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swagger like us posted:I'm up at Thompson Rivers University in the interior BC, so, a podunk school. I remember hearing rumours when I was fencing about them trying to start a fencing club but werent allowed because "combat" clubs are banned. Unfortunantly i'm only a 2 stripe white belt in BJJ and did about a two weeks of Judo so its not like I can really spearhead any type club by myself. From what I understand too the only clubs on campus are through the student union, and I don't think they allow clubs that require any sort of fees to be a member of, not too sure. You won't really lose anything by doing so, you'll probably get guys from all walks. A training collective can be quite effective even if you're all at lower levels. If nothing else it's good conditioning, fitness and socialising. Just make sure when you guys meet you make it known you're not a qualified instructor, make sure everyone takes it easy on each other and try to come up with some warm ups that can be done without instructions. Hip Escapes, reverse hip escapes, bear crawls, crab walks, leopard crawls, all that sort of stuff so you get a good warm up. You can all do basic arm bar drills and basic sweeps, same with mount and side control escape drills. They're all fairly basic but take a long time to master. There's worse things you can do with down time than practice mount escapes and arm bar drills while keeping your fitness up till you can find somewhere decent to train.
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swagger like us posted:I'm up at Thompson Rivers University in the interior BC, so, a podunk school. I remember hearing rumours when I was fencing about them trying to start a fencing club but werent allowed because "combat" clubs are banned. Unfortunantly i'm only a 2 stripe white belt in BJJ and did about a two weeks of Judo so its not like I can really spearhead any type club by myself. From what I understand too the only clubs on campus are through the student union, and I don't think they allow clubs that require any sort of fees to be a member of, not too sure. Oh ok, yeah TRU is pretty small so it's not surprising that they don't have anything on campus. Unfortunately it could be tough to get even an open mat thing going on your own, if only for insurance reasons. I know at SFU they had to haggle with administration over that for some time before they got that sorted out.
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Flo Wrestling got video of Tom Ryan (Ohio State head coach) during the 133 lbs championship match. This is seriously the best video. I think he was expending as much energy as Stieber was and doing a duck under of the security guard at the end completed it. It's also really cool how since ESPN has rights to the video of the actual matches, Flo Wrestling focuses on all the background stuff and manages to produce some really good videos every year. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 20, 2012 |
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rupture is closing it's doors, so this might be a good time to stock up on rashguards n poo poo while supplies last..quote:Everyone,
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I train BJJ in a medium-sized city in Sweden. My BJJ-club moved into a brand new gym together with the local Muay Thai-club and coinciding with the opening an MMA-club was started as well. Muay Thai is really popular, with lots of people in their classes, and MMA, at least starting out, was very popular, though the amount of people training these days seem to be waning a bit. Meanwhile, our BJJ-club is struggling somewhat to add new members. I'm wondering if this is something other BJJ practicioners have noticed as well? My guess is that BJJ might be a bit more obscure and not as mainstream as Muay Thai and MMA, which has gotten really popular lately. Maybe the fact that you train in a gi can be off-putting to some people as well? We have a very friendly and open atmosphere, the trainer and higher belts are very devoted to everybody's development and the new people who find their way to our classes are welcomed with open arms. What are your thoughts on this? What does your club do to attract and keep new members? Have you had any success in attracting women to your grappling classes?
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beadgc posted:I train BJJ in a medium-sized city in Sweden. My BJJ-club moved into a brand new gym together with the local Muay Thai-club and coinciding with the opening an MMA-club was started as well. I find it varies between people who never miss a class rain hail or shine and people who show up whenever they feel like it. I think it's down to a discipline thing. If you really want to be there you'll find a way kind of deal. That being said some weeks there's as few as 5 of us, other times as many as 15. You get a good mix. Right now though I find that I can style on everyone who started around the same time I did and who's new but I still struggle with people who're more advanced so it's hard to find that medium of back and fourth competition these days. The quality of MMA and striking arts in Aus is hard to define, but you could call it very much a brawling style and that goes for boxing too. That being said I've found a new club that does a lot of stand up grappling and striking that seems to be more about footwork and staying calm, collected and more importantly accurate in exchanges and I've improved leaps and bounds when I spar with some friends who do muay thai.
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beadgc posted:I train BJJ in a medium-sized city in Sweden. My BJJ-club moved into a brand new gym together with the local Muay Thai-club and coinciding with the opening an MMA-club was started as well. I think Sweden has an especially high turnover rate on MMA practicioners so even though it may seem super popular I doubt many of the those faces will be around a year from now. Conversely BJJ fighters tend to be fewer but more loyal to the sport and stick around for longer, at least that has been my experience. I train at Fight Zone in Stockholm and they seem be mostly about a good atmosphere and access to some high quality seminars etc due to being part of Checkmat. We're almost 2/3 guys and 1/3 girls if not even more but I can't say exactly what they're doing to attract them. I assume having some in the first place helps in order to get more. 
