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grover posted:More of his insane wealth here: http://inequalityreduced.blogspot.com/2008/12/extreme-wealth.html Actually, I wonder if the guy gets a new palace-jet every few years because they're so tacky and intolerable he can't bear to look at them more than a few times?
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BonzoESC posted:Actually, I wonder if the guy gets a new palace-jet every few years because they're so tacky and intolerable he can't bear to look at them more than a few times? He does, but I think it's more because he can't be hosed cleaning it
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BonzoESC posted:Actually, I wonder if the guy gets a new palace-jet every few years because they're so tacky and intolerable he can't bear to look at them more than a few times?
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grover posted:If those jets are maintained anything like Emirates airline, they spare no expense when they buy it, but then skimp on maintenance and upgrades until it's obsolete/ruined/etc and then buy another.
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BonzoESC posted:That's quite the contrast to the museum pieces United owns.
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What's even more hilarious is they're bringing more out of storage or something to meet demand. Delta's -50s are for the most part 30+ years old.
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grover posted:If those jets are maintained anything like Emirates airline, they spare no expense when they buy it, but then skimp on maintenance and upgrades until it's obsolete/ruined/etc and then buy another. How...why? What?
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Aargh posted:I was watching "the apprentice" once, they showed the interior of trump's jet. It was all mahogony, walnut burl, marble and gold. It was loving hideous. Rich people have no taste. I've been on trumps plane, did some maintenance on it before he sold it recently. The thing had a crazy interior but was in rough shape everywhere else
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Nebakenezzer posted:How...why? Also, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_%28airline%29#Current_passenger_fleet Clearly, the A340 and 777-200 are uneconomical obsolete aircraft that need to be retired from service. I mean, they're, what, 10 years old now? 15? Old poo poo. Phase 'em out! Maybe sell them to Delta so they can stop flying 30-year old DC-9s? grover fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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Every night I pray to the oil fairy for peak oil to kick in. Not because I want my own semi-Dubai nation, Norway, to collapse, but because I want the disgusting, thieving Saudi rule to wither away and die. Content to alleviate communist content, a VTOL ultralight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3yjpX54s_U My take is that if you have 8 small capacity 2-strokes keeping you aloft, the 7-engine landing procedure you learned on your 8-engine checkout will be tested on every flight, apart from those that end in 6 or less. edit: omg it might be 16. Multiply my sarcasm by 2, but leave some leeway for the very smooth controllability. Ola fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 3, 2012 |
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grover posted:
Its more they're replacing those aircraft with larger and/or longer range versions Those US carriers are a bit of an anomaly though, few airlines are flying such old aircraft even short haul. Look at Singapore' Lufthansa or Qantas - their oldest planes are generally 747-400s which are soon to be phased out and 767s which would have already been replaced if the Dreamliner was on time.
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movax posted:I like how it has virtual prayer mats for facing Mecca in a prayer room, despite the fact that everyone on the plane is going to be shitfaced and the dude's going to be swimming in women. Nope, just hot chicks. I know the first female pilot for Prince Al-Waleed. According to her, the selection process for his staff is pretty much how do you look in heels and a D&G skirt. She had a commercial license from Jordan at the time of this article, went to London and failed to convert to JAA. She was sent to Flight Safety with over 400 hours and after evaluation, they told the Prince she was ineligible for an instrument rating because she failed to meet the prerequisite skills to hold a private pilot license. After 8 years on staff, they finally reduced her pay from $9k a month to $5k a month until she has completed her training. They're still paying for all her training and housing on top of her salary though. So yeah, you're just going to be lucky as gently caress to fly that plane.
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This is what an old 707 flight deck looks like.
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HeyEng posted:This is what an old 707 flight deck looks like. I like how the most modern instrumentation in that cockpit looks like the FMS/INS down near those  -as-gently caress throttle levers
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Butt Reactor posted:I like how the most modern instrumentation in that cockpit looks like the FMS/INS down near those That and TCAS. The new poo poo was finally done getting installed early last year I think. Less than 2 years for sure.
