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Be careful of that assumption though. One thing I found through my second watching is hidden in a lot of those "shuffling names around" scenes is a lot of the subtle politics that flare up later. I had quite a few "Ah-hah!" moments rewatching it in terms of stuff that seemed insignificant first time around suddenly becoming a lot more the other way around. Its a monotlithic show really. But I do feel all the whacky threads of narrative really do integrate well after a while. Also yeah, regarding the land-combat in space thing. I think a big part of the whole "corridor" thing is to allow them to do battles that parallel the sort of considerations one might make on land battle formation warfare, like in a narrow valley or whatever.
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Reinhard with a bouquet larger than his torso... this is... this is too much. That blush. I'm dying.
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Nephilm posted:Reinhard with a bouquet larger than his torso... this is... this is too much. Completely unrealistic, right? It's a simple question of weight ratios.
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Nephilm posted:Reinhard with a bouquet larger than his torso... this is... this is too much. Master tactician! Natural leader! Awkward virgin. This Fall on UPN.
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Feb 23, 2012 12:00
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Captain Invictus posted:Master tactician! The best part was how after the deed was done she looked physically distraught. He's that bad.
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TK-31 posted:The best part was how after the deed was done she looked physically distraught. He's that bad. I think that had more to do with having to do the walk of shame in front of the Kaiser's guards and attendants, then her own family's.
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Big spoilers - So, episode 82.  There was so much foreshadowing in the preceding couple of episodes that I knew it was going to happen (and the god drat title of the episode!) but it was still a shock and I must admit I loosed a single teardrop in honour of the Magician. Cazellnu's choked up voice when he says that Yang's death violates the natural order of things really got me. His death absolutely fits with the recurring theme of historical untidiness and realism in the show, though. Yang made a dunce of Reinhard in their every meeting, yet he suffers a lonely death to a character that isn't even named. He doesn't even get a chance to impart final words to Julian. I also liked how everyone was shown to mourn differently: Julian goes berserk, Schenkopp is pragmatic, Poplan drinks, Reinhard sulks. Frederica's voice acting when Julian tells her the bad news was some of the best I've heard in anime. It'll be strange to watch the show without Yang. Reinhard simply doesn't compare and I don't really see how to two were even considered rivals. At least he'll have a chance at winning a battle now that Yang's gone, though I worry that Julian will continue to excel in everything that his colourless self touches...
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I wonder what the japanese fascination is with when a nameless mook (or otherwise feeble character) wounds/kills/seemingly kills a notable character they immediately go into an anxiety attack that usually involves dropping their weapons and laughing maniacally.
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Mar 1, 2012 18:48
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other examples?
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DamnGlitch posted:other examples? Within the same series you have the guy who fatally wounds Schenkopp, and on a related note the firing squad that kills whatshisname leader of the Alliance after Yang escapes but as for other examples I can't point them out off the top of my head since I haven't watched media in which the relevant situations come up with in ages aside from LoGH, but I do recall encountering it a fair bit in anime/manga I've gone through. Maybe it tries to convey a sense of the character in question not being truly bested, or otherwise granting them some sort of moral upper ground by portraying the party who did the deed as pathetic as possible. Or it being an ignoble situation, I don't know. What I do know is that I've NEVER seen a situation come up in which a larger-than-life character/plot element is brought down and a nod is made towards the previously unknown person who did the deed being just a regular dude, with nothing particularly special to them besides trying hard or getting lucky. No, if they show them at all they have to show them as frightful little human beings humbled to the point of submission or insanity by what they just did.
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Well in real life Napoleon was once facing down an entire army as a firing squad and the guy closest to him just plain fainted, the idea of being forever known as the guy that killed a historic figure isn't pleasant if your last name isn't Oswald. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffeOvwBYkf4 This actually happened. Rakugoon fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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Rakugoon posted:Well in real life Napoleon was once facing down an entire army as a firing squad and the guy closest to him just plain fainted, the idea of being forever known as the guy that killed a historic figure isn't pleasant if your last name isn't Oswald. And that's actually kinda replicated in LoGH, but doesn't apply to the specific cases I mentioned nor to the broader trope. Facing down who you had previously sworn loyalty to in a stand-off is very different from finding a target you were already forming part of a concerted effort to eliminate, nevermind cases where the significant individual isn't even famous or shouldn't be immediately recognizable.
