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Left Ventricle posted:Weirdly, the cop Taurus will have a column shifter with a console and buckets. What's weird? That's how Crown Vics are and equipment outfitters have planned accordingly.
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kimbo305 posted:What's weird? That's how Crown Vics are and equipment outfitters have planned accordingly.
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Apr 5, 2012 04:04
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Left Ventricle posted:I don't see this as being a bad thing. First thing I said when I saw the pictures was that it looks like an overgrown Cruze. Not at all, the XF is a drat fine looking automobile. And to the people compaining about the lack of "design language" and "not being able to tell it's a Chevy", pretty sure the Impala and that SUV (Traverse was it?) are supposed to be the first models with the new corporate face/styling, that's why it looks different to the existing lineup.
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Left Ventricle posted:The new Impala is a good-looking car, but something about it saddens me. With this new version, it looks like there will no longer be any new cars that have a column shifter and front bench. Trucks are even going to console shifters. I think the GM trucks are the only ones left, unless the Rams still do. Jesus, I didn't know anyone actually liked column shifters. I'll give you that it's occasionally convenient to have more space in the front (especially in a single-cab truck), but I loathe column shifters worse than anything. At least buttons are quick and precise. For that matter, why put them on the center console instead of on the steering wheel itself?
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Apr 5, 2012 04:28
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PT6A posted:Jesus, I didn't know anyone actually liked column shifters.
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Apr 5, 2012 04:39
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PT6A posted:Jesus, I didn't know anyone actually liked column shifters. I'll give you that it's occasionally convenient to have more space in the front (especially in a single-cab truck), but I loathe column shifters worse than anything. At least buttons are quick and precise. For that matter, why put them on the center console instead of on the steering wheel itself? So that when the customer who still wants button shifters inevitably has their heart attack / stroke / senior moment, the passenger can reach over and put the car in neutral instead of running off the road / into a building / through a farmer's market.
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Apr 5, 2012 04:41
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Cream_Filling posted:So that when the customer who still wants button shifters inevitably has their heart attack / stroke / senior moment, the passenger can reach over and put the car in neutral instead of running off the road / into a building / through a farmer's market. Relax, in 10 years time, only outlaws will have manually driven cars.
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BobSpelledBackward posted:I'm gonna have to train myself to stop seeing Bugs Bunny's face in almost every modern console.
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Apr 5, 2012 06:35
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No picture because it doesn't actually look any different from the old one but the '13 Dodge Ram will have the new 3.6l engine, 8 speed transmission (on the V8 too) plus air suspension! Chrysler is claiming fuel economy improvements of at least 20%.
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Apr 5, 2012 08:40
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PT6A posted:Jesus, I didn't know anyone actually liked column shifters. I'll give you that it's occasionally convenient to have more space in the front (especially in a single-cab truck), but I loathe column shifters worse than anything. At least buttons are quick and precise. For that matter, why put them on the center console instead of on the steering wheel itself? Cops like them for space reasons.
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Apr 5, 2012 13:38
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Column shifters are kinda dumb now that it isn't physically connected to the transmission anymore, but old guys like me don't like things to change in our pickups. They even make it seem like it is still connected to the transmission by making it hard to pull down and pick your gear.
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Apr 5, 2012 15:39
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Cops like them for space reasons. Yeah, the MDT typically gets mounted where a console shift lever would be.
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Apr 5, 2012 16:36
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Elephanthead posted:Column shifters are kinda dumb now that it isn't physically connected to the transmission anymore, but old guys like me don't like things to change in our pickups. They even make it seem like it is still connected to the transmission by making it hard to pull down and pick your gear. What was that, about not liking things changing in your pickups?  (From the 2013 Dodge RAM)
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Apr 5, 2012 17:27
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So new cars have to have various traction/stability software functions, right? How is this stuff signed off on by the government? Are there published standards for how the systems need to perform? It seems like the perfect storm of bureaucratic myopia and bench racing. What motivated this question is the new Viper. The engineers could spend a lot of time doing a good job with it or just a little bit of time on it to barely meet the mark, while nudge/winking at owners to just turn it off. e: wrong word choice kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Apr 5, 2012 17:33
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kimbo305 posted:So new cars have to have various traction/stability software functions, right? How is this stuff signed off on by the government? Are there published standards for how the systems need to perform? I haven't heard of any mandatory testing, otherwise this might not have happened: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/04/consumer-reports-2010-lexus-gx-dont-buy-safety-risk.html (Jalopnik called it "Lexus GX 460 Wins Consumer Reports Prestigious "Don’t Buy" Award" but it was basically two sentences and a link so gently caress Gawker.)