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HeyEng posted:This is what an old 707 flight deck looks like. drat, you guys get FMS? Lucky Here's an old C-130 flight deck.  Bigger: http://i.imgur.com/GhrPX.jpg And of course by "old" we mean "old but still in heavy use"
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It's not an FMS. Looks like one but isn't. It's a GINS unit which does GPS/INS nav which can feed that info to the autopilot that can really only fly an orbit. All A/P inputs are done by a small control panel behind the throttles. Up/down roller for altitude, big ol'knob for lateral turns, and obviously throttles. Very limited to a real FMS.
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I remember visiting a simulator, and the fancy new weapons tech they had was a laptop bolted to a fold out tray, because they hadn't actually integrated everything yet. Was pretty hilarious looking, although I have to admit it seemed pretty functional.
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manic mike posted:drat, you guys get FMS? Lucky Ours (NZ) have been upgraded to this  Originally purchased in 1965 they have to last through to at least 2017
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HeyEng posted:It's not an FMS. Looks like one but isn't. It's a GINS unit which does GPS/INS nav which can feed that info to the autopilot that can really only fly an orbit. All A/P inputs are done by a small control panel behind the throttles. Up/down roller for altitude, big ol'knob for lateral turns, and obviously throttles. Oh ok, we have the same type of thing. It's called CANS. Not very fun to operate. Mr. Despair posted:I remember visiting a simulator, and the fancy new weapons tech they had was a laptop bolted to a fold out tray, because they hadn't actually integrated everything yet. We use laptops on a lot of planes. It makes it easier to install new technology without modifying the aircraft. Way cheaper too.
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dissss posted:Ours (NZ) have been upgraded to this Nice, that looks an awful lot like the AMP program C-130s. http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/support/maintenance/c130/index.html
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Assuming everything holds like it was during last year's exercise season (which it should), I will be getting a ride on one of the RAAF's -J models during a Red Flag-Alaska vul in the June exercise. Hopefully I'll take some decent pictures this time; those HUDs are pretty slick.
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dissss posted:Its more they're replacing those aircraft with larger and/or longer range versions
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grover posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_%28airline%29#Current_passenger_fleet Especially with the route structure Emirates has, longer range higher capacity planes are key to maintaining high profitability. They bought the 340 and the 777-2 when those were the highest-cap longest-range airlines on the market. Now that there's something bigger, better and more capable, why wouldn't they invest in lower costs per seat mile when they're able to fill planes easily, and there's a decent market for the 777-2 as a freighter on the used market? Delta's weird. I think they fly the DC-9s because they're paid off and they have some sort of long-term DC-9/MD80 maintenance contract or a warehouse full of parts. They mothballed some A320s from the NWA fleet that were significantly newer.
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BonzoESC posted:Do any other airlines have the same "short haul" profile as US ones? My longest flight over the last three months was six hours MIA-SFO, and none of my other ten trips involved more than one stop (basically 2-3 hours to a hub, then 1-2 hours to destination. The US is a big country with lots of airports and cheap airlines, and if DC-9s and 737-300s work for some airlines, more power to them. I would guess that in Europe especially the route profile is similar but I'm not knowledgeable about domestic Chinese/Russian etc.
