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If the last three updates aren't overshadowing any potential discomfort you might feel with massive hilarity, your sense of humor is probably broken. Please, see a doctor.
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Mar 18, 2012 04:51
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Midnight Raider posted:It's not actually that difficult of a concept to wrap one's head around, it's just the Troll-ese and quadrant talk combined sort of make most readers go cross-eyed. Karkat's somewhat clinical and overwrought explanation didn't help. If someone reading this comic can't handle this kind of basic weird Troll romance stuff, I don't know how the hell they got this far with all the weird time and plot malarky that goes on.
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Mar 18, 2012 04:53
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Any chance Karkat is proposing this explicitly to cause Dave to run away cursing?
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Mar 18, 2012 05:03
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Mystic Mongol posted:Any chance Karkat is proposing this explicitly to cause Dave to run away cursing? He's not that subtle.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:04
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Mystic Mongol posted:Any chance Karkat is proposing this explicitly to cause Dave to run away cursing? That seems emotionally competent, Karkat isn't, no. Seems like that's pretty much impossible. Karkat has officially lost his poo poo, and he no longer has the distance of Trollian or the like to shield him for the vast apathy black hole that is Dave's regard for him, or the impending death of everyone by Jack to distract the trolls from how tired they are of his poo poo. The total self-destruction of his ego should be glorious to watch.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:07
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TheRagamuffin posted:Dave says what we're all thinking. I'm lapping this poo poo up like milk at a cat-roleplaying contest.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:11
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JT Jag posted:It isn't hard to figure out the concept, the issue is that the concept kinda quickly leads to... potential gay stuff. Which isn't even a thing for trolls, but I think Dave might be even less of a homosexual than John. Eh, it was an actual triangle that would be the case. Karkat is just proposing two alternating lines: Karkat-  -Terezi- -Daveand Karkat- -Terezi-?-DaveHe doesn't care what Dave does, otherwise.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:17
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JT Jag posted:It isn't hard to figure out the concept, the issue is that the concept kinda quickly leads to... potential gay stuff. Which isn't even a thing for trolls, but I think Dave might be even less of a homosexual than John. Nope, all Strilondes are homoflexible. Mystic Mongol posted:Any chance Karkat is proposing this explicitly to cause Dave to run away cursing? Erasure fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Mar 18, 2012 |
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Mar 18, 2012 05:20
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I really have no idea what's going on, but it's hilarious. I would greatly appreciate an explanation though. Really though, it's Karkat flipping out, Rose with a ridiculous smile on her face, and Dave just being completely  and that's good enough for me.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:27
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RedMagus posted:I really have no idea what's going on, but it's hilarious. I would greatly appreciate an explanation though. Bobulus explained it best a few posts up.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:33
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RedMagus posted:I really have no idea what's going on, but it's hilarious. I would greatly appreciate an explanation though. Not sure how detailed an explanation you want here, but... So trolls, apparently, have four 'quadrants' of attraction, that correspond to the four card suits. is normal human love is sorta like best bros, plus keeping each other in check, since trolls are prone to flipping the gently caress out. is sorta like a hate so powerful that it draws two people together. Kind of like an arch-nemesis that you can't bear to kill, because the fight feels so right? I'm not super clear on this one. I think it's sorta like mediating between two people in a relationship, making sure it doesn't tip too far in either direction (fall in love / kill each other).Apparently Trolls believe it's possible to be in up to all four relationships at the same time. Karkat is saying that he tends to go back and forth between and Terezi. He's suggesting a schedule in which, when Karkat and Terezi are , Dave can be with Terezi, and when Karkat and Terezi are , Dave stays out of the picture, or fights with Terezi.Dave, understandably, wants nothing to do with any of this. And now I feel a bit dirty, having written so many words about a fictional alien race's love life. 
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Mar 18, 2012 05:38
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Bobulus posted:Not sure how detailed an explanation you want here, but... Nothing you actually wrote should make you feel skeeved. Laughing at culture clash and awkward teenage romance is not inherently creepy unless you're for some reason projecting something on to it or, for some strange reason, sexualizing it. It's just teenagers being maladjusted dopes. It's funny.
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Mar 18, 2012 05:47
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Bobulus posted:
While this is what I think makes more sense (at least as much as the quadrants/Trolls/Homestuck can make sense), what's stated is that the relationship is designed to stop two trolls who hate each other from entering a relationship. Like Vriska first treated Tavros in sort of an way, but Kanaya kept intervening and made it into a , so Vriska had to change tactics to (also Tavros is incapable of hate).
