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Throatwarbler posted:Yes. The back end is terrible and the proportions are terrible. I'd rather have a new Altima, they're both slushbox-only so who gives a poo poo. This person does not understand what a slushbox is. Fucknag posted:Well, the SLS is all but confirmed to be built on what was to be the third-gen Viper's platform. We don't know if THIS third-gen Viper is also built on that platform, though; it's not like Fiat auto group has a dearth of sports car platforms to build on, after all. It could be a whole new car from the ground up. Was the 8C based on the same platform and made it out before the Viper also?
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Fucknag posted:Well, the SLS is all but confirmed to be built on what was to be the third-gen Viper's platform. I can't ever keep that story straight. What source came out and said that?
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kimbo305 posted:I can't ever keep that story straight. What source came out and said that? http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/16/report-dodge-originally-developed-sls-amg-to-be-next-gen-viper/
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Rhyno posted:I always forget that you own a Mini and that I should disregard any and all advice you give about cars. I thought we were friends  At least I have a Cooper S!
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The new Impala looks pretty impressive. It's definitely not what I expected. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/04/2014-chevrolet-impala-debuts-all-new-design/ Hopefully they will release an SS awd version. Its the same platform as the new XTS so it shouldn't be a problem...
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XCPuff posted:The new Impala looks pretty impressive. It's definitely not what I expected. It looks like a chevy taurus, and i can't help but think that 182hp could potentially have trouble motivating a 4000lb car. I do love the interior, though.
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XCPuff posted:The new Impala looks pretty impressive. It's definitely not what I expected. Okay this is the info I was waiting for. I want to buy a car this fall and I was hoping the Impala would wow me over the Ford Fusion or Kia Optima. I like the look and the interior, but I'm totally confused by the engine choices. You've got 182hp/172tq, something eco-friendly that's fine, then 195/187 and 303/264? Why would you have 182 and 195 so close together? Nothing at all in the 220 region? 182 is going be rear end and I don't need 300hp in a daily driver mammoth sedan unless it's rwd. Come on GM, I've got a garage full of your cars and you're pushing me to other dealerships.
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davebo posted:Okay this is the info I was waiting for. I want to buy a car this fall and I was hoping the Impala would wow me over the Ford Fusion or Kia Optima. I like the look and the interior, but I'm totally confused by the engine choices. You've got 182hp/172tq, something eco-friendly that's fine, then 195/187 and 303/264? Why would you have 182 and 195 so close together? Nothing at all in the 220 region? 182 is going be rear end and I don't need 300hp in a daily driver mammoth sedan unless it's rwd. Come on GM, I've got a garage full of your cars and you're pushing me to other dealerships. the 182hp 2.4 is a hybrid drivetrain, and will likely be priced near the v6. The 195hp 2.5 is going to be the new rental spec which in the current model is the 300hp v6. A more appropriate question would be "Where's the turbo?"
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eAssist means hybrid right? Its the same with the Camry, four cylinder, hybrid and hilariously overpowered V6
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Powershift posted:the 182hp 2.4 is a hybrid drivetrain, and will likely be priced near the v6. The 195hp 2.5 is going to be the new rental spec which in the current model is the 300hp v6. Well exactly, a turbo that would put it in the low-mid-200's is what I'm not seeing. I didn't see that release say anything about weight but with all the safety features I can only imagine that even with a 4cyl it's not much lighter. Edit: vv no, because I'm shopping this and it's not good enough. I like the power to weight ratio in my 10+ year old car I want to replace, which by this point I assume I should have slightly better power and slightly better fuel economy. 300hp is way more power and no more fuel economy, and I'm sure the 4cyl will be much better fuel economy. All I want is a happy medium, which they don't seem to be offering. davebo fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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davebo posted:Well exactly, a turbo that would put it in the low-mid-200's is what I'm not seeing. I didn't see that release say anything about weight but with all the safety features I can only imagine that even with a 4cyl it's not much lighter. I think the V6 should serve just fine for people wanting power. It should benefit from GM's economy of scale and return enough fuel economy to not lose much to a turbo 4. The Kia Optima turbo hasn't delivered the kind of mpg that a turbo 4 promises. I suspect because it takes fuel to get that kind of power, even on the highway. The Camry V6 can do 30mpg, which is good enough for people who'd be shopping this.
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The new Impala looks great, the Malibu looks kinda of goofy next to it now. My dad was looking at the w-body ones with the 3.6, but I told him to hold off till the next gen one. The 3.6 was scary in the w-body, to much power with a poo poo suspension set up. Hopefully this new one gets the fancy hyper struts the LaCrosse uses.
