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The MSJ posted:Wouldn't be the first grieving widow a Bioware protagonist romance. There was Jaheira in Baldur's Gate 2. I think it's a Bioware standard for there to be some possible romance character who's a widower. Carth, Sky...
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Mar 19, 2012 13:32
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M_Sinistrari posted:I think it's a Bioware standard for there to be some possible romance character who's a widower. Carth, Sky... I honestly don't understand it. I don't mind the "damaged character is healed by interaction with the protagonist" thing, even though it's hacky, but what on Earth is romantically appealing about freshly grieving widowers? Why is that a thing that recurs to such a degree that it feels like someone at Bioware's fetish? I say this liking Cortez. It's just the profusion of romance-able characters using basically the same weird hook in their games that baffles me.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:36
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Am I retarded, how do you get your guns up to level 10 in single player? Is it not possible? Is it a NG+ feature? I couldn't get anything above 5. I feel like I missed a triggering event or something.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:36
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Here is Stovetop posted:Am I retarded, how do you get your guns up to level 10 in single player? Is it not possible? Is it a NG+ feature? I couldn't get anything above 5. I feel like I missed a triggering event or something. NG+.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:37
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Dan Didio posted:That is an insanely arbitrary distinction to make. To be fair, this is way more difficult to do with a physical medium, which is why it's definitely done less. It's much more likely for a retcon in a future product than the writer to literally take the books off the shelves and add some pages in. For a game, they can just slip it in without you noticing. Though, how do we distinguish works in progress from completed works?
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Mar 19, 2012 13:42
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I've started my Vanguard Insanity run and it's ridiculous. Just got through Mars and the first fight was over before James could finish questioning why Cerberus was there. Also, bringing up the power wheel mid-Nova gave me Shepard with the default  (with a healthy mix of  ) just staring into the middle distance in the middle of the usual "Yeeaaauuurrrgh!"
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Mar 19, 2012 13:44
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Android Blues posted:I honestly don't understand it. I don't mind the "damaged character is healed by interaction with the protagonist" thing, even though it's hacky, but what on Earth is romantically appealing about freshly grieving widowers? Why is that a thing that recurs to such a degree that it feels like someone at Bioware's fetish? Cortez actually isn't too bad - you can help him get over his dead husband without going down a romance path and you can use all the charm/paragon options on him as a male Shepard and it won't begin a romance unless you specifically initiate it at purgatory on the citadel after the Cerberus attack Plus even femshep gets to have some meaningful character arc with cortez and help him deal in a platonic way that doesn't require a magic relationship to fix it. It's not at all like thane where the only way to help him deal with his dead wife is through ~romance~ Also seriously this game gives you like 3 conversation choices in a row to back out of hitting on him. It's like a nonstop parade of 'no homo' dialogue to make sure you don't accidentally hit on that - it's ridiculous. I don't see why people are all like 'ew I don't want to accidentally hit on him,' Also Jaheria is the worst of the bioware widow romances.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:51
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I'm thinking this is the first ME game I won't replay. The side missions are so grating to me since: 1. I feel like the use of a guide is necessary to complete them since you can obtain quests before they are completable 2. It's hard to tell when I've completed missions. Once I finish a side-quest, I have to go read the quest text again to figure out if I've picked up the thing I thought I just recovered or if it's actually related to some other quest 3. The ending I hate to sound like "this game should be more like WoW" but, with the number of side missions necessary to receive the "good" ending, they could have taken some notes on how other games deal with side quest completions. Just some sort of indicator in the Journal would have been a small detail that went a long way.
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Mar 19, 2012 13:53
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Dan Didio posted:NG+. Thanks that makes me feel only slightly less retarded.
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Mar 19, 2012 14:08
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tadashi posted:1. I feel like the use of a guide is necessary to complete them since you can obtain quests before they are completable You don't need a guide to complete all the missions at all. I completed all side quest in this game the first time by playing in the same way I play any other game where I expect to complete as much as possible: doing everything and talking to everyone I could before moving the main story forward. Only annoying thing for me regarding that was that you couldn't tell which clusters have nothing you can salvage. The second one was also never an issue for me, it's pretty obvious you picked the main objective thing by just listening to what Cortez/EDI/your companions say, really. And every time I completed a mission missing a tiny side quest thing in it (happened one or two times), I jut bought it cheaply in the Spectre shop later. If anything, I thought completing everything in this game was pretty trivial compared to most other RPGs/action RPGs I played. First time I played the Witcher I missed a bunch of stuff.
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Mar 19, 2012 14:14
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tadashi posted:I'm thinking this is the first ME game I won't replay. The side missions are so grating to me since: Still, if that sort of thing puts you off, and you don't care about the possible endings anyway, you could consider ignoring all the secondary/tertiary stuff and just completing the meat of the game, up to the Conduit or even landing in London.
