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Boneless Jogger: Apr 20, 2010

Midnight Raider posted:

I know I keep running into this argument as well.. I know Hussie has said that Vriska and Mindfang were genetically identical, in one of his posts talking about her, citing it as a reasonable assumption that Mindfang shows what Vriska would be like if she had grown up in the terrible pirate days. Maybe it was during a post talking about the early Mindfang journal updates.

I just can't for the life of me find the post in question.

I think you were thinking of this, which doesn't actually say they're genetically identical:

Andrew's old Formspring posted:

How much of the journal was real and how much was MM's self-insert fiction?

All of it was an accurate historical account of events from her perspective. She does not need to embellish on anything because she is the real deal. A very successful and nefarious troll pirate who exploits her powers in battle and romance.

This is one of those things that is equal parts serious and silly (well ok maybe not totally equal). It is in part serious in the sense that you can view it totally straight and read it as a series of events that literally happened, and has implications for the story. It is also in part COMPLETELY loving RIDICULOUS because you are truly, literally reading an excerpt of trashy romance, involving pirates like some Fabio novel, all parsed through a grim troll culture and the strange multi-dimensionality of troll romance.

Once all the dust WTF settles, you can look at it from a variety of angles.

Since this is the ancestor Vriska idolizes, this is probably the exact type of character she'd grow up to be, if left unfettered in troll society. If there is any departure in her inclinations, this is the template she is departing from. We've already seen her try to do her Mindfang impression a few times with mixed results. She tried to get Tavros to kiss her with mind control, but couldn't go through with it.

When put into the perspective of more severe adult troll attitudes, I think it helps make everything the trolls have done so far seem more childish in retrospect. It was hard to gauge, because adult troll life was completely abstract. Hearing a little from one adult's perspective through this romfic shows how big the gap was between their youthful antics and what they were really trying to become.

It also puts a little perspective on why certain relationships are the way they are, seeing how their ancestral counterparts interacted (in this case, Vriska and Eridan, whose ancestor was Dualscar, which was the name of his RP character as well). But we still only have the one example to go on so far.

And on the topic of Vriska reading this thing for inspiration, to me it's kind of got the feel of a cross between a kid learning about a relative she looks up to, delighting in reading some unapologetically trashy romance novel, AND the troll equivalent of stumbling on her parent's porn stash. Which is not to say the entire journal is full of smut. But hey, there it is.

And lastly, you can look at the log as further insight into the nature of troll romance, their near-universal bisexuality, their apparently casual attitudes toward the multiple partners the quadrants demand, the tension surrounding the potential of hopping quadrants and the meaning of envy in this regard, an element of mysterious affection that still seems to surround the hate-based black relationships, and a certain degree of open promiscuity implied by the actions here. IF YOU CARE!

# ? Mar 31, 2012 11:08

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# ? May 10, 2024 01:23

ShardPhoenix: Jun 15, 2001; Pickle: Inspected.

Supercar Gautier posted:

Scratches work by swapping which ectobabies are sent to the coordinates the players are supposed to arrive at. Because of that, identical clones don't make a lot of sense, because swapping a baby Vriska with an identical clone of baby Vriska wouldn't do poo poo to alter history or the session.

Good point. Also, we know that the kid's/guardians aren't identical, so it seems reasonable that the trolls wouldn't be either.

edit: though I guess A2 would have been different anyway due to Scratch's interference.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 11:45

Bobulus: Jan 28, 2007

Supercar Gautier posted:

Scratches work by swapping which ectobabies are sent to the coordinates the players are supposed to arrive at. Because of that, identical clones don't make a lot of sense, because swapping a baby Vriska with an identical clone of baby Vriska wouldn't do poo poo to alter history or the session.

There are other ways the a reset universe could change, even with identical ancestors:

- As mentioned, interference throughout the troll history from Doc Scratch, the Horrorterror he planted in Alternia's ocean, and the Handmaiden.
- Put the players down in different places or different times (like Roxy and Dirk showing up way later than Rose and Dave did)
- Randomize their titles/classes?

# ? Mar 31, 2012 12:50

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Bobulus posted:

There are other ways the a reset universe could change, even with identical ancestors:

- As mentioned, interference throughout the troll history from Doc Scratch, the Horrorterror he planted in Alternia's ocean, and the Handmaiden.
- Put the players down in different places or different times (like Roxy and Dirk showing up way later than Rose and Dave did)
- Randomize their titles/classes?

