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Dominion posted:Personal Responsibility begins at conception. I've seen people say that while it isn't your fault, it is your parents fault for not considering the possibility of a child being born with a physical or mental issue. Basically that it's immoral (or at the very least, irresponsible) to have kids if you can't afford to pay any birth-related medical bills for life.
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Countblanc posted:I've seen people say that while it isn't your fault, it is your parents fault for not considering the possibility of a child being born with a physical or mental issue. Basically that it's immoral (or at the very least, irresponsible) to have kids if you can't afford to pay any birth-related medical bills for life. Poor people shouldn't have kids because they can't afford to take care of them properly. Abortions should be illegal, those unborn babies deserve a fair chance at life. Birth control shouldn't be covered under health insurance, that goes against my beliefs. It's like the circle of horribleness or something.
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# ? Mar 30, 2012 20:50 |
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Mo_Steel posted:The article you're thinking of is probably this one which compares intergenerational occupation, income and wealth changes in the United States and those rates against a few international comparisons near the end. He's now claiming that "hard work = success" is not what he's arguing, which doesn't really make sense. I mean, he never explicitly stated as such, but I've been arguing "hard work != success" and he's been saying that I'm wrong, so what else was I suppose to conclude? I'm wondering if he doesn't actually understand what his position is. That article isn't what I saw before, but it is fantastic. Thanks for the link.
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# ? Mar 30, 2012 20:56 |
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I would in the medical field, and yes, we ask you for ID when you come in. It's so we can bill you or your insurance, not to make sure you are a citizen.
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# ? Mar 30, 2012 21:17 |
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synthetik posted:I would in the medical field, and yes, we ask you for ID when you come in. It's so we can bill you or your insurance, not to make sure you are a citizen. So what happens if you can't produce any ID, either because you don't have one or because you were injured when you weren't carrying it and were rushed straight to the hospital?
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# ? Mar 30, 2012 21:25 |
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jojoinnit posted:So what happens if you can't produce any ID, either because you don't have one or because you were injured when you weren't carrying it and were rushed straight to the hospital? As I understand it, here in the US you cannot be turned away from a hospital for emergency care. That rushed straight to the hospital thing is obviously an extenuating circumstance. Edit: jojoinnit posted:I think that should work. Will you post her response? (There won't be one because she doesn't want a debate she wants you to agree with her)
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# ? Mar 30, 2012 23:10 |
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In another effort to weed out my Facebook friends list I just updated my status update that all Baby Boomers should be put on an island and murdered. Hoping for a melt down so I can delete people. Got any other good updates for me? (This seems like a good thread to find a wedge issue.)
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# ? Mar 31, 2012 02:13 |
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Defensive reply ahoy!quote:Well, I guess I should never pass on things that people send me, as someone always seems to have a way to prove me wrong. Sorry. This isn't the first time someone from church has let me know about something I passed on. Thank you.
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ultimateforce posted:In another effort to weed out my Facebook friends list I just updated my status update that all Baby Boomers should be put on an island and murdered. Hoping for a melt down so I can delete people. Trolling your friends list to clean it out? This seems rather counterproductive. I don't necessarily agree with all of the people on my facebook, but I'd rather have them on the friends list. At least then someone is refuting their bullshit. It's not about persuading them, it's for those watching.
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Nth Doctor posted:Defensive reply ahoy! "I guess I should never pass on things that people send me" If only people actually learned this lesson
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# ? Mar 31, 2012 05:33 |
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myron cope posted:"I guess I should never pass on things that people send me" She wanted to be part of that 86% though! They seem like cool people. Aside from the xenophobia.
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# ? Mar 31, 2012 05:36 |
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Nth Doctor posted:Defensive reply ahoy! Reply: "Probably"
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# ? Mar 31, 2012 05:37 |
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jojoinnit posted:So what happens if you can't produce any ID, either because you don't have one or because you were injured when you weren't carrying it and were rushed straight to the hospital? It was kind of answered, but I work for a lab. You would only come to see me if a test had been ordered by a doctor, we don't do walk-ins, check-ups, or emergency service. If you are coming to see me, you need to have your blood drawn, are taking a drug test for employment, or something similar. Someone has to pay for the tests that we are running, and we have to verify the identity of the person that is having the work done. This helps us cut down on insurance fraud, medicare fraud, and people taking drug tests for friends.
