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Banana Yaya posted:That bothered me as well, but after reading that long-rear end "patricide"-interpretation it sort of made sense that Tony would develop a self-destructive obsession with the very thing his father always cautioned him against - i. e. gambling. Also ignoring the "A man always pays his debts" speech his father gave him after Tony witnessed Johnny Boy and Junior cutting off Satriale's thumb. And even more pertinent, he ignored a rather large debt to Hesh, one of his father's best friends and a father-figure to Tony.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Also ignoring the "A man always pays his debts" speech his father gave him after Tony witnessed Johnny Boy and Junior cutting off Satriale's thumb. And even more pertinent, he ignored a rather large debt to Hesh, one of his father's best friends and a father-figure to Tony. When I first saw that episode, I was really confused about Hesh's girlfriend dying so suddenly. For the longest time, I was convinced someone from Tony's crew somehow killed her in order to get Hesh's mind off the debt.
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Apr 3, 2012 16:50
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I looked at Tony ignoring the debt was because he could and no one could do anything about it since he's the boss. If he refuses to pay Hesh, then he also sets a president to anyone else he owes money to. A "Hey, I didn't pay my father's friend, you think I'm gonna pay you?" type thing. All mobsters are basically thieves and steal from each other all the time. - When Brendan and Chris steal the Comley truck, Tony keeps 3 or 4 racks of clothes while ordering them to give it back and then extorts 50k from them so he can "pay" a tax to Jun. - Pie-o-My wins a race and Ralph pays Tony for the tip. Tony keeps his hand out for an uncomfortable amount of time until Ralph lays out more cash. - When Pussy comes back, he asks about who made his pickups. Paulie states that, "we did the best we could with the information we had" meaning they were pocketing all of the money Also Tony's expenses keep going up. Meadow is in school, Carm's building a house, uncertainty within the families (possible mob war), medical bills, paying 5 grand a day for AJ to play Xbox, etc. but he's not willing to change his lifestyle so he gets cash anyway he can.
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Apr 3, 2012 18:59
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Hesh's girlfriend dying was very confusing. I always assumed they had her killed but he was such a good friend of Tony's I wrote it off. I thought he started paying off Hesh?
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Apr 3, 2012 19:04
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Crazy685 posted:Hesh's girlfriend dying was very confusing. I always assumed they had her killed but he was such a good friend of Tony's I wrote it off. I thought he started paying off Hesh? Her death was a little sudden, but not out of the realm of possibility. My uncle's fifth wife (don't ask) died suddenly one day while mowing the lawn and she was in fairly good health. Just dropped dead from a previously undiagnosed congenital heart defect. And Tony was paying off Hesh, but reluctantly and going out of his way to humiliate him every time. And then he brings Bobby and someone else (I forget who) along to invite Hesh "out to see a boat" when it's obvious they were there as an intimidation tactic. And Tony only finally paid the entire debt once Renata (I forget how to spell it) passed away, which was a terribly rear end in a top hat thing to do. And it wasn't so much Tony's legitimate expenses going up as his frivolous purchases. Hesh talks at length in "Chasing It" about Tony spending much more recklessly and how he hasn't taken his financial advise in a long time. The boat that cost several million and had no resale value, etc. Also, the gambling didn't start in that episode, it was referenced in the several episodes preceding it. It seems as though it started sometime between the last episode of season 6.1 and "Soprano Home Movies". One scene in particular that sticks out is Tony making a $100,000 bet on some game (with his own money) while waiting for Little Carmine to meet him in "Stage 5".
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Apr 3, 2012 19:55
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I always took him paying Hesh off in full after her death as him having one of those "Lifes short, why alienate one of my best friends over something stupid" moments.
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Apr 3, 2012 23:59
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Tony: "He ended up in some rat-infested motel down in Elvis country." Furio: "What is that?" Paulie: "Eh...anywhere there are no Jews or Italians" Furio: "I don't get it."
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Apr 4, 2012 02:11
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There's a bee onna your hat
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Bonzo posted:There's a bee onna your hat Stupid a-loving game.
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Just being a bit of a stickler here - Tony both was and wasn't paying Hesh off, prior to Renata dying and him giving him the rest in full. When you're a loan shark and you lend someone money, you charge them weekly interest that always needs to be paid. Like when they say "2 points" or "A point and a half" that's the weekly interest being charged, a point being equal to a $1000. So Tony borrows $50k or whatever from Hesh at 2 points, and technically every week that he can't pay Hesh back means he has to pay $2k for that week, which is what's called "the vig". So basically, the situation with Tony and Hesh was kinda hosed up. Tony had asked for a "bridge loan" so Hesh assumed that he wasn't even going to need the money for a full week, but instead of paying him back the principle, Tony made a big show of just paying him the vig every week, along with anti-semitic baiting about Jews and their money. Hesh was worried because Tony's organization is what he uses to rough people up when they don't pay him, so what the gently caress is he supposed to do when *Tony* won't pay him?