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Apr 5, 2012 18:19
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So, is this the real 2013 Chevy Silverado? Because if it is, it's the worst looking truck I've ever seen in my life. Maybe GM wouldn't need bailouts if they could actually make decent managerial decisions, like not letting hairdressers design their work trucks.
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Apr 5, 2012 18:31
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I doubt that's legit, it's too feminine. Ford learned that lesson with the late 90s F150.
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Apr 5, 2012 18:35
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Ya, that just looks like another Prototype styled truck that they may base a few things off of but was just built for show. Lets hope at least.
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Apr 5, 2012 18:51
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GreatGreen posted:So, is this the real 2013 Chevy Silverado? Is it the Colorado?
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Apr 5, 2012 18:52
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GreatGreen posted:So, is this the real 2013 Chevy Silverado? The beltline is so high on this car it's like an octogenarian. Wow.
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GreatGreen posted:So, is this the real 2013 Chevy Silverado? That concept is from 2003. It's called the Cheyenne. Also, notice the Mercury sign in the background.  http://gmauthority.com/blog/2010/03/rumormill-all-new-chevy-silveradogmc-sierra-to-resemble-cheyenne-concept/ Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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Apr 5, 2012 19:22
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BonzoESC posted:I haven't heard of any mandatory testing, otherwise this might not have happened: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/04/consumer-reports-2010-lexus-gx-dont-buy-safety-risk.html I knew that happened, but it only strengthened my idea that government testing isn't really robust. I hope the SRT guys aren't working too hard on the software in the Viper; that's all.
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GreatGreen posted:So, is this the real 2013 Chevy Silverado? It looks nothing like the spy shots from last month.  So probably not. It might be some sort of concept or maybe a euro/asian-market version, since it sort of looks like the new Colorado/Trailblazer that just came out in Thailand. Also, I wish people wouldn't make snide comments about the GM bailouts so much. Immediately pre-bailout GM management did a lot of smart stuff, made some tough calls, and put some really good product in the pipeline. Then, post-bailout, the utterly brain-dead GM Board of Directors hosed everything up by hiring what is undeniably the dumbest and most inexperienced executive among any car company right now, Dan Akerson.
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kimbo305 posted:I knew that happened, but it only strengthened my idea that government testing isn't really robust. More like unsafe-at-any-speed dumbestic automakers want to save money and cut corners with our lives by not adding mandatory rear-view cameras, undefeatable traction control, and tiny airbags for each bone in the foot. According to our proprietary calculations, rear-view cameras alone increase safety by over 100 safety points! OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 5, 2012 |
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CornHolio posted:What was that, about not liking things changing in your pickups? That seems like you could accidentally bump it out of gear, though, and it looks like you have to move it through reverse before putting it from drive to park. It seems like it sort of encourages old people to accidentally put it in reverse. I know some people hated it but I actually sort of liked the old Prius's tiny vertically mounted, spring-loaded gear selector nub thingy with a separate master "Park" button. If anything, they should have made it smaller or at least shorter. The current console control is dumb.  
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Cream_Filling posted:It looks nothing like the spy shots from last month. Thank goodness. And also, I'm sure GM did make some hard calls around the time of the bailout, but you also just admitted they went right back to being retards immediately afterwards by hiring someone who obviously wasn't prepared to do the job. You can't just buck up right when there's a crisis, then drop the ball the rest of the time. Seems they'd do well to learn the meaning of the phrase "an ounce of prevention..."
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Cream_Filling posted:That seems like you could accidentally bump it out of gear, though, and it looks like you have to move it through reverse before putting it from drive to park. It seems like it sort of encourages old people to accidentally put it in reverse. Don't most automatics go P-R-N-D? Mine always have and I know I normally see reverse lights blink for half a second when I see people parking.
