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Selling cheap sports cars does not make money, thats why Toyota only sells bland cars. They created scion to lure younger people into buying toyotas when they grow up.
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Mar 29, 2012 06:45
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I've owned five Toyotas and had crazy brand loyalty but none of that carries over to Scion. Scion just doesn't have any of the image of quality and indestructability that Toyota at least used to have, and the "slap a giant wing and dubs on it, for performance!" crowd that Scion markets to weren't Toyota buyers in the first place.
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Mar 29, 2012 07:21
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my buddy Myles weighs in on the brz: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2331968
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Mar 29, 2012 07:41
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mattmofob posted:Selling cheap sports cars does not make money, thats why Toyota only sells bland cars. They created scion to lure younger people into buying toyotas when they grow up. Scion definitely makes money (or at least has in the past, right now is kind of A Bad Time for them product-wise), but I agree that I doubt the FT will make any money whatsoever. The bar is so low for the FT in terms of sales for Scion that it would have to crater worse than any car that's been released in North America in recent history, which is probably not going to happen. Worst comes to worst, they drop MSRP by a grand, take a slightly larger hit on it and get a low enough positioning below the BRZ that non-loyalists won't be able to ignore $2000-$25000 on the hood.
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Mar 29, 2012 12:44
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jamal posted:my buddy Myles weighs in on the brz: I like that the first reply is "very well written review" on a post that would probably get you probated here.
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Mar 29, 2012 12:47
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BoostCreep posted:I'd buy the Scion over the Subaru because of no haggle pricing and it's cheaper. I'm sure at least some other people feel the same way. I bought a new tC in 2005 and the entire process was so incredibly painless that it'd be a pleasure to buy another Scion. Me too. For me it was this:  Hay guys! :catfishrazz: Also being able to get one without a nav system is a big deal to me. You guys did a decent job of talking me out of blindly hating Scion for their offensive stupid marketing. If only either company offered a pepper white. 
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Mar 29, 2012 13:56
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The 86's aren't exactly common knowledge right now outside of the enthusiast crowd. Despite this a whole shitload of them have been bought up already. The FR-S is supposed to be twice as common as the BRZ, so my bet is that a lot of the people that won't find out about the cars until they're actually on the streets and have marketing campaigns are going to end up buying the FR-S just because they're going to have a hard time finding a BRZ.
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Mar 29, 2012 14:36
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I could see Lexus doing a flat 6 turbo version of this car. They would have to soften up the suspension so the 1%ers balls are cushioned properly.
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Mar 29, 2012 15:38
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jamal posted:my buddy Myles weighs in on the brz: Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Mar 29, 2012 |
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Mar 29, 2012 16:05
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Elephanthead posted:I could see Lexus doing a flat 6 turbo version of this car. They would have to soften up the suspension so the 1%ers balls are cushioned properly. Are you high?
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Mar 29, 2012 16:28
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Elephanthead posted:I could see Lexus doing a flat 6 turbo version of this car. They would have to soften up the suspension so the 1%ers balls are cushioned properly. There is about zero percent chance of this happening. This car is way too small to be a Lexus..among a lot of other things.
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Mar 29, 2012 16:55
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Are you high? Alright, the turbo flat six was kind of ridiculous, but I could see Lexus offering a variant of this platform with a V6. The SC has grown into a geriatric land barge, so they need something a bit more sporty to counter-act that. Since the IS is definitely targeting the 3 series crowd, this could give them a great Z4 fighter.
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Mar 29, 2012 17:22
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Are you high? Someone at Lexus decided the CT250h was a good idea, anything is possible.
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Mar 29, 2012 17:39
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I don't even think an inline 4 would fit. The most they could do would be to turbocharge it and upgrade its internals. But, they are working on a roadster version, so I could see that being a Lexus going after the Z4 crowd.
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Mar 29, 2012 17:41
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How about an inline 4 as in a quad-rotor Wankel? 
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Mar 29, 2012 18:00
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I will bet you a poo poo load of money we'll never see this as a Lexus. I don't think it fits with the brand's direction whatsoever.
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Mar 29, 2012 18:04
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Well, we won't have to wait too long for your to pay-out. The rumor was (years ago) that Lexus would use a stretched version of the platform for the next IS. The next generation IS should be announced pretty soon, seeing as the current version is going on seven years old.
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Mar 29, 2012 18:16
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Neither a V6 nor an I-4 would fit into that hood. I'm sure a turbo boxer-4 will be good enough for the lifespan of this particular model, going by the power changes in the 944 and Rx-7s.
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Mar 29, 2012 18:27
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oRenj9 posted:Well, we won't have to wait too long for your to pay-out. The rumor was (years ago) that Lexus would use a stretched version of the platform for the next IS. The next generation IS should be announced pretty soon, seeing as the current version is going on seven years old. I'm pretty sure an unrecognizable platform-shared four door doesn't cause me to pay out on this one.
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Mar 29, 2012 18:28
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I am going to post the smug smile when the new IS clown shoe corrollaru with no back seat is for sale. No I am not high, I am naturally immune to logic.