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kaworu posted:Just being a bit of a stickler here - Tony both was and wasn't paying Hesh off, prior to Renata dying and him giving him the rest in full. When you're a loan shark and you lend someone money, you charge them weekly interest that always needs to be paid. Like when they say "2 points" or "A point and a half" that's the weekly interest being charged, a point being equal to a $1000. So Tony borrows $50k or whatever from Hesh at 2 points, and technically every week that he can't pay Hesh back means he has to pay $2k for that week, which is what's called "the vig".
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Plus Hesh had already told Tony he didn't want a vig from him and to just give the lot to him whenever he had it. Someone (I forget who now) said to Tony "gently caress him, what's he going to do about it?" and Tony replied along the lines of "what's it going to look like if the boss of the family doesn't pay his debts?". We've seen how many bags full of cash Tony can haul around so he probably had the money to pay him back in full the entire time, he just decided to get cunty about it for some reason and Hesh's wife dying maybe made him realise what a twat he had been to one of his oldest friends.
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I don't know why, but Phil tossing his little ice cream cone out of the window in this scene always makes me chuckle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0qb9wP_jt0
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haljordan posted:I don't know why, but Phil tossing his little ice cream cone out of the window in this scene always makes me chuckle: That's one of the best scenes the show ever pulled off, right down to "Rock the Casbah" playing in reference to the Soprano Family always calling Phil "the Shah" behind his back. "Hey mister, you okay in there?"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:That's one of the best scenes the show ever pulled off, right down to "Rock the Casbah" playing in reference to the Soprano Family always calling Phil "the Shah" behind his back. He really wanted that ice cream. You could tell.
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Tony yelling at Feech was amazing. Really interesting angle, because he usually is a fan of nostalgia and talking about how it was with his dad etc, but when some old timer is a current threat, he shits all over their memories and makes them seem worthless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkV29N7q_RY&sns=em Feech: in my day- Tony: and that's another thing. I don't wanna hear any more about how it was in your day. You just keep your antidotes to local color like Dynaflows or McGuire sisters, poo poo like that. Otherwise, SHUT THE gently caress UP. Then takes a pause and looks at him with the biggest "gently caress you old man" glare. Also, ditto what that other poster said about how the final scene between June and Tony is crushing. "I was involved with that?" Perfect end to that relationship.
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Things that are hilarious in retrospect: watching The Goonies and hearing Joe Pantoliano scream "I DON'T WEAR A HAIRPIECE"
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Things that are hilarious in retrospect: watching The Goonies and hearing Joe Pantoliano scream "I DON'T WEAR A HAIRPIECE" Even more hilarious? Me realizing for the first time that this IS Joe Pantoliano, despite having seen that movie dozens of times. How long has that guy been middle-aged, anyway?
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Jerusalem posted:Even more hilarious? Me realizing for the first time that this IS Joe Pantoliano, despite having seen that movie dozens of times. How long has that guy been middle-aged, anyway? Dude just turned 60 in September, so he was 34 when he did The Goonies.
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bobkatt013 posted:Michael Imperioli I still love the scene where he shots the kid in the food and his response is it happens. "I thought you said I was OK, Spider." "No, you aint OK Spider." Anyhow, there's a poo poo ton more people from Goodfellas that have been on this show. I was amazed. Whenever I re-watch the Sporanos or Goodfellas now, i'm always looking. quote:Believe it or not, there were more than 2 dozen!
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There is some fun casting in The Sopranos. Maybe David Chase has a thing for casting musicians, I don't know. Frankie Valli as a mobster? Sure, why not its a small role. Steven van Zandt in a huge role? Yeah, lets do it, who cares if he has no prior acting experience. Lets cast his wife as well.
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So we'll take it from the top. We'll use the ukelele.
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BiggerBoat posted:"I thought you said I was OK, Spider." Nearly every movie or show that has the mob in the script and is filmed in the NYC area uses these actors. Bronx Tale, Made, Jerky Boys, off the top of my head. MrBling posted:There is some fun casting in The Sopranos. Maybe David Chase has a thing for casting musicians, I don't know. Scorsese used old Vegas comedians and mob guys in Casino. It's the only you'll see Don Rickles on screen not insulting someone. As far as Little Steven, it seems he had the character of Silvio created and somehow Chase found out about it and asked him to try it out.
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Bonzo posted:Nearly every movie or show that has the mob in the script and is filmed in the NYC area uses these actors. Bronx Tale, Made, Jerky Boys, off the top of my head. It's also the only movie where you'll see Joe Pesci smash Don Rickles in the skull with a telephone!
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haljordan posted:It's also the only movie where you'll see Joe Pesci smash Don Rickles in the skull with a telephone! Speaking of beatings, let's watch Tony beat Zellman with a belt! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMw7b4ltJtk Tony heard a song that made him feel sad, so what does he do? Take it out on this poor schmuck, of course! Of course he has no interest in getting back together with Irina, but he's just that much of a prick.