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Mar 18, 2012 06:05
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I'm not sure if Karkat is right about ever being with Terezi. From what I understand, blackrom stuff is a lot more intense than just picking on someone for having nubby horns and such. I just think that if Terezi ever really had any black feeling for Karkat it would have been much less subdued. He just doesn't understand this because he hates himself so much he just assumed Terezi did too.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:07
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Ok, I was completely over-analyzing it. Thanks for the info!
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Mar 18, 2012 06:08
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Bobulus posted:Not sure how detailed an explanation you want here, but... is the troll equivalent of family. You're in with them for the long haul and you're partly responsible for their actions.It should be mentioned that Huss was probably aware of the ancient greek constructs of love, which are just as elaborate and complicated. It's cool, because our modern society deeply simplifies love into the idea of "true love," which is a completely bullshit term that causes us all a lot of distress. is something that I'm not aware has a name in modern critical theories, but I think it's something that our culture is becoming increasingly aware of (Kate Beaton's Nemesis, Mountain Goat's Alpha Couple, Venture Bro's Monarch, Death Note's Kira and L, and what I can only assume is going on in the BBC Sherlock reboot.) It's not a coincidence that pretty much every rivalry in modern lit is yaoi fodder for fangirls, I think it's something our culture as a whole is increasingly interested in. is kind of an awkward construct I think? Mediation doesn't really make sense in a society where people are so eager to seek rivalries in the first place. Of course, finding alternatives for is kind of hard, because the remaining really distinct types of love are Agape and Ludus, which aren't love that are actually directed at any specific person, Mania, which is articulated in the relationship that Karkat was just talking about, and Pragma, which is probably the best choice because it's devoid of any real emotions.ugh, somebody please crucify me for talking about this. snucks fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Mar 18, 2012 |
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Mar 18, 2012 06:08
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Mazerunner posted:While this is what I think makes more sense (at least as much as the quadrants/Trolls/Homestuck can make sense), what's stated is that the I think is more meant to prevent blackrom in general. The way I read the explanations in the fiction is that since Trolls are violent and friend/enemy is the same word, then two people going all on each other becomes more likely. And infidelity in general can lead to some... bad situations. For an alien race of bloodthirsty conquerors, if the primary emotion involved is hatred, I think a rainbow-hued bloodbath may ensue.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:12
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Hey its better than all tumblring out and squeeing unintelligibly. If someone can find a way to avatarize Rose stealing the book I will pledge myself for the MSPA avatar crew. Kind of an awkward angle and framing though.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:15
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Maybe Rose reckons she can find a way to apply this to her own potential romantic dilemma (i.e. find a way to vacillate John and Kanaya between and ) Sorry, sorry.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:18
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Why would she need to? John's troll crush has died.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:19
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Also, three years will have passed by the time they see each other again.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:23
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Ominous Jazz posted:Well he is fourteen, which is obviously the most shameful year. Dane Cook's entire routine is based around screaming and shouting about stuff. Of course Karkat likes him.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:36
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Let's face it, only exists to complete the playing cards analogy.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:39
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That guy is suggesting Rose bounce between the Karkat Shipping Diagram with John and her Sapphic eyebrow wiggling with Kanaya, and then relegate the off-parner to auspicism.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:42
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Prison Warden posted:I think This page confirms what you just said. There's also this page which shows that perhaps a clubs relationship can stabilize people who keep switching between hearts and spade with each other, thus allowing them to pursue those two quadrants elsewhere. What amazes me is that the super-confusing romance novel that Karkat explained only involved half of the quadrants. I wonder what romance novels are like where characters find love in all four quadrants.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:45
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Walliard posted:Let's face it, The presence of an entire class of 'mediators' in romantic relationships is both logical and functional because of two facts: Trolls are incredibly loving stupid about romance, and trolls that don't manage their romances properly are murdered when the man with the pail comes. They have 2 genetic pairings a troll, and one platonic relationship, but like any complicated sentient being their emotions aren't binary. It's not BEEP BOOP LOVE HATE LIKE BEEP BOOP, it's a continuum. So like can feel like love, and intense love can boarder on hate, and so on and so on. In humans, this is just life. In trolls, this can screw up their very important need to fill pails and not be brutally slaughtered. Hence the need for someone to check people's poo poo and make sure their relationships are working for them. Moirallegiance is about keeping you grounded on a personal level, while auspistice is about keeping you grounded on a romantic level.