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Well with the terraists it's obvious that they're just broken people anyway. And with Schenkopp the freakout had nothing to do with what the killer himself had just done so much as the poo poo he saw out of his victim.
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Why are you trying to justify it? My point is not whether it's justifiable or not for a given circumstance, but that the culture seems to be enamored with it.
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At some point after visiting Earth, Boris Konev drops an  on how the Earth Cult uses its followers. Does anyone know what I'm talking about and have a screenshot of that quote? I've been trying to find it for like a day on Google and would search through the series myself but I never backed it up when I watched it.
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Minrad posted:At some point after visiting Earth, Boris Konev drops an In a religion there's nothing cheaper than the lives of its faithful?
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Well, I've finally finished it. What a journey. Should I just quit watching anime while I'm ahead?
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Chas McGill posted:Well, I've finally finished it. What a journey. Should I just quit watching anime while I'm ahead? Honestly, it wouldn't be a bad note to go out on.
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Nephilm posted:In a religion there's nothing cheaper than the lives of its faithful? Yess that was the quote  It had been on the tip of my tongue forever, thanks.
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Chinook posted:Honestly, it wouldn't be a bad note to go out on. I'm only half joking. I think if I watched something set in a high school now I'd throw up even more than I used to. Can't really see how anything can compare to the elegiac seriousness and scale of LotGH. That said: Reinhardo-sama thoroughly disappointed me throughout the series. His tactics?: overwhelm the enemy with continuous waves until they break down. His personnel decisions?: either moronic or deliberate in fomenting conflict and rebellion (appointing Reuental as governor of Neue Land, sending Fahrenheit and the Boar to execute a holding action near Iserlohn, knowing full well that they're his two most easily provoked admirals). His reforms and honour are plus points, though the latter smacks of macho sentimentality. Consider the final battle. Hadn't Julian already proven his willingness to shed blood for his ideals? The continuation of the battle is completely unneccessary. It demonstrates his bloodlust and little else. I ended up seeing him as a mass murdering Dick Dastardly rather than a glorious golden emperor.
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Chas McGill posted:Hadn't Julian already proven his willingness to shed blood for his ideals? The continuation of the battle is completely unneccessary. It demonstrates his bloodlust and little else.
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Mar 16, 2012 16:34
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I would have much preferred to see Julian: space jock ace than Julian: Inexplicable Wunderkinder
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There's a contract clause stating that every anime requires some kind of wunderkind. Julian's teachers were among the greats, though, to be fair: Yang - the tactical mastermind. Schenkopp - death on two legs/Harrison Ford impersonator. Poplan - The "Red" Baron. Kircheis - Inspirational handshake.
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A beloved director of science fiction shows passed away at age 73 (via ANN) quote:Studio Nue co-founder Haruka Takachiho reported on Wednesday that Noboru Ishiguro, the veteran director of such works as Space Battleship Yamato, the first color Astro Boy anime series (1980), The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, and Legend of the Galactic Heroes, has passed away. He was 73. Let us remember this fine man, his work, and the things it taught us.
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Pouring a glass for him now. What a career.
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I did not know his name until now but drat, an artist has left the building.
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Back in 2002, Noboru Ishiguro was at the Legend of the Galactic Heroes panel at Anime Expo in LA. During the panel, they were giving out prizes to people who asked questions, and some of the prizes were cels from the series. I lucked out and got a cel of Julian, which he and the producer, Yukio Kikukawa, were nice enough to sign for me. I still have it framed on my mantle. Thanks for all of the fantastic series you directed, Isiguro-san.
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Just dropping by this thread to say thank you to Zorak. I don't know in which thread I saw his praising recommendation of LOGH but I've been watching it over the last few months and just finished it tonight. It was loving outstanding. In my opinion, it shares a place with Cowboy Bebop and GITS:SAC in that rare category of anime that does everything right. Plot, characters, animation, pacing, themes, dialog, soundtrack, you name it. To elaborate, the plot is intricate, but the shows structures along with the narrators recaps make it easy to follow. The characters are all very well written, even the minor ones. The cast is huge, but each character is so unique that it's not hard to keep track of them all, which is a feat of screen writing. In particular I liked Reuenthal and Oberstein, who at different points take morally ambiguous actions in order to follow their own philosophies. The series never once passed judgment on them, instead leaving the conclusion to the viewer. The themes of sovereignty, power, loyalty, nationalism, honor, love and wisdom are ingrained throughout the entire story, but are never overdone. The pacing, while slow in the first few episodes when developing characters, picks up and holds you the entire time. The animation amazed me; it's fluid, detailed, and never once degrades in quality over the 110 episode run. The classical soundtrack allowed for the easy setting of moods. It was chilling the first time you heard Dvorak's 9th 4th movement to the scenery of ships exploding. In all the show was fantastic and I'm a bit sad that I'm done with it. Japan, please make more anime like this instead of Moe High School Idol Harem Anime #30495
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Go watch Monster or something.
