved to grab the drunk the second time to pull him outside because the person he stepped towards was the friend who had just had hip surgery and had only been walking without the use of crutches for a few days. Had the drunk guy even so much as pushed him, that friend could have been very badly injured. Ryan wasn't trying to get him outside to fight him, but rather trying to get him away from the individuals who couldn't protect themselves with his dignity still intact. Ryan's goal was to diffuse the situation without anyone getting injured intentionally or accidentally. Isn't that the real skill of a street fight? p.s. Ryan didn't realize this because he was 100% focused on the guy, but the cops were called early on. One of the employees had already called them. This individual had already harassed another table before moving to ours. After the cops got there, they told us that he had also been kicked out of a bar for starting a fight earlier.
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