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Hey, dunno if this was answered before, but why is amateur wrestling in America so focused on folkstyle wrestling at the highschool/college levels when they just have to end up transitioning to freestyle/roman greco?
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the least weasel posted:I think Sweden has an especially high turnover rate on MMA practicioners... Well, I started training MMA at Pancrase in Stockholm in august last year and there seems to be a fairly high turnover rate among the beginners, but people who have moved on to the intermediate level tend to stick around. I don't know how it compares to BJJ or other Martial arts, but it's fairly common that people show up for a few classes then dissapear. That's probably just the result of MMA being the hot new thing in the martial arts world right now, so many people who are interested in testing some MA will go for MMA first, before they know wether or not they will like MA practice at all.
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MMA isn't a loving style, stop trying to call MMA it's own martial art. Sorry for being pedantic.
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It can be but okay
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fawker posted:Hey, dunno if this was answered before, but why is amateur wrestling in America so focused on folkstyle wrestling at the highschool/college levels when they just have to end up transitioning to freestyle/roman greco? Because we give zero poo poo about international sports. Not being a troll that's really the reason, no one cares enough to fight inertia
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A lot of high school/college wrestlers play other sports too, so instead of making no money in international competition and then transitioning to making no money AND getting punched in the face in MMA, they'll get drafted into ball sports and make lots of money.
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Oh Em Gee posted:MMA isn't a loving style, stop trying to call MMA it's own martial art. Where have you been for the last two decades? MMA= Selected techniques from Muay Thai, boxing, BJJ, and wrestling. It's a style. If you do JKD and Aikido you're a martial artist, not an MMA fighter. You're like the judo guys who complain that BJJ isn't a legitimate style because it's a compilation of Japanese jiu jitsu and judo techniques.
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fawker posted:Hey, dunno if this was answered before, but why is amateur wrestling in America so focused on folkstyle wrestling at the highschool/college levels when they just have to end up transitioning to freestyle/roman greco? Tradition. Pure and simple. We hamstring our Olympic hopefuls by having them wrestle all of their formative years in a style that does nothing for them in international competition because that's they was the US has always done it. To be fair olympic freestyle used to be much closer to folkstyle, over the years rule changes have shifted the two further and further apart. Greco Roman has always been moonlanguage to the US, but freestyle and folkstyle used to be quite a bit closer. In all fairness though, folkstyle is a much more complete sport than the other two. I've never understood why stalling when you are in the bottom position is an acceptable and recommended tactic. In the real world if someone takes you down you want to get up or improve your position (blah blah blah jiu-jitsu etc). But the US has done folkstyle forever and ever. The culture of the sport in this country has been set for 75 years. And quite frankly wrestling is an amateur sport. Before MMA there wasn't much application for wrestling after high school or college. 99.9% of guys aren't going to train for the Olympics and if you spent all your youth pressing for that goal then maybe you missed something along the way. But I think folkstyle wrestling as an amateur sport is just fine as is, and even though it doesn't lead directly to Olympic glory it gets you most of the way there. Small adjustments and folkstyle becomes freestyle. The US has been fairly competitive in wrestling for a long time (this last Olympics notwithstanding).
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CivilDisobedience posted:Where have you been for the last two decades? MMA= Selected techniques from Muay Thai, boxing, BJJ, and wrestling. It's a style. If you do JKD and Aikido you're a martial artist, not an MMA fighter. You're like the judo guys who complain that BJJ isn't a legitimate style because it's a compilation of Japanese jiu jitsu and judo techniques. Those are the styles currently prevelant, sure, but MMA is constantly evolving and bringing in bits and pieces of new and different arts. I think a lot of people are put off by the idea of "MMA" classes for beginners. Also, where are you getting the idea that BJJ is a "compilation of Japanese jiu jitsu and judo techniques"? There is nothing in BJJ that came directly from Japanese Jiu Jitsu.
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Many of BJJ's wrist, shoulder, spine, leg, finger and toe attacks were common in JJJ. They got phased out by Kano as he figured out ways to make Judo safer to practice and then reintroduced/rediscovered in BJJ as it grew away from Judo's philosophy. And yes many people balk at MMA classes for beginners- so what?
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CivilDisobedience posted:Many of BJJ's wrist, shoulder, spine, leg, finger and toe attacks were common in JJJ. They got phased out by Kano as he figured out ways to make Judo safer to practice and then reintroduced/rediscovered in BJJ as it grew away from Judo's philosophy. What is practiced today as Judo, BJJ and even Hapkido (depending on the school) used to be all part of the one genus, which was Jiu Jitsu, they refined the elements they wanted for their style and branched off.