The first point wouldn't be it, since Doc Scratch is a result of the Scratch's changes in the first place (if everything else was identical then A2 would have the same first guardian code as A1, which would mean the same first guardian as A1).

Second point is plausible, but I'm not sure about the third. There's no evidence to suggest the scratch does any randomising there.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 14:00

Boneless Jogger: Apr 20, 2010

Ammat The Ankh posted:

The worst part is that I honestly can see this happening.

Come on Hussie, resist the urge to add in more ancillary characters (and make more panels involving throwing Slick off things)!

Forgot to mention this earlier, but while I'm not sure Andrew would introduce all of the A1's ancestors I'm thinking that he probably will give more info on A1 Karkat at least. If only to explain the Cancer symbol necklace Aranea has. It seems unlikely to me, but I guess that could be for the A1 equivalent to the Signless though.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 14:35

Pessimism: Aug 2, 2005; You can find this and other great titles at your local library

Boneless Jogger posted:

Forgot to mention this earlier, but while I'm not sure Andrew would introduce all of the A1's ancestors I'm thinking that he probably will give more info on A1 Karkat at least. If only to explain the Cancer symbol necklace Aranea has. It seems unlikely to me, but I guess that could be for the A1 equivalent to the Signless though.

She did say she watched the whole A2 history play out. Maybe the necklace is just a fangirl thing she materialized after she died. Or maybe it's just her way of showing support for her coplayer's scratched counterpart. Who knows? I have a feeling it'll come up though.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 14:56

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

I'm betting on LE killing Hussie's self-insert, ending the wacky self-insert shenenigans and the self-aware comedy narration.

Homestuck's always been bracketed with comedy meta-commentary which intentionally softens and diminishes drama. Hussie appears to like a genuinely dramatic climax in his stories, though (even if the killing blow is landed by, say, a handful of candy corn), so a great way to achieve that in Homestuck is to have Lord English start killing parts of the comic itself.

It fits in well with the nature of Homestuck, which has always reached far beyond the basic comic format to tell the story. Scratch's shenenigans were a good example of this, but Scratch was sort of foppish and silly, he had a disarming sort of demeanour that worked well with his goals (biding his time to create Lord English). Now that the final boss is here, though, he's going to start tearing the universe - even the narrative universe - apart with brute force, and it's going to build dread.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 15:21

Mazerunner: Apr 22, 2010; Good Hunter, what... what is this post?

Dolash posted:

I'm betting on LE killing Hussie's self-insert, ending the wacky self-insert shenenigans and the self-aware comedy narration.

Homestuck's always been bracketed with comedy meta-commentary which intentionally softens and diminishes drama. Hussie appears to like a genuinely dramatic climax in his stories, though (even if the killing blow is landed by, say, a handful of candy corn), so a great way to achieve that in Homestuck is to have Lord English start killing parts of the comic itself.

It fits in well with the nature of Homestuck, which has always reached far beyond the basic comic format to tell the story. Scratch's shenenigans were a good example of this, but Scratch was sort of foppish and silly, he had a disarming sort of demeanour that worked well with his goals (biding his time to create Lord English). Now that the final boss is here, though, he's going to start tearing the universe - even the narrative universe - apart with brute force, and it's going to build dread.

I could see Lord English taking control of the website like Scratch did too. Like there was Scratch.php, there'd be an English.php, with LE moving around and destroying the layout of the actual webpage or something.

Like want to check out the maps? oh poo poo LE's there and he's rearranging Act 3 and replaced Act 5.1 with pictures of the Felt crew. Or whatever.

And then, gently caress I dunno make a mini-game where the reader is helping to fight LE? Kind of hokey but I'm no creative genius.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 15:50

Thundarr: Dec 24, 2002

Mazerunner posted:

And then, gently caress I dunno make a mini-game where the reader is helping to fight LE? Kind of hokey but I'm no creative genius.

Reader suggestions will be opened up again, and Act 7 will be a Problem Sleuth-style end boss fight. It will last for 5,000 pages.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 15:53

Boneless Jogger: Apr 20, 2010

Thundarr posted:

Reader suggestions will be opened up again, and Act 7 will be a Problem Sleuth-style end boss fight. It will last for 5,000 pages.

There will be so many team poses, you don't even know.