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So if the hybrid gets 35mpg highway what do you think the non-hybrid I4 will get? Oh wait who cares because the Dodge Charger/300 V6 with the 8 speed available right now gets 31mpg highway and is also 300hp and RWD.  EDIT: OK now that I look at it the new Impala's interior *is* pretty nice. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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I've been looking at the pictures of the Fisker Atlantic. If they can sell it for BMW 3-Series money ($40-45k) they will not be able to make them fast enough. That is a good looking car.
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Throatwarbler posted:Also Chrysler is bringing back the Firebird. I'm excited for this new
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XCPuff posted:The new Impala looks pretty impressive. It's definitely not what I expected. Another new set of headlights to memorize.. Sharp looking car though.
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With the Caprice out, I doubt Chevy will push this gen Impala towards police fleet. Might see a few as detective/VIP escort cars. Too much chrome for my tastes. Not that I mind chrome, necessarily, since I think the 300 looks good, but it just seems... thrown on as an afterthought.
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GM is heading towards seperate name plates for their fleet vehicles, with the Caprice and Capitva. I think the old Malibu is going to be kept around too for fleets as the new one rolls out. It's probably not a bad plan. I think GM is the only one that can do it because they have market presence in poorer countries like China where this stuff could still be sold retail, while Ford and Chrysler do not.
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At first glance, I liked the new Impala design. But then something hit me a bit later. 2014 Impala  2012 Crosstour  Now I don't know how I feel about it.
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Those sure are 2 cars with similar headlights.
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They look similar, but the Impala is considerably more attractive. The proportions of the grille and the lights and the front end in general are just so much better.
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AlmightyPants posted:I've been looking at the pictures of the Fisker Atlantic. If they can sell it for BMW 3-Series money ($40-45k) they will not be able to make them fast enough. That is a good looking car. That's a pretty enormous if.
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The problem with the Impala is that it has no design language. If you removed the badges, I would have had no idea it was the new Impala. Or even a Chevy, for that matter (though that may be a good thing). I guess I see a little bit of the new Camaro in the grill shape, but barely. Debadge a BMW or Mercedes, you know it's a BMW or Mercedes. Same with an Acura or Infiniti. Debadge a new Ford, you can tell it's a Ford either using the old 3-chrome-bar look or the new Euro-oriented look. Similarly, Dodges and Chryslers have design language. GMs lately have been 'nice cars' but they're too unassuming and after the first year or two they'll be so completely bland that nobody will consider them. They're the 'beige' of the auto industry. Cadillac is an exception, because they have consistent design language, but I think they're the only group within GM. Then again, people still buy the current Impala, so I guess beige is cool for some people. edit: Also, what is the difference between a Malibu and an Impala supposed to be these days? Seems the Malibu is as big as the Imapala anymore, or am I mistaken? CornHolio fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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I don't know, Buick has pretty coherent design language at this point.
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CornHolio posted:The problem with the Impala is that it has no design language. If you removed the badges, I would have had no idea it was the new Impala. Or even a Chevy, for that matter (though that may be a good thing). I guess I see a little bit of the new Camaro in the grill shape, but barely. It'd disagree. The shape and angle of the front clip and grille is definitely reminiscent of the Camaro, as are some elements of the rear quarter contouring and the rear. It doesn't have a big, ugly corporate grille or stupid gimmick headlamps or vents, but I consider that a massive positive. It's still very clearly a large American car, too, from the styling and detailing. Funny you use Acura or Dodge as examples because both cram on dumb, ugly recognition features that ruin the looks of the cars and often clash terribly with the overall designs, which often aren't otherwise that coherent. What I'm saying is that I bet I could spot a new Chevrolet design without the badge, and not having dumb gimmicky grilles and brandmark design is a great thing that more automakers should do.
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I am still pissed that GM killed off the Kappa platform. I can see why since it would compete almost directly as a smaller Corvette, but overall the offering was solid for someone who wants a small, fun, impractical, roadster with a good engine. The engine lives on in a Buick with FlexFuel capabilities now, but the unique look and performance that the Kappa offered may be lost for a good while. Though I think the Sky was better looking than the Solstice, The Sol Coupe could probably be morphed into a sporty new GM offering that is RWD outside of the Camaro/Vette.
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GMC definitely has a consistent design theme too I'd say, especially with the Denali models. And I definitely like the new Impala a lot more than the current one.
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Hello, Sexy.  Still a V-10, ~640 HP 600 Ft Lbs. 50% stiffer than the '10 and 500 pounds lighter even with the extra nanny equipment.