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Mar 19, 2012 14:26
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Android Blues posted:I honestly don't understand it. I don't mind the "damaged character is healed by interaction with the protagonist" thing, even though it's hacky, but what on Earth is romantically appealing about freshly grieving widowers? Why is that a thing that recurs to such a degree that it feels like someone at Bioware's fetish? I know the grieving widower archetype's been a staple of romance novels for as far back as they've existed in print, so it wouldn't surprise me that Bioware's milking that staple for all it's worth and then some.
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Mar 19, 2012 14:44
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Bioware doesn't innovate or go on grand flights of imagination. Everything in Mass Effect is derived from something else. Their writing, in general, is filled with cliche. There's nothing wrong with that. There's no obligation to reinvent the wheel. Everything is derivative of something else and originality isn't the first criterion for good fiction. When they go out of their depth, we end up with lots of speculation for everyone.
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Mar 19, 2012 14:48
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Ambiguatron posted:Everything in Mass Effect is derived from something else.
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Mar 19, 2012 15:29
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Sombrerotron posted:Knowing that the map of each Citadel area will indicate the presence of an NPC if you can hand in such a side mission is helpful, too.
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Mar 19, 2012 15:37
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From http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946:quote:For the last eight years, Mass Effect has been a labor of love for our team; love for the characters we’ve created, for the medium of video games, and for the fans that have supported us. For us and for you, Mass Effect 3 had to live up to a lot of expectations, not only for a great gaming experience, but for a resolution to the countless storylines and decisions you’ve made as a player since the journey began in 2007. So we designed Mass Effect 3 to be a series of endings to key plots and storylines, each culminating in scenes that show you the consequences of your actions. You then carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey. Like or hate the ending, there is no way you can twist the english language enough to have half of those paragraphs be true/accurate/valid/whatever. quote:
Yeah for more DLC, which will likely continue to be overpriced! What's really bad about the whole thing is people will still defend the ending occasionally. I mean, in most cases it's just a bunch of opinionated forum posts being thrown around. Then again why should Mass Effect be any different? Maybe the idea of defending the ending isn't so bad. After all it's not like people have actually raised over $60,000 for charity on a platform of being pissed off about the ending, right?
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Mar 19, 2012 15:48
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While it is true that ME3 played out like a long farewell to lots of familiar stuff, I think that the "showing consequences" bit is where they fall flat. Saved the Rachni Queen in ME1? Great! You get a War Asset. Didn't bother? Well... she's hamhandedly inserted in the game anyway!
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Mar 19, 2012 15:53
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Does Kaidan ever explain why he didn't want to bone male Shep in ME1? "Oh yeah, you and me we've been through so much together, Shepard. Us making out and hooking up just makes sense." Also I am still disappointed that James isn't a love interest, gay or straight. He would've been a way funnier one than the grieving widower, for one, and he already flirts constantly with femshep, but apparently there's no chemistry there or something. Maybe they were trying to avoid another Jacob-esque "eye on the prize" moment.
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Mar 19, 2012 15:53
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messagemode1 posted:Does Kaidan ever explain why he didn't want to bone male Shep in ME1? "Oh yeah, you and me we've been through so much together, Shepard. Us making out and hooking up just makes sense." Because the Mass Effect universe is PG-13 and there's no room for gays there (ignore all the gore and Jack dropping f-bombs like there's no tomorrow)
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Mar 19, 2012 15:56
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Noxville posted:Because the Mass Effect universe is PG-13 and there's no room for gays there (ignore all the gore and Jack dropping f-bombs like there's no tomorrow) 2) You said there aren't any gay people because the ME universe is PG-13 (according to whatever strict criteria you've made up, which obviously doesn't include violence or language). It's almost as if you're trying to say that gay people are inherently R-rated (as in, not for kids). Why do you think that?