Edit: Since I haven't seen anyone post about it, looks like the fan album MIGHT be out by Monday:

Andrew Hussie posted:

I think maybe the album will be out monday? I don�t really know if the �things� will be done by then, but we were talking about it as sort of a come hell or high water date.

Man, if this turns out to be another lie, people are going to be so pissed at me and Radiation. Probably mostly Radiation though. He is like my secret service agent of fan rage. Pretty much the main reason I hired him.

Boneless Jogger fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 31, 2012

# ? Mar 31, 2012 15:58

Spellman: May 31, 2011

Dolash posted:

I'm betting on LE killing Hussie's self-insert, ending the wacky self-insert shenenigans and the self-aware comedy narration.

Alternatively,

# ? Mar 31, 2012 16:54

GloriousDemon: May 1, 2009

>Hussie: Get killed by Lord English.

Lord English can't kill you. Because you were dead all along.
We are all completely blown away by this stunning revelation.
Wow. Dead. Really? Like a ghost?

Huh.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 18:33

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

I doubt being dead would stop Lord English from killing you further. Whatever's jeopardizing the dream bubbles/horror terrors is probably going to spring from him.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 18:51

Blood Nightmaster: Sep 6, 2011; “また遊んであげるわ！”

GloriousDemon posted:

>Hussie: Get killed by Lord English.

Lord English can't kill you. Because you were dead all along.
We are all completely blown away by this stunning revelation.
Wow. Dead. Really? Like a ghost?

Huh.

Well his eyes have been conspicuously blank since the very beginning :v:

(or should I say :ghost:

)

# ? Mar 31, 2012 19:06

JT Jag: Aug 30, 2009; #1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

Hussie is dead and the entirety of Homestuck is his dreambubble.

This revelation is the last page of the comic.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 21:14

Bobulus: Jan 28, 2007

Blood Nightmaster posted:

Well his eyes have been conspicuously blank since the very beginning (or should I say )

Don't forget he also "possessed" the Hussiebot like Ghost-Aradia did her Aradiabot.

Counterpoint: able to touch stuff

# ? Mar 31, 2012 21:33

graybook: Oct 10, 2011; pinya~

JT Jag posted:

Hussie is dead and the entirety of Homestuck is his dreambubble.

This revelation is the last page of the comic.

And then pullback to Tommy Westphall.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 21:56

Bobulus: Jan 28, 2007

graybook posted:

And then pullback to Tommy Westphall.

I think an autistic kid watching Andrew Hussie all day every day might be the only thing too meta for this comic.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 22:02

Elysiume: Aug 13, 2009; Alone, she fights.

Bobulus posted:

I think an autistic kid watching Andrew Hussie all day every day might be the only thing too meta for this comic.

The autistic kid is us.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 22:13

Tollymain: Jul 9, 2010; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Huh. Guess Hussie just...
:c00l:

flipped Slick off.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 22:17

Boneless Jogger: Apr 20, 2010

graybook posted:

And then pullback to Tommy Westphall.

I glanced at this and thought it said Tommy Wiseau at first. The rest of the comic will consist of an awkward game of catch the football between Wiseau and Hussie.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 22:18

Pretzel Rod Serling: Aug 6, 2008

Roger Explosion posted:

It's okay. It appears Lord English can't fit through the hall doorway.

I would be SO happy if they defeated Lord English by getting him stuck on level geometry

# ? Mar 31, 2012 23:01

Color Printer: May 9, 2011; You get used to it. I don't
even see the code. All I see
is Ipecac, Scapular, Polyphemus...

Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:

I would be SO happy if they defeated Lord English by getting him stuck on level geometry

It would be the best callback ever. :allears:

Though he would be more likely to get stuck on space-time geometry.

# ? Mar 31, 2012 23:28

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; Clapping Larry

E: I was beaten!

Nate RFB fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Apr 1, 2012

# ? Apr 1, 2012 00:10

H.R. Hufflepuff: Aug 5, 2005; The worst of all worlds

Guys, I think we might be done with Hussie's adventures for now. After all, it's April Fools tomorrow, and there's a proud tradition to uphold.

Clearly it's time to find out the details behind Beta-John's death.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 01:25

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

Boneless Jogger posted:

I glanced at this and thought it said Tommy Wiseau at first. The rest of the comic will consist of an awkward game of catch the football between Wiseau and Hussie.

