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bobkatt013 posted:That was such a great moment during his intervention when he got pissed that he killed Adriana's dog. I personally loved Tony's bottled sadness when he found out his dad gave Tippy the dog away to the mistress.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:See, the problem is that people keep watching this show in the context of "What I would do if I were a mob Boss" and not "What I would do if I were this kid's cousin/uncle/father figure". You need to look at in that way, especially considering what Christopher's true dreams were, or else you're conforming to the same "rules" and "traditions" of a morally bankrupt organization that's destroyed hundreds of lives, just on this show itself.
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kenny powerzzz posted:I thought that was the point? When christopher was " made" he was specifically told that this thing of ours comes first, before everything else family included. If you were able to just leave the mob like a regular job Chris would have been fired or quit long before he died. I think Tony was right to do it based on who they are and what they do. But on the other hand Chris gave Ade up so although he was a gently caress up and a junkie he did pass a pretty big loyalty test. Actually after posting this I'm conflicted myself. He also had a choice before he was made to leave the mafia for screenwriter and he choose to stay.
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Mar 25, 2012 02:43
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Crazy685 posted:Haha how did ANYONE catch that was Lady Gaga? cbsnews.com/blogsfullstory.rbml?feed_id=71&catid=20019395&videofeed=null
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Mar 25, 2012 03:08
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General Washington posted:I personally loved Tony's bottled sadness when he found out his dad gave Tippy the dog away to the mistress. Speaking of daddy's mistress, what was up with that one scene near the end of the episode where she sings "happy birthday mister president" to him? They cut to him looking weird during it, and I can't decide if it's because he suddenly realizes he wants to bang his dad's mistress or if there's something else going on there.
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Mar 25, 2012 13:52
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Andrew Verse posted:Speaking of daddy's mistress, what was up with that one scene near the end of the episode where she sings "happy birthday mister president" to him? They cut to him looking weird during it, and I can't decide if it's because he suddenly realizes he wants to bang his dad's mistress or if there's something else going on there. I think it was either that or he was getting the vibe that she wanted to gently caress him, it was a pretty creepy scene all around now I think about it.
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Mar 25, 2012 14:10
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bobkatt013 posted:He also had a choice before he was made to leave the mafia for screenwriter and he choose to stay. Yes, but Tony gave him a pretty terrible ultimatum. "In exactly ten minutes I'm going to look up. If you're not here, I'll assume you went to find whatever the gently caress it is that's calling you out there, and I never want to see you again. If you are still here, then I'll assume you got no other desire in the world than to be with me, and your actions will reflect that every loving day. Don't say anything, take the ten minutes." Tony was a big brother/father figure to Christopher, had been his entire life and pretty much the only person he had in that role being that his father was killed when he was really young. Tony basically told him "Follow your dreams and I want nothing to do with you ever again. Continue in this miserable life and I'll be here for you as I always have"
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kippa posted:I think it was either that or he was getting the vibe that she wanted to gently caress him, it was a pretty creepy scene all around now I think about it. I think it was the realization that she was completely lost in the past, and every time he looked at her he was seeing the woman who was a major element of his own completely hosed up relationship with his mother. What I found really telling was that Melfi confronts him on the fact that his father was a total shithead to his mother as opposed to being the persecuted victim he remembers him as. He's furious at his worldview being shaken up, and even after breaking off contact with the ex-mistress, he is so determined to keep up the image of his father that he just blatantly lies to the guys about what an amazing woman she was (and thus making his father even better because she was in love with him even though she'd had a "long standing affair" with JFK). In the final season, I recall him being similarly furious when Janice reveals the story about his Dad shooting his mother's beehive hairdo to shut her up.
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Jerusalem posted:I think it was the realization that she was completely lost in the past, and every time he looked at her he was seeing the woman who was a major element of his own completely hosed up relationship with his mother.