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Pedestrian Xing posted:"Easiest illustration of National Health Care. This kind of slipped by but I love how the pretzels the writer twists himself into trying to avoid that the ultimate answer to Paul is "Drive yourself into crippling debt that you will never recover from or lay down and die". The fact he claims its like taking a home loan is such a perfect example. "Why, you're right, I should take out the second equivalent of a home loan, that will definitely not seriously damage my standard of living or bankrupt me."
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Nth Doctor posted:Defensive reply ahoy! I just realized, you just ruined a perfectly good opportunity to start spreading the most crazy and bogus forwards through her. You could have just kept pushing the envelope further and further into crazy-town to see what she would forward. Heck, maybe one or two would have made their way back to you eventually. Send her something like this instead: A lot of e-mails like this are usually bogus and if you're worried about anyone e-mailing back to tell you it's wrong, you can do a quick check at a site like snopes.com to make sure the e-mail you just opened isn't made up. Snopes is really great for those "too good to be true" type e-mails and stories that are partially true, because they point out what is made up but also what is true, often giving you links to the original news articles.
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zeroprime posted:I just realized, you just ruined a perfectly good opportunity to start spreading the most crazy and bogus forwards through her. You could have just kept pushing the envelope further and further into crazy-town to see what she would forward. Heck, maybe one or two would have made their way back to you eventually.
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zeroprime posted:I just realized, you just ruined a perfectly good opportunity to start spreading the most crazy and bogus forwards through her. You could have just kept pushing the envelope further and further into crazy-town to see what she would forward. Heck, maybe one or two would have made their way back to you eventually. Snopes is funded by uber-Leftist Marxist Billionaires like George Soros!
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Nth Doctor posted:Defensive reply ahoy! Actually, I think this is the wrong lesson to learn. Rather than simply not forwarding things, the right thing to learn would be not to believe dumb email forwards. Then, as a consequence of that, she shouldn't forward them. Reposting something that's wrong and getting corrected is way more embarrassing than just receiving the forward and quietly believing it. But at the same time, the former is also way more productive.
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# ? Mar 31, 2012 18:27 |
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I guess this has been floating around the internet for a while, but I just saw it today on Facebook:quote:It's interesting how history often parallels the present. Sometimes in good ways, sometimes not. Our future history has yet to be decided... Actual 25 Points: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/1708-ps.asp auf Deutsch: http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/dokumente/nsdap25/index.html
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Z-Magic posted:Snopes is funded by uber-Leftist Marxist Billionaires like George Soros! Everything that contradicts my world view is
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# ? Apr 1, 2012 11:39 |
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I posted that chart about Years The U.S.A. Has Been At War Since 1776 on my Facebook with a comment saying "This is why we can't have nice things like UHC." I woke up this morning to this comment and I have no idea how to refute it. Facebook friend posted: "If you shut down all of the federal Government and Stopped paying for all congress, soldiers, buildings, wars, IRS, courts, prisons, forest service, national parks, dept of agriculture, FDA, every little agency and department it still doesn't add up to the cost of entitlement programs we have in the US. Welfare, medicare, medicade are unsustainable as long as they dont teach people to wean themselves off of the big Gov tit. Entitlement programs have been around long enough to see that poverty and wellness have not improved from government influence. In fact they have been shown to make things worse by subsidizing poor life decisions and putting others on the hook for them. It is unsustainable. We are resistance trained beings. That means that strength comes from effort not programs and pills. They are buying votes and killing freedom. Don't think I'm any more pleased with republicans. Its a dog and pony show on both sides."
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# ? Apr 1, 2012 14:12 |
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Sorry Grandma, welcome to the Thunder Dome.
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# ? Apr 1, 2012 14:27 |
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Mo_Steel posted:The article you're thinking of is probably this one which compares intergenerational occupation, income and wealth changes in the United States and those rates against a few international comparisons near the end. Clearly the welfare state has crippled young black entrepreneurs. If only we eliminated food stamps, then they would surely thrive.
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MadcapLaughs posted:I posted that chart about Years The U.S.A. Has Been At War Since 1776 on my Facebook with a comment saying "This is why we can't have nice things like UHC." I woke up this morning to this comment and I have no idea how to refute it. You don't have to refute anything until he actually comes up with some sources.
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VideoTapir posted:Everything that contradicts my world view is quote:A LIBERAL COVER-UP THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT!!!!
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quote:580 and 611 are both three digit numbers in the base 10 numbering system.
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# ? Apr 1, 2012 15:27 |
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Maybe a schizophrenic 68 year old.