"What a story, Andrew!"

# ? Apr 1, 2012 02:45

Mystic Mongol: Jan 5, 2007; Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.; College Slice

H.R. Hufflepuff posted:

Guys, I think we might be done with Hussie's adventures for now. After all, it's April Fools tomorrow, and there's a proud tradition to uphold.

Clearly it's time to find out the details behind Beta-John's death.

What has he done in the past?

# ? Apr 1, 2012 03:26

HelloIAmYourHeart: Dec 29, 2008; Fallen Rib

I have a suspicion that the Thief of Life isn't actually going to be Meenah. That just seems too...straightforward...for Homestuck.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 03:33

Rohan Kishibe: Oct 29, 2011; Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Mystic Mongol posted:

What has he done in the past?

April fools day 2010 was [s]Dave: Accelerate and March 29 and April 2 2011 were [s]Seer: Descend and the following flash where Slick shows John his stabs.

Man, I guess I've been caught up on Homestuck for about a year :toot:

# ? Apr 1, 2012 03:36

Color Printer: May 9, 2011; You get used to it. I don't
even see the code. All I see
is Ipecac, Scapular, Polyphemus...

Lord English just wants to find the battleship between the walls and gloat to John and Jade about how he's totally unstoppable and poo poo.

And then he'll kill John for kicks, and then resume loving poo poo up throughout time and space.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 03:39

Pessimism: Aug 2, 2005; You can find this and other great titles at your local library

Prison Warden posted:

April fools day 2010 was [s]Dave: Accelerate and March 29 and April 2 2011 were [s]Seer: Descend and the following flash where Slick shows John his stabs.

Man, I guess I've been caught up on Homestuck for about a year

What so they both had to do with John dying? Big deal, like half of this comic is about John dying.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 04:29

Thundarr: Dec 24, 2002

It'd be kind of odd to suddenly jump to John dying so soon after his not-dying.

Though that just makes it even more likely that Hussie will die tomorrow at the hands of LE, in a gloriously choreographed animation.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 04:32

creationist believer: Feb 16, 2007; College Slice

Hussie left his copy of Photoshop open, Lord English will take the opportunity to write in John's death to the latest update.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 04:38

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

John will be shown dying of embarassment upon learning Dave saw him getting kicked in the head by Roxy.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 04:40

Thundarr: Dec 24, 2002

creationist believer posted:

Hussie left his copy of Photoshop open, Lord English will take the opportunity to write in John's death to the latest update.

That would be the most hilarious way for Lord English to seize control over the narrative. Also an effective way to end the story much faster than it seems to be trending towards.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 04:40

Elysiume: Aug 13, 2009; Alone, she fights.

Turned adblock back on for MSPA because someone has an ad with some sort of infected foot in it. Ew.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 05:44

creationist believer: Feb 16, 2007; College Slice

Elysiume posted:

Turned adblock back on for MSPA because someone has an ad with some sort of infected foot in it. Ew.

This comes with the bonus that Adblock seems to be replacing ads with cat pictures for April Fools Day (with the Chrome extension at least)

# ? Apr 1, 2012 05:52

Bobulus: Jan 28, 2007

For people who are bored and want another 'someone reads Homestuck' tumblr, I found another one:

http://imreadingthishomestuckthing.tumblr.com/tagged/homestuck/chrono

He doesn't have quite the quality of analysis that, say, PFS does, but one of his favorite trolls is Tavros and he just got to [S] Wake, so his Vriskarage is palpable. And now all the people watching his tumblr are pelting him with Vriskachat asks. The schadenfreude is wonderful.

He actually got mad enough to draw fanart of himself slapping Vriska. He's soooooo mad. It's hilarious.
http://imreadingthishomestuckthing.tumblr.com/post/20274204573/artists-representation-of-my-pent-up-frustration

# ? Apr 1, 2012 08:12

Hamiltonian Bicycle: Apr 26, 2008; !

Yes, this is pretty much how this confrontation should be going. I do like how LE's canegun doesn't actually fire bullets, apparently. I guess it wouldn't need to.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 10:13

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# ? May 10, 2024 01:23

Luminous Obscurity: Jan 10, 2007; "The instrument you know as a piano was once called a pianoforte, because it can play both loud and quiet notes."

Welp looks like Hussie's hosed.

# ? Apr 1, 2012 10:21

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