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I remember bumming about on the Chase Lounge Sopranos forum and someone had went to considerable effort to write a whole essay on how the Sopranos is really all about daddy issues. The post is here, although it's super long so I don't have the time to read it again right now, but from what I remember it's very interesting stuff - http://thechaselounge.net/showthread.php?t=2503 I don't think I'll ever tire of reading people's analysis of The Sopranos, best show ever by a mile. Leyburn fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Mar 26, 2012 |
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Leyburn posted:I remember bumming about on the Chase Lounge Sopranos forum and someone had went to considerable effort to write a whole essay on how the Sopranos is really all about daddy issues. The post is here, although it's super long so I don't have the time to read it again right now, but from what I remember it's very interesting stuff - http://thechaselounge.net/showthread.php?t=2503 YES! Thanks for this, I remember getting halfway through it before and lost the link before I managed to finish it. It is pretty amazing that 5 years on people are still discussing it to this extent, I've seen every episode more times than I care to remember (I'll often just start watching through it again as something to have on in the background while I browse or do whatever, I try to mix in other shows but it always winds up with me rewatching The Sopranos) and I still keep finding new little tidbits easter eggs and things I've managed to miss before. The best one for me is the idea of Russ Fegoli being Paulies dad, I wish we could actually get Chase to say yes/no to that because it's pretty amazing if so.
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Really interesting and well-written article about the 2 finalists in Vulture's Greatest Drama of the Past 25 Years, The Sopranos and The Wire. He chose the Wire. http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/drama-derby-finals-the-wire-vs-the-sopranos.html?mid=nymag_press He makes a lot of really good points, but even after falling in love with the Wire, I would personally give the edge to the Sopranos, for one main reason:  The Wire never had Tony. Tony Soprano is one of the all-time great TV characters, and one of the most complex fictional creations I have ever seen. The Wire had some good characters, including everyone's favorite, Omar, but Tony was in a class of his own. There are times I find myself "missing" Tony and the crew, and wishing I could spend more time with them, while the Wire characters tend to be more archetypal, more representative of groups or ideas than fully formed people. But that's just my opinion - what do you guys think?
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Ishamael posted:Really interesting and well-written article about the 2 finalists in Vulture's Greatest Drama of the Past 25 Years, The Sopranos and The Wire.
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Ishamael posted:Really interesting and well-written article about the 2 finalists in Vulture's Greatest Drama of the Past 25 Years, The Sopranos and The Wire. As a fan of both shows I agree 100% with what you said about the characters, but that goes directly to what each show was trying to accomplish. The Sopranos was dissecting people, The Wire was dissecting society, and prioritized their storytelling to these ends, which you enjoyed more then comes largely to personal preferences. (I do like The Wire more, but agree that The Sopranos had better, and did more, with their characters).
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The Wire gets my pick, but this shouldn't be seen as suggesting The Sopranos is a "worse" show - it's loving amazing and it delves so much deeper into individual characters. I absolutely agree that Tony is an incredible character, he's what holds the whole show together, I don't think you could have The Sopranos work without Tony. Meanwhile, The Wire can (and did) work without a central character, and I could see a new series being made today with a largely new cast and work just as well. Without Tony, though? I don't think The Sopranos would work without him.
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So I am just getting around to watching this great series. I just finished season 2. I am confused about the "stolen airline tickets". The tickets were bought on Ramsey Outdoor's credit, and then they filed for bankruptcy. The lender would be owed for the money that was used to buy them (and erased by the bankruptcy), but the tickets were paid for. This doesn't make them "stolen", and I don't understand how it would be a crime unless Davey reported them as stolen from his store. I know Pussy tipped off the FBI agent about them. But I still don't see how they would become stolen property. This just bugs me. Anyone?