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MadcapLaughs posted:I posted that chart about Years The U.S.A. Has Been At War Since 1776 on my Facebook with a comment saying "This is why we can't have nice things like UHC." I woke up this morning to this comment and I have no idea how to refute it. Right from the start they are wrong mentioning soldiers as US defence spending accounts for over half the budget. Send them here to hopefully make them understand that socio-economic goes beyond "poor decisions". Ask them why they aren't a millionaire/billionaire, since it's simply down to effort?
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American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer has decided to write the 10 commandments of the Liberal/Muslim/Sharia/Democrat/Obamaquote:These new commandments must be obeyed, and those who flout them will receive the most severe and unyielding punishments, including censure, excommunication, (say, from graduate counseling programs), and fines in the forms of legal fees to the secular imams at the ACLU. Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Apr 1, 2012 |
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MadcapLaughs posted:I posted that chart about Years The U.S.A. Has Been At War Since 1776 on my Facebook with a comment saying "This is why we can't have nice things like UHC." I woke up this morning to this comment and I have no idea how to refute it. Security and administrative costs for 2012 are somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.3 tillion dollars and the projected budget deficit is about 1.1 trillion dollars. Tell him to source his claim and explain if he's talking about discretionary spending, mandatory spending, or the sum total of both. Also point out that it's good to run deficit spending during a recession, money is paid into things like unemployment insurance and welfare when we're doing well so that there is something to support us if the bottom falls out (and the bottom really fell out just before the last presidential election). If they try to use the tortured home budget metaphor, point out that when there is a sudden emergency sometimes you have to go into debt to cover the emergency expenses, but once you're better you can pay off those emergency costs.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer has decided to write the 10 commandments of the Liberal/Muslim/Sharia/Democrat/Obama Wow in addition to being stupid, these are also poorly written. "You shall have no gods period. Except 2." I think you could have structured that one better.
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modig posted:Wow in addition to being stupid, these are also poorly written. We're not allowed to worship the Christian God any more, only the Moon god Allah. Yes, Moon god.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer has decided to write the 10 commandments of the Liberal/Muslim/Sharia/Democrat/Obama Hahaha he is angry at Obama for being Too Atheist and Too Muslim at the same time, I don't get it
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Hahaha he is angry at Obama for being Too Atheist and Too Muslim at the same time, I don't get it Read: not Christian enough. Read: black.
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MadcapLaughs posted:Entitlement programs have been around long enough to see that poverty and wellness have not improved from government influence. In fact they have been shown to make things worse by subsidizing poor life decisions and putting others on the hook for them. I mean is is so laughably false and dumb I don't even know where to start. You should ask the to verify this with any facts. Also the idea that people are poor because of "life decisions" is ridiculously evil.
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quote:Observe Halloween, Labor Day and Martin Luther King, Jr. Day as holy days. Christmas, Easter, and Thanksgiving, on the other hand, must be wiped off school calendars as if they never existed. Oh, unions and black people. My bad. And who the hell wipes off Christmas/Easter/Thanksgiving from the calendar? They may be called "winter" or "spring" break but they still coincide with your Christian holidays
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euphronius posted:I mean is is so laughably false and dumb I don't even know where to start. You should ask the to verify this with any facts. Also the idea that people are poor because of "life decisions" is ridiculously evil. That's the first thing I called him out on. Thanks for the help guys. We'll see if he responds to any of it.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Hahaha he is angry at Obama for being Too Atheist and Too Muslim at the same time, I don't get it He is a practitioner of AtheIslam, or a secular huMuslim.
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# ? Apr 1, 2012 20:45 |
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myron cope posted:What's wrong with Labor Day or MLK Day? I assumed the argument was that religious holidays don't get mentioned in schools (Because it's exclusionary) and "Secular" holidays are. But when did Thanksgiving turn into a religious holiday? I know it has religious practices but it's an American holiday it didn't come from the Vatican or something. I still see thanksgiving on school calendars.
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So I am having a conversation on Facebook with a relative. He keeps saying I am demonizing success because I want capital gains taxes, income tax, and Tariffs increased. I tried to explain to him that no, I don't have success and instead want a better economy, and since the top companies in the USA are hording vast amounts of wealth and profit while employment is still pretty terrible, that if we taxed these companies, and invested the money wisely (key word.) that more people with more money and better access to food and medicine = more money for more companies and less crime/poverty. His response was "those people earned their success and we have no say on what they do with their money." I don't think I can reason him out of this position because he didn't reason himself into it. Am I right about this?
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