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BlindSite posted:What is practiced today as Judo, BJJ and even Hapkido (depending on the school) used to be all part of the one genus, which was Jiu Jitsu, they refined the elements they wanted for their style and branched off. I just find this annoying because this is what some BJJ schools actually preach. I've even seen claims that they invented the Gi and stuff like that. BJJ and Judo have certainly evolved into separate martial arts, but BJJ did not come from Japanese Jiu Jitsu. It came from Judo.
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Mardragon posted:To be fair olympic freestyle used to be much closer to folkstyle, over the years rule changes have shifted the two further and further apart. What FILA has done to Freestyle over the past few decades is, in my opinion, as big or bigger than what the IJF has done with Judo. So much meddling by bureaucrats trying to make non-spectator sports more TV friendly.
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Thoguh posted:but BJJ did not come from Japanese Jiu Jitsu. It came from Judo. What are you struggling with here. Judo came from Jiu Jitsu. BJJ Came from Judo. Therefore BJJ came from Jiu Jitsu. You're arguing that humans did not come from single-celled life-forms because humans came from apes.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What are you struggling with here. Judo came from Jiu Jitsu. BJJ Came from Judo. Therefore BJJ came from Jiu Jitsu. whoa buddy, they still haven't found that missing link.
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westcoaster posted:whoa buddy, they still haven't found that missing link. drat you're right. BJJ was intelligently designed and came from nothing.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:drat you're right. BJJ was intelligently designed and came from nothing. It sprang fully formed from Helio, the god of papaya and the sun.
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Xguard86 posted:It sprang fully formed from Helio, the god of papaya and the sun. this was after he shook the first chili peppers from his testicles but before he invented the Gracie Double and the push kick
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Helio was doing this when your dad was in your granddad's sack.
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CivilDisobedience posted:Many of BJJ's wrist, shoulder, spine, leg, finger and toe attacks were common in JJJ.
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That news to you? There's a lot of subs in BJJ that don't show up in competitions for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to tap a person by taking hold of the foot and carefully curling their toes under with your palm (My first encounter with toe attacks was actually in Judo)
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CivilDisobedience posted:That news to you? There's a lot of subs in BJJ that don't show up in competitions for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to tap a person by taking hold of the foot and carefully curling their toes under with your palm (My first encounter with toe attacks was actually in Judo) 
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CivilDisobedience posted:That news to you? There's a lot of subs in BJJ that don't show up in competitions for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to tap a person by taking hold of the foot and carefully curling their toes under with your palm (My first encounter with toe attacks was actually in Judo) Hahah that is a very cool submission. Cort x Bomb always does that to me
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CivilDisobedience posted:That news to you? There's a lot of subs in BJJ that don't show up in competitions for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to tap a person by taking hold of the foot and carefully curling their toes under with your palm (My first encounter with toe attacks was actually in Judo) Oh yeah the toe hold, forgot about that.
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Chemtrail Clem posted:Hahah that is a very cool submission. Cort x Bomb always does that to me would you say that it succeeds a high percentage of the time?
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carefully curling toes is the gentle bjj move and not as effective in real fighting, a demonic catchwrestler will rip those fuckers right off
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Even the Gracie Academy doesn't teach small joint manipulation, and they focus almost exclusively on self defense.
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:would you say that it succeeds a high percentage of the time? Yes, 100% of the time.
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dokomoy posted:Even the Gracie Academy doesn't teach small joint manipulation, and they focus almost exclusively on self defense. It's hard to tap someone to a wrist lock without luck or significant skill strength difference. A broken wrist is also not really a fight ender in self defense situations.
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Paul Pot posted:carefully curling toes is the gentle bjj move and not as effective in real fighting, a demonic catchwrestler will rip those fuckers right off That's why truly demonic catch wrestlers wear shoes
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Xguard86 posted:It's hard to tap someone to a wrist lock without luck or significant skill strength difference. A broken wrist is also not really a fight ender in self defense situations. I meant toes and fingers. I don't necessarily agree with you about wrist locks. Wristlocks aren't super common in BJJ but guys like Jacare, Claudio Calasans and Fredson Paxiao have all finished high level guys with wrist locks(also, I got wrist locked twice this week).
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Thoguh posted:I just find this annoying because this is what some BJJ schools actually preach. I've even seen claims that they invented the Gi and stuff like that. BJJ and Judo have certainly evolved into separate martial arts, but BJJ did not come from Japanese Jiu Jitsu. It came from Judo. Judo that's practised today in most schools is a world away from what Kokodan Judo was.
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BlindSite posted:Judo that's practised today in most schools is a world away from what Kokodan Judo was. I don't disagree. My point was just that saying that "BJJ comes from Japanese Jiu Jitsu" is dishonest because it intentionally skips a very, very important step. The move from traditional Jiu Jitsu to what Kano did was a total sea change. The move from Kano to Gracie was just a difference in preference. One is an evolution, the other is a complete break from the past. Saying BJJ came from traditional Jiu Jitsu is like saying that your crazy great uncle is your dad. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Mar 23, 2012 |
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