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GreatGreen posted:Thank goodness. Well, the Board of Directors is distinct from the management of a company. The management team of Whitacre, Lutz, etc., was pretty good and had a ton of experience. The Board was and is a pack of retarded monkeys since it's mostly former/current executives from other big companies. Ackerson is a moron who has never worked in any sort of heavy manufacturing company and whose last CEO job was destroying Nextel before jumping ship into a cush private equity firm for a while. He only got the job because he had some golf buddies on the board and nobody else wanted it. Since then, the stories of his cheapness, ego, and ignorance are spreading. Most famously, when first shown GM's current advertising push to emphasize fuel economy, he asked "why are we advertising something no-one cares about? You put the gas in and then you leave,". He also replaced Tom Stephens, an engineer, with an HR manager from his old company as vice-chairman of product development, supposedly for "loyalty" issues. Dumb bullshit like that. He's said that he thinks GM spends too much on product development instead of using marketing to sell stuff that's cheaper to develop and manufacture, and has described the current generation of Cadillacs as "too good" and thus wasteful. It's depressing to see them lose all the progress they've made. We'll see in a few years once the stuff designed under the new management starts showing up in public.
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Cream_Filling posted:That seems like you could accidentally bump it out of gear, though, and it looks like you have to move it through reverse before putting it from drive to park. It seems like it sort of encourages old people to accidentally put it in reverse. With the exceptions of the crazy-rear end Prius transmission and some push-button autos, I've never seen an auto that didn't have Reverse between Park and Drive.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:With the exceptions of the crazy-rear end Prius transmission and some push-button autos, I've never seen an auto that didn't have Reverse between Park and Drive. Yeah I don't know what I was thinking there. I guess it's been a while since I ever looked at a shift pattern on an automatic transmission.
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah I don't know what I was thinking there. I guess it's been a while since I ever looked at a shift pattern on an automatic transmission. If the knob works the way I think it's designed, you will turn the dial to the gear you want (P-R-N-D) and then press the knob in. It won't be like your headlight knob that changes as you turn it. The press would also have to be confirmed by something like the brake pedal being pressed or the car moving at 0 mph.
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Apr 5, 2012 20:47
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kimbo305 posted:I knew that happened, but it only strengthened my idea that government testing isn't really robust. I really think they license an off-the-shelf package or module from Bosch or somebody and customize it with some performance and weight parameters.
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kimbo305 posted:So new cars have to have various traction/stability software functions, right? How is this stuff signed off on by the government? Are there published standards for how the systems need to perform? It can be set to "fully off". It's there because launch control. http://www.allpar.com/cars/viper/2012-dodge-viper.html
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BonzoESC posted:I really think they license an off-the-shelf package or module from Bosch or somebody and customize it with some performance and weight parameters. Or just whatever Mercedes uses on the SLS. As a disclaimer, this is a guess and I say it ignorant of the actual current state of tech sharing between Benz and Chrysler.
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Cream_Filling posted:Or just whatever Mercedes uses on the SLS. Non-existant. Daimler sold them back in 2007. I think Daimler paid like $35 billion for the company back in the 90s but was happy to get rid of it for a billion dollars. If you look at where Mercedes has went since 2007, I can't say I would blame them, they were a loving albatross. As far as the whole SLS/Viper rumor I don't buy it for a second. e: The concept was sketched in 2009 with sketches displayed at the NY auto show http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/concept_cars/mercedes_sls_amg.html It's also claimed to be the first car entirely designed "in-house" by AMG, http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/vehicles/road/cars/mercedes_sls_amg.html Mr.Peabody fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Apr 6, 2012 |
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Mr.Peabody posted:If you look at where Mercedes has went since 2007, I can't say I would blame them, they were a loving albatross. Mercedes quality in the mid-90s was getting a reputation for being rather poo poo. They propped up Benz by draining Chrysler of every dime they had while investing as little cash as they could into the Chrysler lineup. At the time of the merger Chrysler had some of the largest cash reserves of any car company in the world, when Daimler cut ties they eventually needed a government bailout to keep the doors open. There was an albatross in that relationship, but it sure as hell wasn't Chrysler.
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Q_res posted:At the time of the merger Chrysler had some of the largest cash reserves of any car company in the world, when Daimler cut ties they eventually needed a government bailout to keep the doors open. Weren't GM and Ford USA doing similarly well at the time?
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Throatwarbler posted:It can be set to "fully off". It's there because of launch control. I understand that you can do all the cool stuff you want, but I wanted some insight into what checkboxes the government regulators are looking to tick when they come by to test your brand new car. How much can you get away with, what is the testing methodology, etc. Also, the engine is offset 40mm to the passenger side. Goddamn.
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I really do love the write ups that Allpar does. I wish more fan sites put that much into each article.
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Throatwarbler posted:It can be set to "fully off". It's there because launch control. I wonder if that 100k mile interval for spark plug changes is because it's going to be an engine out job to do it? 
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