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Mar 29, 2012 18:46
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Wrong Thread, hurf
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Mar 29, 2012 18:55
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kimbo305 posted:Neither a V6 nor an I-4 would fit into that hood. I'm sure a turbo boxer-4 will be good enough for the lifespan of this particular model, going by the power changes in the 944 and Rx-7s. a v8 does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5JvTiLxY1A&feature=related
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Mar 29, 2012 18:55
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I'm pretty sure an unrecognizable platform-shared four door doesn't cause me to pay out on this one. Stretching this platform won't make it unrecognizable, there are lots of cars where coupes and sedans share the same platform (3 series, Golf/Jetta, Accord, etc). Plus, the IS exists in a coupe and convertible form right now, seeing as we already know that the FT is getting a convertible, it is possible that Lexus will use the exact same platform with a different engine for those variants.
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Mar 29, 2012 19:53
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If they do make a convertible version it better be 2 seats only
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Mar 29, 2012 19:54
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Nodoze posted:If they do make a convertible version it better be 2 seats only Four seats!  Those seats are dog seats anyways, and dogs love convertibles.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:06
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oRenj9 posted:Stretching this platform won't make it unrecognizable, there are lots of cars where coupes and sedans share the same platform (3 series, Golf/Jetta, Accord, etc). Plus, the IS exists in a coupe and convertible form right now, seeing as we already know that the FT is getting a convertible, it is possible that Lexus will use the exact same platform with a different engine for those variants. Golf and Jetta don't share a platform. You're telling me that a 180in OAL sedan running on a 107.5" wheelbase is either a) going to turn in to something built on a 101.2" wheelbase intended for a 166" OAL or b) that the 101.2" wheelbase toyobaru platform is going to grow to 108" without significant changes. It's like speculating that Acura would build something on the S2K platform. It ain't gonna happen. For reference, the E90 coupe was 181.9" on a 108.7" WB and the sedan was 178.2" on the same wheelbase.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:08
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Golf and Jetta don't share a platform. They sure do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_A_platform#A5 e:  Well Then. I Stand Corrected. \/\/\/
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Mar 29, 2012 21:16
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The NCS platform is a derivative of the PQ35 platform but they're not The Same. edit: if you're going off of that wikipedia article PQ46 is a derivative so basically all VW passenger cars are the same platform, which is fine... but then you'd have to consider the toyobaru to be on the same platform as the Impreza, which I personally would not. It's all semantics about derivatives etc. edit2: as far as I'm concerned, once you start changing wheelbase, you have a derivative platform, which I'd consider separate. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 29, 2012 |
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Mar 29, 2012 21:32
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I like that the first reply is "very well written review" on a post that would probably get you probated here. I thought it was a decent review. Self-indulgent and too verbose, but not terrible.
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Mar 29, 2012 22:18
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aventari posted:I thought it was a decent review. Self-indulgent and too verbose, but not terrible. It was a fine review with a little too much minutiae for me, but I was more referring to the word salad and profligate ellipses and such. Well written just wasn't what came to mind. It was more a commentary on how good posting in AI tends to be 
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Mar 29, 2012 22:25
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Edit: none Toyotabaru discussion removed.
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Mar 29, 2012 22:35
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kimbo305 posted:Neither a V6 nor an I-4 would fit into that hood. Didn't stop BMW with their V8 M3s. 
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Mar 29, 2012 23:09
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sanchez posted:Someone at Lexus decided the CT250h was a good idea, anything is possible. Lexus doesn't just sell one entry-level hybrid with an incoherent name, they have two: HS250h and CT200h. Maybe a legitimate sports car, say a 2-seat roadster version of the FR-S, isn't a stretch for the brand, but they would probably find some way to ruin it anyway.
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Mar 30, 2012 04:16
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Sockington posted:Didn't stop BMW with their V8 M3s. They  bulged that hood a bit, though. I assumed they'd have to dome the nice low hood to get it to a factory acceptable mounting position. Isn't this one:jamal posted:a v8 does
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Mar 30, 2012 04:29
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jamal posted:a v8 does ..if you hack the firewall to bits you can fit anything....
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Mar 30, 2012 05:40
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You can get away with a lot of poo poo when you don't have to worry about those pesky safety and environmental regulations.
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Mar 30, 2012 05:54
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Just as an interesting point on the issue of can such a high CR engine safely be boosted - the blown 2GR in the JDM Toyota Mark X (which may or may not have been internally identical to the one in teh TRD Aurion) ran an 11.8:1 CR
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Mar 30, 2012 07:18
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:edit2: as far as I'm concerned, once you start changing wheelbase, you have a derivative platform, which I'd consider separate. I'll be a dick & disagree - the auris & avensis we make are on the same platform with a 4"ish wheelbase difference. The underbody is identical except the centre tunnel/front floor pans/front side rockers are shorter. All made on the same tooling too. You can't argue thats not the same platform with a different wheelbase.
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Mar 30, 2012 07:24
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I'd say it's about what they want to do with it. Would you call the new Mini Clubman the same platform as the regular? Either way, it didn't really offer the same fun. Likewise, who knows how different a stretched FT86 chassis would be.
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Welp, now I want an AWD BRZ limo with a V8 in it, thanks guys.
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