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I've essentially been assuming everything was an illusion ever since they got on the continent. That didn't hold water once we got to all that development about Tarquin, because throwing all that away isn't Rich's style (unless he's way more ballsy than I think), but it's right back on here.
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We don't know how far under his own feet he really is. What we see is a body.
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Mar 23, 2012 08:43
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The corpse is missing Girard's purple cloak. That could be the faintest of hints that this is a decoy.
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Mar 23, 2012 09:53
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NihilCredo posted:The corpse is missing Girard's purple cloak. That could be the faintest of hints that this is a decoy.
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Mar 23, 2012 11:46
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NihilCredo posted:The corpse is missing Girard's purple cloak. That could be the faintest of hints that this is a decoy.
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Mar 23, 2012 12:51
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I hope Burlew never stops with the butt jokes.
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Mar 23, 2012 13:39
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The gate could still be in the statues butt. It would br kind of dumb if they don't check.
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Mar 23, 2012 14:43
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I think it's more likely now that the buttcrack joke is actually a riddle, since the answer to "Where is Girard?" was "Beneath his own feet", which actually meant beneath the feet of his own statue.
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Mar 23, 2012 14:53
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Or in the buttcrack of his own statue. Just saying if they don't even check they are morons.
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Mar 23, 2012 15:03
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...are you missing that Haley is clearly checking just that in the very first panel?
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Mar 23, 2012 15:09
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I'm pretty sure Haley is inspecting the statue's buttcrack in the first panel.
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Mar 23, 2012 15:09
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HisMajestyBOB posted:I think it's more likely now that the buttcrack joke is actually a riddle, since the answer to "Where is Girard?" was "Beneath his own feet", which actually meant beneath the feet of his own statue. I think "Girard's rift" really was just a joke that resulted in the party finding Girard's body. It's better than having Haley search the statue for no specific reason.
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Mar 23, 2012 17:27
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ZeeToo posted:We don't know how far under his own feet he really is. Part of me wants to say that is ridiculously overcomplicating things. The other part wants to congratulate your deviousness, and buy you a drink. I so hope the deviousness is right. That would be cool.
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Mar 23, 2012 17:30
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I was thinking, would anything be funnier if this entire setup was a ruse and his family wasn't in on it? He created an epic ilusion of a gate and told his sons to protect it, so they created an insular clan of sorceror's kidnapping and casting high level magic on a temple where their "father's" body lay when in fact he's on the other side of the continent by himself
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Mar 23, 2012 17:32
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RickoniX posted:I was thinking, would anything be funnier if this entire setup was a ruse and his family wasn't in on it? He created an epic ilusion of a gate and told his sons to protect it, so they created an insular clan of sorceror's kidnapping and casting high level magic on a temple where their "father's" body lay when in fact he's on the other side of the continent by himself I think we can be confident the gate is in the general area, since they were found before Girard had the power to set up that kind of illusion and they're immobile enough to force the layout of the Sapphire Guard's throne room. I do find the rest of this theory amusing, though.
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Mar 23, 2012 18:20
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bartolimu posted:I think we can be confident the gate is in the general area, since they were found before Girard had the power to set up that kind of illusion and they're immobile enough to force the layout of the Sapphire Guard's throne room. I do find the rest of this theory amusing, though. Maybe it is concealed in the statue's butt/mouth by crafting the statue around it. The sapphire throne room had to be built up to meet the gate and the statue is built near the top of a giant pyramid.
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Mar 23, 2012 19:12
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SirDan3k posted:Maybe it is concealed in the statue's butt/mouth by crafting the statue around it. The sapphire throne room had to be built up to meet the gate and the statue is built near the top of a giant pyramid. In that case the rift moved with the statue when Haley hit that switch.
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Mar 23, 2012 19:52
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I'm going to go with the statue being a fake-out and that wherever V got dumped will lead to the right place. Maybe with another statue. HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO
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Mar 23, 2012 22:28
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It's statues of Girard Draketooth all the way down. By the way, I'm sure someone already addressed it, but even if the skeleton is a big fakeout, Girard's dead anyway, isn't he?
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Mar 23, 2012 22:52
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My Lovely Horse posted:It's statues of Girard Draketooth all the way down. Well, he's 1/4 dragon and may have done some insane epic magic fuckery that allowed him to escape the Familicide.
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Mar 24, 2012 00:08
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Pyrolocutus posted:I'm going to go with the statue being a fake-out and that wherever V got dumped will lead to the right place. Maybe with another statue. HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO The pyramid is full of statues. Also, all members of the Draketooth clan are called Girard.
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Mar 24, 2012 02:57
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Slime posted:The pyramid is full of statues. Also, all members of the Draketooth clan are called Girard. When they finally find the Gate, it's beside a bunch of fake Gates. All constructed of real materials, just most of them aren't protecting anything. Every family member has been told a different Gate is the real one.
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Mar 24, 2012 04:28
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That wasn't even a real corpse it was an extremely advanced facsimile of a corpse he's not an illusionist at all he is a really really good props and special effects guy.
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Mar 24, 2012 04:52
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run DNC posted:That wasn't even a real corpse it was an extremely advanced facsimile of a corpse he's not an illusionist at all he is a really really good props and special effects guy.