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HeyEng posted:It's not an FMS. Looks like one but isn't. It's a GINS unit which does GPS/INS nav which can feed that info to the autopilot that can really only fly an orbit. All A/P inputs are done by a small control panel behind the throttles. Up/down roller for altitude, big ol'knob for lateral turns, and obviously throttles. I don't have enough fingers to count the number of times a guy in the back had to tell the nav we were 20+ miles outside the orbit because the autopilot decided it was bored. My favorite was when we almost went into Iran.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Delta's weird. I think they fly the DC-9s because they're paid off and they have some sort of long-term DC-9/MD80 maintenance contract or a warehouse full of parts. They mothballed some A320s from the NWA fleet that were significantly newer. There's capacity and labor relations issues for them to worry about too. Delta's only allowed to contract up to a certain amount of regional jets of different capacities. Today, Delta is flying three E-175s between MSP and YYC, for a total capacity of 228. If the first and third flights were consistently oversold while the second flight was consistently undersold, they might want to optimize that. One option would be to increase the first and third flights' seating from 76 to 125, get rid of the second flight, switch to mainline DC-9-50 (flown by union pilots), freeing up three regional jet options for somewhere else, one slot each at MSP and YYC (keeping in mind these aren't particularly constrained airports), and all this without buying a single airplane. The maintenance thing isn't a contract or a warehouse full of parts, it's that they do their own (as well as maintenance for other operators) and every DC-9 they own but don't fly is literally made of parts.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Especially with the route structure Emirates has, longer range higher capacity planes are key to maintaining high profitability. They bought the 340 and the 777-2 when those were the highest-cap longest-range airlines on the market. Now that there's something bigger, better and more capable, why wouldn't they invest in lower costs per seat mile when they're able to fill planes easily, and there's a decent market for the 777-2 as a freighter on the used market? Aircraft financing still kind of boggles my mind. There was an excellent post in this thread by someone that broke down the major players and such, which was a great read. Seems like everything comes down to  at the end.
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Well, the poo poo is really hitting the fan in Canada over the F35 today. An auditors report is absolutely crucifying the DnD (Department of defense) about basically lying and bullshitting about the whole thing and fixing the process from the get go. The Government is expected to rapidly fall into face saving mode (pretty tough) and taking away pretty much all decision responsibility from the military. Who knows. We might get an open competition after all. I am more than a little disappointed that the Military was apparently hiding and lying about this.. and as a right leaner disappointed that the Government was seemingly and maybe willingly blind to it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/02/f35-auditor-general-report.html
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Maybe Canada will finally get the fighter it deserves: the Avro Arrow! But no really, Canada will end up flying those F-18A's until 2040.
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Gripens for everybody! They are made by Swedes who are like the Canadians of Europe or something!
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Why does Canada need frightfully expensive fighter jets? It's not like Boeing/General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin are Canadian companies that need corporate welfare.
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The old logic was that Canada, via the pole, is basically right next to Russia and her nuclear bomber force. It also has an unfathomably large amount of territory and coastline to monitor. In today's world? They would probably be better off buying a shitload of UAV's and P-8s instead. But that's theorycrafting assuming a peaceful future, who knows.
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BonzoESC posted:Why does Canada need frightfully expensive fighter jets? It's not like Boeing/General Dynamics/Lockheed Martin are Canadian companies that need corporate welfare. Not sure your question. Do you mean fighter jets in general or just these ones? We need fighter jets in general for the same reason that most 1st world countries need fighter jets. International commitments, fighting in future battles we can't even imagine right now and enforcing sovereignty by playing hide-and-seek with the Bears that still like to probe Canadian airspace. These fighters in general though, that is the question and I think the day of reckoning might be here. By the time all the smoke has cleared, I bet we'll have an agreement for superbugs.
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So you can be in the cool kid club of Countries with Nice Fighter Jets and you don't have to sit at the kid's table with the guys with older Mirages and early-block F16s and everything. Those kids are gross.
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Something like that. Truth is, by the time we start getting any meaningful deliveries of whatever we end up with, the F18s are going to be 40 years old. There are already limits on the airframes for G-loading to make them last as long as possible. They're old, tired, and only going to get worse.
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According to some random hipster, having this as computer wallpaper is "retro" and "ironic" http://i.imgur.com/M6P6i.png There is nothing ironic about my love of old airplanes <  >
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True old airplane wallpaper hipsters prefer the Amiot 143: the Bloch MB.200  or the General Aviation Fleet Shadower: 
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Every aircraft should have a picture-window-lined living room as the nose.Nostalgia4Infinity posted:According to some random hipster, having this as computer wallpaper is "retro" and "ironic" "Retro" I get. "ironic" is just a mis-use of the word. Saved for myself, btw. Thanks 
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:According to some random hipster, having this as computer wallpaper is "retro" and "ironic" That shouldn't be your wallpaper, it should be blown up, framed and put next to a Breitling poster with a silhouetted F-14 in your man cave. I really want my own place so I can start my awesome cave 
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