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^^ - I love that scene, if only because of the CBS-FM jingle in the beginning... drat you all - reading this thread has caused me to rewatch the series again. Currently in the middle of Season 2 when Tony busts out the sporting goods store. I almost lost my job because of this show - I was watching the finale while on air...and left the mic on while shouting curse words when Phil had his head crushed like a grape. Lucky for me, nobody in NJ was listening to the radio at the time...
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Ishamael posted:Tony heard a song that made him feel sad, so what does he do? Take it out on this poor schmuck, of course! Of course he has no interest in getting back together with Irina, but he's just that much of a prick. Hey but at least Tony had the good grace to decide that HE wouldn't have an affair with Adrianna. What a great guy he is, that Adrianna was totally gagging for getting his bald, overweight, middle-aged rear end to clamber on top of her.
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I loved the Sopranos when it was on, but I feel that even with all the good TV since, it just gets better and better by comparison, and sometimes I picture old fat men eating salty meat, and I get really sad.
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Paul Coffey posted:I loved the Sopranos when it was on, but I feel that even with all the good TV since, it just gets better and better by comparison, and sometimes I picture old fat men eating salty meat, and I get really sad.
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MrBling posted:
Chase would be a fool not to cast van zandt.One of the best mobster faces around and by far the best godfather impersonation.
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Miznasty posted:Chase would be a fool not to cast van zandt.One of the best mobster faces around and by far the best godfather impersonation. But y'know, I feel like the mobster face is a total put-on. Like, when I see Little Steven in any other circumstance, I don't think "mobster", I think "old hippie guy" or something like that. Might have something to do with his choice of headgear, but it's also something in his face. He wears this sort of scowling badass sense of detachment on his face as Silvio, whereas when he's being himself he just looks sort of gentle and unassuming kaworu fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Apr 17, 2012 |
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kaworu posted:But y'know, I feel like the mobster face is a total put-on. Like, when I see Little Steven in any other circumstance, I don't think "mobster", I think "old hippie guy" or something like that. Might have something to do with his choice of headgear, but it's also something in his face. He wears this sort of scowling badass sense of detachment on his face as Silvio, whereas when he's being himself he just looks sort of gentle and unassuming I have only seen him in lilyhammer and in concert with that silly rear end head band. But you still can't take away his sweet rear end pacino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09oRyelfTS0
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He's bald which is why he wears the bandanna and has been since I can remember. I also remember him from MTV in the 80s and his face pretty much looked like that then. He's a pretty interesting guy and his radio show is pretty good. http://undergroundgarage.com/ And since I have a relative that is no longer able to live by herself anymore, the quote "IT'S A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY" has been stuck in my head.
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I'm rewatching the series and I forgot how hungry this show makes me.
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kaworu posted:But y'know, I feel like the mobster face is a total put-on. Like, when I see Little Steven in any other circumstance, I don't think "mobster", I think "old hippie guy" or something like that. Might have something to do with his choice of headgear, but it's also something in his face. The headscarf goes a long way towards making him a hippie rock-n-roller, much like the Guido hairdo sells him as a mobster. VanSandt is awesome though, all the way around, and I'm not even a Springsteen fan. His super freakout about the cheese on the floor during the poker game (Season 2 I think) is one of my favorite rants in all the Sopranos series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyT94FvvIQc
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BiggerBoat posted:The headscarf goes a long way towards making him a hippie rock-n-roller, much like the Guido hairdo sells him as a mobster. VanSandt is awesome though, all the way around, and I'm not even a Springsteen fan. His super freakout about the cheese on the floor during the poker game (Season 2 I think) is one of my favorite rants in all the Sopranos series. I've watched the series a load of times but until now I never noticed that Tony sends the guy over there to clean up the cheese to deliberately annoy Silvio.
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BiggerBoat posted:The headscarf goes a long way towards making him a hippie rock-n-roller, much like the Guido hairdo sells him as a mobster. VanSandt is awesome though, all the way around, and I'm not even a Springsteen fan. His super freakout about the cheese on the floor during the poker game (Season 2 I think) is one of my favorite rants in all the Sopranos series. This is loving classic. "Here, have a good time."
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Reading random trivia on IMDB led me to this quote:David Chase was a longtime fan of Steve Van Zandt's music and had always wanted to write a role for him. When Chase saw Van Zandt induct 'The Young Rascals' into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he invited Van Zandt to audition for Tony Soprano even though he had never acted before. Van Zandt did not want to take a role away from a real actor, so Chase wrote the role of Silvio Dante for him. When Tony gets shot and Sil is acting boss and he tells his wife that before Jackie died he floated the idea of Sil being boss but he turned it down, I wonder if it's a reference to that or not?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:There's something else that figured into the murder of Christopher that I've touched upon before elsewhere. Don't you EVER apologize, you magnificent son of a bitch!
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Yes, could we please have some more glorious Sopranos-related ramblings? I've been rewatching the show with my girlfriend and I'm starved for good posts on this magnificent work of art 
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