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I started Monster years ago and still haven't finished it. It's only similarity to LoGH that I remember is that people stand around talking all the time, but one show holds my attention doing that and one doesn't. My go-to anime to recommend to people who 'hate anime' is usually Death Note. I wish there was something closer to Legends that I could point new people to without dropping 110 episodes on them at once.
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Kircheis posted:Back in 2002, Noboru Ishiguro was at the Legend of the Galactic Heroes panel at Anime Expo in LA. During the panel, they were giving out prizes to people who asked questions, and some of the prizes were cels from the series. I lucked out and got a cel of Julian, which he and the producer, Yukio Kikukawa, were nice enough to sign for me. I still have it framed on my mantle. Thanks for all of the fantastic series you directed, Isiguro-san. That's lovely. Kuvo posted:In all the show was fantastic and I'm a bit sad that I'm done with it. Japan, please make more anime like this instead of Moe High School Idol Harem Anime #30495
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The problem with your statement, and the industry, is that you're assuming they are targeting teens.
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Could you elaborate? I thought the dearth of adult anime was down to companies targeting kids because the adults didn't have as much interest any more. Not that there isn't anything worth watching for adults (we're here, after all), though. There just seems to be far less of it.
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poo poo like Lucky Star and K-ON doesn't target kids bro, it targets 30+yo manchildren. The industry realized that they don't need to appeal to a wide audience when they can appeal to a small hardcore audience that has way more purchasing power.
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Chas McGill posted:Could you elaborate? I thought the dearth of adult anime was down to companies targeting kids because the adults didn't have as much interest any more. Manbabbies. Specifically, single men with disposable income they dedicate to purchasing merchandise. It DOES hit some teens; a naked woman infront of some (male) teen isn't going to get a blind eye turned to it, regardless of what the main audience is. But lolicon shows, and ridiculous high school shows are not for the age group featured in the show.
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This is not a problem exclusive to anime, either. People blame the lowest common denominator for decrease in the quality of entertainment a lot but it is usually just as much the fault of 'the fans' if not more.
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Yeah. There's tons of absolute garbage in any entertainment media. Good shows still exists. I think it's strange to assume there should be amazing works coming out all the time and then be disappointed when one season "totally sucks" than to expect something wonderful to pop up when we least expect it. The later seems much more likely given the way the entertainment industry is constructed.
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Nephilm posted:poo poo like Lucky Star and K-ON doesn't target kids bro, it targets 30+yo manchildren. The industry realized that they don't need to appeal to a wide audience when they can appeal to a small hardcore audience that has way more purchasing power. DamnGlitch posted:Manbabbies. Specifically, single men with disposable income they dedicate to purchasing merchandise. Wow. So I'm guessing it's a kind of escapist fantasy complex or something? I know that there are a lot of Westerners into shows that look like they'd be exclusively for kids, but I thought that was down to the exotic allure of them being foreign. I didn't think they had a market for adults in Japan. Kind of like how people don't feel weird being seen reading Le Petit Prince* as an adult. Can't really relate to it either way. I'm glad that shows like LotGH exist, though. *Probably a bad comparison. Sorry, Antoine.
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Chas McGill posted:Wow. So I'm guessing it's a kind of escapist fantasy complex or something? Doesn't that account for like 90% of all fiction? In the specific case of the anime industry you can point out how an audience grew up watching, for instance robot shows and... well, never stopped liking them, which is a completely legitimate position. And however you may look at them, some of these shows that look childish are specifically aimed at these same grown-up audiences (compare to adult cartoons like The Simpsons and Ren&Stimpy; something like MLP *is* aimed at children) and those are the ones that hit, because anime for little kids are their own category. The trait of manchildren would be mostly attributed to the fact that in many cases they're spending a significant percentage of their livelihood on overpriced merchandise, not to mention a blatant embrace of the most extreme excesses of said materialism and/or associated manias/fetishes. Nephilm fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Mar 23, 2012 |
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