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Kappa lives on as Alpha, though, right? The ATS is coming soon, and they say that it uses the suspension/subframes from Kappa on a stretched wheelbase. Apparently it will have decent performance chops, too. I know there was a Chevy branded concept car riding on it that came out a year or two ago, too, so who knows? A small, mass-market Chevy priced turbo 4 powered boxy sports coupe or small sedan and/or ute would be awesome. I guess you could also slot it in with Buick or whatever, too.  The concept is kind of ugly, but the idea of a Chevy 1-series is pretty sweet.  ditto for a Chevy BRZ fighter OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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Mighty Horse posted:Hello, Sexy. I love this so much. Forward-opening hood, side exhausts, manual transmission, V10... I can't wait to see Top Gear ring this out. It looks properly badass and beautiful.
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BobSpelledBackward posted:I am still pissed that GM killed off the Kappa platform. I can see why since it would compete almost directly as a smaller Corvette, but overall the offering was solid for someone who wants a small, fun, impractical, roadster with a good engine. The engine lives on in a Buick with FlexFuel capabilities now, but the unique look and performance that the Kappa offered may be lost for a good while. I really liked the idea of the Solstice/Sky, but for a small car with a ~170hp 4cyl they got pretty awful mileage. I'd love to see them take a crack at it today though. Maybe go even smaller. Edit: I wanna sex up that Viper. I never liked the Viper's top and rear but I like that just fine. Edit: vv yeah I believe so, but not so much the weight, because the 2.0L turbos had almost 100 more hp and got better mileage. Different gearing in those versions maybe? davebo fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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davebo posted:I really liked the idea of the Solstice/Sky, but for a small car with a ~170hp 4cyl they got pretty awful mileage. I'd love to see them take a crack at it today though. Maybe go even smaller. Wasn't the mileage mostly a function of low gearing + fatness? Curb weight of a Solstice was like 2900 lbs while an NC Miata is 2400 lbs.
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CornHolio posted:I love this so much. Forward-opening hood, side exhausts, manual transmission, V10... I can't wait to see Top Gear ring this out. It looks properly badass and beautiful. Not a huge fan of the rear, especially the tails, but otherwise great.
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Mighty Horse posted:Hello, Sexy. Those headlights really bother me with what I assume is a ring of LEDs all the way around them, the rest of it looks fantastic though. The headlights just remind me of a gaudy diamond ring or something and seem out of place with the rest of the car.
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asmallrabbit posted:Those headlights really bother me with what I assume is a ring of LEDs all the way around them, the rest of it looks fantastic though. The headlights just remind me of a gaudy diamond ring or something and seem out of place with the rest of the car. They look like eyelids. Angry eyelids. I'm sure the headlights will have an illuminated ring around them like the current 300 does. I don't really like it, but I'd have to see a Viper with them on to judge for sure.
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CornHolio posted:They look like eyelids. Angry eyelids. Yeah, I just feel like they draw too much attention away from the rest of the front end. Everything else seems sportier and more shadowed and then you have this bright ring around the headlights. Feels like they should be tinted or something. EDIT: Could just be the contrast with the red color too. Would probably look awesome in white.
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Mighty Horse posted:Hello, Sexy. quote:Still a V-10, ~640 HP 600 Ft Lbs. 50% stiffer than the '10 and 500 pounds lighter even with the extra nanny equipment. Everything I see for the 2010 is a bit under 3500 lbs. 3000 lbs and 640 hp seems... excessive and therefore probably right.
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I'm thinking the bottom half will be LED running lights, while the top is a turn signal. edit:   Electronic and Dance? Chill? gently caress that, you put on some AC/DC and go out and scare small children and old people in this loving car. Must be that European influence. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/04/2013-srt-viper-bites-back-with-640-hp-returns-to-racing-w-vide/ Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Apr 4, 2012 |
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REDjackeT posted:Man, does that look really really really good. The autoblog article said: quote:In fact, the 2013 SRT Viper's 4.9 pounds per horsepower puts it just behind the Bugatti Veyron and Ferrari F12 and ahead of such performance stalwarts as the Lamborghini Aventador and Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. So 640 hp * 4.9 lb/hp = 3136 lbs
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That is so awesome. More cars need handles for the passengers. I always saw the Viper as a very respectable performance machine that I just wasn't interested in because it didn't look as cool as it costs, but that has entirely changed in the last hour or two and now I would totally buy one if I was rich. Now I wanna see an ACR version set a new Nurburgring time.
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