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Mar 18, 2012 06:53
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QueerPope posted:I wonder what romance novels are like where characters find love in all four quadrants. A Mobius Double-Quadrant 8-drangle.  The most unfounded & stable of all the troll relationshi-THIS IS STUPID.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:04
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QueerPope posted:This page confirms what you just said. It's probably super boring, Hallmark channel stuff by their standards. Everyone has a club and a diamond, everyone's placated in proper measure, nobody untowards gets eviscerated, etc.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:04
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The entire system of troll romance feels like it was designed by some malignant, omnipotent entity to be frustrating enough to create the most violent culture imaginable. Oh, wait.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:14
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Bobulus, I blame you for this. At least we all agree that this was a brilliant update that is unlikely to be topped for two, maybe three weeks, or maybe whenever Dirk confesses to Jake.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:36
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DrakePegasus posted:The entire system of troll romance feels like it was designed by some malignant, omnipotent entity to be frustrating enough to create the most violent culture imaginable. Yeah it was created by Andrew Hussie.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:38
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Bobulus, I blame you for this. Followed immediately by Jane confessing to Jake. Luckily by this time, they are in contact with the Trolls and Karkat has the perfect solution. Cryophage fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Mar 18, 2012 |
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Mar 18, 2012 07:46
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In the midst of all this troll romance talk, the Gamer Dater ads seem to be getting even weirder.
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Mar 18, 2012 07:57
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Cryophage posted:Followed immediately by Jane confessing to Jake. Followed immediately by Roxy and Jane's realization of just that an "ecto-sibling" is.
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Mar 18, 2012 09:10
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Hi all, I just caught up recently after starting a few weeks ago. I enjoyed Homestuck right away with the gamey stuff and the CS references, but I think the end of Act 3 was the first thing to really blow me away. I literally said "holy poo poo" out loud. Of course it only gets more epic from there. I'm looking at getting a Homestuck avatar too, but I haven't settled on anything yet. Most of the best Dave images are already taken, for example. I think reading things through archive-binge style probably gives a different perspective. Things that might have seemed like long-winded distractions in realtime, like the Midnight Crew intermission or Hivebent, aren't so bad when read all at once (though those two at least did seem quite long even to me). Anyway, I don't think people should feel the need to apologize or include "(No homo)"-esque disclaimers when discussing stuff like troll romance. It's an important aspect of the story and the character drama. It's not like people are posting their erotic fanfiction. This is fun, it shows how much the popularity of Homestuck has blown up in the last year: https://www.google.com/trends/?q=homestuck,+homestar+runner&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1 (older-school Homest* included for comparison). Finally, it's amazing how much my opinion of Vriska has improved considering I was at "major loathing" at one point. Still, it's hard to forgive her entirely for how she treated Tavros (not to mention Sollux/Aradia (not to mention being a mass murderer, although I guess that's not quite as bad for trolls as it is for us)). ShardPhoenix fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Mar 18, 2012 |
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Mar 18, 2012 09:21
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Cthulhuchan posted:Followed immediately by Roxy and Jane's realization of just that an "ecto-sibling" is. Shouldn't matter, as Rose just explained the Alpha kids are the same ones created by John and thus not siblings but rather clones of themselves.
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Mar 18, 2012 10:22
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So more like offspring, sort of.
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Mar 18, 2012 10:26
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Oh wait, that's right. Never mind.
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Mar 18, 2012 10:54
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ShardPhoenix posted:(not to mention being a mass murderer, although I guess that's not quite as bad for trolls as it is for us) I don't count the mass murder against her, it was either feed those other trolls to her lusus or get eaten herself. Hard to hold someone accountable for their actions when they effectively have a gun to their head. As for the other stuff, she was in the wrong there, but there are strong mitigating factors such as Troll societal and moral structures and the aforementioned hosed-up(even by troll standards) childhood. It's a miracle she wasn't a complete monster after all the hosed-up social conditioning she went through, IMO.
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Mar 18, 2012 11:04
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I don't count the mass murder against her, it was either feed those other trolls to her lusus or get eaten herself. Hard to hold someone accountable for their actions when they effectively have a gun to their head. As for the other stuff, she was in the wrong there, but there are strong mitigating factors such as Troll societal and moral structures and the aforementioned hosed-up(even by troll standards) childhood. It's a miracle she wasn't a complete monster after all the hosed-up social conditioning she went through, IMO.  .
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