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Mar 24, 2012 05:26
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Epic-er magic beats epic magic, and Famlicide was cast at a caster level Girard Draketooth couldn't see with a stepladder and some binoculars. Give it up on the "it's an illusion" front, guys.
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Mar 24, 2012 05:42
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CapnAndy posted:Epic-er magic beats epic magic, and Famlicide was cast at a caster level Girard Draketooth couldn't see with a stepladder and some binoculars. Give it up on the "it's an illusion" front, guys. Just because you've faked your death doesn't mean you can't actually be dead!
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Mar 24, 2012 15:20
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Different avenue of speculation: what happened to Vaarsuvius? You'd think that Mr. Girard "put a giant bomb into my magic hologram" Draketooth would not mess around and just have a ton of very lethal traps in his hideout (see also the steps), yet V was dropped into some kind of hole. What would the purpose of that be?
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Mar 24, 2012 15:41
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NihilCredo posted:Different avenue of speculation: what happened to Vaarsuvius? You'd think that Mr. Girard "put a giant bomb into my magic hologram" Draketooth would not mess around and just have a ton of very lethal traps in his hideout (see also the steps), yet V was dropped into some kind of hole. What would the purpose of that be? It's a pit. It's one of the traditional traps. Having the smasher above the pit means it does a ton of damage then disposes of the corpse. It did enough damage to take a 14th level Wizard from perfect health to exactly 0 hit points and unconscious. That's 36-37 hp on average, assuming max hp at first level and no Constitution bonus. That's not a lot for high level characters, sure, but it's enough to massacre any minions who got sent in first, and by stashing the remains in the pit you don't leave any shot up, burnt, electrocuted, or otherwise identifiable bodies to warn the next bunch. It won't stop a determined high level party like the Order, the Guild, or Team Evil. But it will inconvenience them...which is about best case scenario for the first trap in the dungeon. Because you want to save your best traps for the room with the Gate in it, just in case your enemies find a way to teleport or go gaseous or ethereal or what have you past the outer defenses.
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Mar 24, 2012 16:12
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So how did the Familicide spell reach all the Draketooths if Girard was dead? You'd think his death would block it from passing onto his kin. Aren't their corpses evidence that he was alive when V cast his spell?
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Mar 24, 2012 17:11
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Vorgen posted:So how did the Familicide spell reach all the Draketooths if Girard was dead? You'd think his death would block it from passing onto his kin. Aren't their corpses evidence that he was alive when V cast his spell? Technically, the dragon he cast it on in the first place was also dead. The spell didn't care.
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Mar 24, 2012 17:14
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Vorgen posted:So how did the Familicide spell reach all the Draketooths if Girard was dead? You'd think his death would block it from passing onto his kin. Aren't their corpses evidence that he was alive when V cast his spell? Familicide gives no fucks whether or not Girard was dead. If you die, your grandchild dies; doesn't matter if the intervening generation is dead. Everyone in the Draketooth clan was directly blood-related to the black dragon V cast it on.
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Mar 24, 2012 17:16
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run DNC posted:That wasn't even a real corpse it was an extremely advanced facsimile of a corpse he's not an illusionist at all he is a really really good props and special effects guy.
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Factor_VIII posted:The Gates don't exist at all. It was all an elaborate prank by Girard using epic illusion spells that went off when the foci were destroyed, along with epic enchantment spells to modify people's memories about them threatening the world in the past. In the last strip Girard will appear and say "punked!'. I want so very badly to end a D&D campaign this way. A multiple year, once-weekly D&D campaign. ...as long as I don't have to pay for the stitches.
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Mar 24, 2012 17:54
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Seriously it's best not to put much thought into Familicide's mechanics, Burlew certainly didn't
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Mar 25, 2012 00:36
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RentACop posted:Seriously it's best not to put much thought into Familicide's mechanics, Burlew certainly didn't yes he did
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Mar 25, 2012 15:25
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Pope Guilty posted:I want so very badly to end a D&D campaign this way. A multiple year, once-weekly D&D campaign. This was probably the worst post for me to read while procrastinating on prep for the final session of a 3 1/4 year campaign whose big bad is a trickster god...
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Mar 25, 2012 18:17
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I did something similar once, although only to end a four month campaign. It wasn't really all that funny, even to me. Just a flat note to what was otherwise a perfectly fine superhero game. Don't.
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Mar 27, 2012 00:35
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Pope Guilty posted:I want so very badly to end a D&D campaign this way. A multiple year, once-weekly D&D campaign. One of my friends was in a five year, first level to high 30s campaign in which they literally killed the Guardian of Worlds, the great Wyrm that protects the world. Why? Because they could. The world was ending all around them and the universe was about to collapse in on itself due to the huge power vacuum created in the spirit world due to their actions, so the entire pantheon of gods stepped in and said "No no no, sorry, not gonna happen" and time traveled to undo their rise to power, killing each PC while they were still in their infancy. The group didn't respond well to the DM.
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Mar 27, 2012 00:47
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Please tell me the DM made them actually play the god verses mewling infant combat encounter.
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I feel like an Epic Wizard should have been able to prevent that.
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