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Stark posted:So I am just getting around to watching this great series. I just finished season 2. I am confused about the "stolen airline tickets". The tickets were bought on Ramsey Outdoor's credit, and then they filed for bankruptcy. The lender would be owed for the money that was used to buy them (and erased by the bankruptcy), but the tickets were paid for. This doesn't make them "stolen", and I don't understand how it would be a crime unless Davey reported them as stolen from his store. I know Pussy tipped off the FBI agent about them. But I still don't see how they would become stolen property. Since they were bought using the credit of the store they were purposely bankrupting. They are embezzling from the store.
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bobkatt013 posted:Since they were bought using the credit of the store they were purposely bankrupting. They are embezzling from the store. I understand that. I suppose the were expecting to be able to use Pussy's testimony to connect the dots because otherwise it seems like they have too little evidence to move forward with this charge. But then again I don't know the intricacies of the RICO Act.
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Tony and Carm talking about the donation to Meadow's college Tony: Those Jews are holding her hostage Carmela: There Italian Tony: Jews with better food.
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The Wire is the better show, Tony Soprano is the best character...that's a pretty good summary in my opinion. To be fair to all those amazing characters in Wire, of course, if any show focused on them in the same extent, they would probably get the same.
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The closest you get to a full character arc in The Wire is probably bubbles or McNulty, but yeah Tony wins simply because he was the main focus. In overall character development I think The Wire takes it. I dont want to spoiler things for anyone who hasn't seen The Wire but it's pretty incredible.
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MrBling posted:I completely forgot how stupid AJ got in season 6. I love how he got shitcanned from Blockbuster for taking movie displays.
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haljordan posted:I love how he got shitcanned from Blockbuster for taking movie displays. Oh so I guess you don't give a poo poo about the environment  . Do you even know how much Cristal costs?
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I wanted to murder that kid. BUT I'M DEPRESSED I CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT MOM'S COOKING Should have made that rope just a little bit shorter.
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Man, the funniest thing about the whole Tony coma storyline is that Paulie of all people managed to get through to Tony and he just wants him to shut the gently caress up.
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captainOrbital posted:I wanted to murder that kid. Or he could've grabbed one of the dozen guns lying around the house and just done it the right way.
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MrBling posted:Man, the funniest thing about the whole Tony coma storyline is that Paulie of all people managed to get through to Tony and he just wants him to shut the gently caress up. Look at my arm...like an old lady's oval office!
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captainOrbital posted:Should have made that rope just a little bit shorter. But then who would fly Donald Trumps helicopter to Afghanistan?
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Bonzo posted:Look at my arm...like an old lady's oval office!
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Mar 29, 2012 20:38
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One of my favorite moments is when they find out Livia's dead and Carm's parents shows up while Tony is on the phone with Janice. Carm's Mother: How's Tony taking it? Tony: MOTHER loving BITCH!
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I've always liked in season 3 when Tony confronts Carmela in the driveway about the pulp content of the orange juice. "This says 'with pulp'" "You like it with pulp" "Not this much. I like it when it says 'SOME pulp'" And she responds by throwing the phone at him. Then AJ gets home from his trip to Washington DC and finds the phone in the driveway. "...somebody drop this?" I still find that scene hilarious. EDIT: Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMppEcSRAbM
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Mar 29, 2012 21:27
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"They had Playstation 2 right in the hotel room!"
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My all-time favorite Tony line, by far, is still "DON'T GIVE ME YOUR MANSON LAMPS."
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Gettin mad about chinese food
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zVxTeflon posted:Gettin mad about chinese food Motherfucking Goddamn Orange Peel Beef!! ahahahahaaa
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I loving love this thread. Best show of all time, I have to agree. The Wire is great for the social commentary, but The Sopranos for me is just an infinitely rewatchable masterpiece. Great scene from 105 "College" Carm: There was some ziti, but it all got eaten. Tony: The whole tray, from last Sunday? ... Monsignor Jughead was here. Carm: If you're referring to Father Intintola, then yes.
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Peace Frog posted:I loving love this thread. Best show of all time, I have to agree. The Wire is great for the social commentary, but The Sopranos for me is just an infinitely rewatchable masterpiece.
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