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Mar 19, 2012 16:07
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Crows Turn Off posted:1) There are two known gay characters in Mass Effect 3. Neither is a stereotype either. (I think) He's sarcastically criticizing Bioware's implicit position that gays are R-rated and not for kids. It's not his actual position.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:09
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nessin posted:What's really bad about the whole thing is people will still defend the ending occasionally. I mean, in most cases it's just a bunch of opinionated forum posts being thrown around. Then again why should Mass Effect be any different? Maybe the idea of defending the ending isn't so bad. After all it's not like people have actually raised over $60,000 for charity on a platform of being pissed off about the ending, right? Oh those crazy people and their opinions! The endings weren't perfect, and the video has a bizarre continuity error, but it's exactly the kind of thing I was expecting and coming down 110% on the side of a group that contains people that complain that the ending isn't Shep kicking back on a beach somewhere is a little peculiar.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:12
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messagemode1 posted:(I think) He's sarcastically criticizing Bioware's implicit position that gays are R-rated and not for kids. It's not his actual position. Yeah, the quote was from Casey Hudson to people asking about gay romances in ME2: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9026170
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Mar 19, 2012 16:21
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Noxville posted:Yeah, the quote was from Casey Hudson to people asking about gay romances in ME2: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9026170 I still think they handled it well in ME3.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:24
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Noxville posted:Because the Mass Effect universe is PG-13 and there's no room for gays there (ignore all the gore and Jack dropping f-bombs like there's no tomorrow)
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Mar 19, 2012 16:37
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I thought the ending was super neat  But, you know who I miss? Harby. It was kind of weird to hear him talking poo poo throughout the entirety of ME2 and not hear so much as a peep from him in ME3. You'd think he'd at least send Shep an email to the effect of "HELLO SHEPARD YOU FOILED ME LAST TIME BUT VICTORY WILL BE OURS, SUBMIT NOW" or something. e: whoops, spoiler tags GOTTA STAY FAI fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Mar 19, 2012 |
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Mar 19, 2012 16:39
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I thought the ending was super neat one of the many things I feel they really dropped the ball on By the way, was there ever an explanation on how Kaiden/Ashley avoided the collectors on Horizon despite being one of the first people stung?
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Mar 19, 2012 16:51
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messagemode1 posted:Does Kaidan ever explain why he didn't want to bone male Shep in ME1? "Oh yeah, you and me we've been through so much together, Shepard. Us making out and hooking up just makes sense."
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Mar 19, 2012 16:55
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NextTime000 posted:one of the many things I feel they really dropped the ball on Plot armor made my a space wizard.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:55
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CaptainCarrot posted:Why did you spoiler that? Also, I'm still fairly irritated that Kaidan is bi but Ashley is not, and the argument that she's Christian and therefore straight is absurd-there are many gay Christians today, and I hardly think that situation would deteriorate in the next two centuries. Well, in fairness, they already have a few bi female characters, but no bi men. There are two bisexual women you can sleep with already in ME3.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:56
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Android Blues posted:Well, in fairness, they already have a few bi female characters, but no bi men. There are two bisexual women you can sleep with already in ME3. Who? I'm pretty sure Traynor is gay and Allers is straight, and even if you count Liara that's still only one.
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Mar 19, 2012 16:59
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So here's a small thing that's been bugging me: assuming that he's the Virmire Survivor, Kaiden is promoted to Major by ME3. According to the Codex entry on Alliance rankings, doesn't he outrank Shepard at this point?
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Mar 19, 2012 16:59
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CaptainCarrot posted:Who? I'm pretty sure Traynor is gay and Allers is straight, and even if you count Liara that's still only one. Also, Kelly Chambers. She is bi in ME2 as well. Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Mar 19, 2012 |
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Mar 19, 2012 16:59
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CaptainCarrot posted:Who? I'm pretty sure Traynor is gay and Allers is straight, and even if you count Liara that's still only one. Allers hit on me a lot and I got an option to ask her to stay the night as a female Shepard. I didn't take it so maybe she's just a tease? Nevertheless. Also yeah the other one I meant was Liara, I'd forgotten about Kelly.
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Mar 19, 2012 17:01
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What is their explanation for the Rachni being back if you torched them previously? Do they explain it in game?.
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Mar 19, 2012 17:05
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Nifft posted:What is their explanation for the Rachni being back if you torched them previously? Do they explain it in game?. You can sort of use the explanation that Cerberus got them from somewhere to experiment on in ME1. It's not like they ran Exogeni or whatever the lab you run through on Noveria is called.
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Mar 19, 2012 17:06
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Nifft posted:What is their explanation for the Rachni being back if you torched them previously? Do they explain it in game?. 
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Mar 19, 2012 17:06
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Drei posted:So here's a small thing that's been bugging me: assuming that he's the Virmire Survivor, Kaiden is promoted to Major by ME3. According to the Codex entry on Alliance rankings, doesn't he outrank Shepard at this point? Yes. It's also strange that he's a Major, since I thought he was in the Navy like Shepard, so going by the Codex he should be a Captain (like Anderson is in the first game).
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Mar 19, 2012 17:09
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CaptainCarrot posted:Who? I'm pretty sure Traynor is gay and Allers is straight, and even if you count Liara that's still only one. With Liara it's 3. If you want to include Morinth/Samara it's 5, since even though you can't go through with them they're still pretty clearly interested in both Sheps. And you should count Liara and the other Asaris since they are referred to as "she", and look basically identical to human females except for hair tentacles and blue skin. Saying that the Asari are mono-gendered and don't have males or females is kind of ridiculous when they are all referred to as "she." There's even a scene with Liara's "father" where Shepard tries to politely correct her that "On Earth, you would both be considered mothers." Edit: I guess really the bisexual count is: Bisexual Females - An entire species + 2 Bisexual Males - Kaidan messagemode1 fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 19, 2012 |
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Edit: Whoops, wrong info, sorry.
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