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Generosity begats prosperity. If you give lots of huge gifts, throw mighty feasts for your neighbors, and buy treasures at marked-up rates, your neighbors will find a way to repay you, because otherwise they'll look like chumps. It works best if you also have lots and lots of trade routes.
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I wonder what a KoDP 2 would be like if it was like KoDP but more, and it was also a browser-based multiplayer game like Urban Dead and Evony and games like that.
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Apr 10, 2012 23:28
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Tufty posted:I wonder what a KoDP 2 would be like if it was like KoDP but more, and it was also a browser-based multiplayer game like Urban Dead and Evony and games like that. Come enslave duck m'lord
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Apr 10, 2012 23:41
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Tufty posted:I wonder what a KoDP 2 would be like if it was like KoDP but more, and it was also a browser-based multiplayer game like Urban Dead and Evony and games like that. A disaster, that's what. Seriously. I can't see a way to make multiplayer KoDP work.
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Apr 10, 2012 23:59
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zkline posted:A disaster, that's what. Seriously. I can't see a way to make multiplayer KoDP work. About the same way it does in singleplayer, but your neighbors are slightly less petty obnoxious dicks
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Apr 11, 2012 00:26
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Tubgirl Cosplay posted:About the same way it does in singleplayer, but your neighbors are slightly less petty obnoxious dicks Or slightly more. That's pretty much how I envisioned it. It'd be exactly as KoDP is, but the world is effectively limitless and neighbouring clans are other players. As for how turns and seasons would work, I'm no game designer but those browser games generally give you a set amount of turns per day. I guess each player would get 5 turns a day or something, and each day is a season.
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Apr 11, 2012 00:51
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How would you make generosity a virtue? Because in KoDP, handing out huge piles of stuff more or less at random is a very powerful strategy because all the clan members of other clans are impressed all to hell with you.
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Apr 11, 2012 01:53
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People keep saying that, but god drat the other clans are a bunch of whiny ungrateful punks nine times out of ten. I also wouldn't describe them as "impressed", so much as they know a gravy train when they see it. e: I would also end up with huge stockpiles of goods because I am awesome and everyone liked me enough as gift giving would take it. There is a point where you're just throwing poo poo away, its best to save them for when you really need to persuade people (kingmaking). Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Apr 11, 2012 |
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Apr 11, 2012 02:16
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What's your clan's reputation?
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Apr 11, 2012 02:17
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Mystic Mongol posted:What's your clan's reputation? Well this was a game I won a while ago so I'll take a stab and say it was pretty good. I just remember having issues getting the rest of the tribe to make a guy from my clan king twice in a row, which involved me partaking in some proto-regicide before they went with my guy.
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Apr 11, 2012 02:21
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Tufty posted:Or slightly more. I don't think it could work as a browser based game, but I think it *might* work if you could PBEM in rounds like, say, dominions 3. A game would just run until one player successfully completed the end game sequence and then scores would be tallied or whatever.
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Apr 11, 2012 02:31
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Tiler Kiwi posted:Well this was a game I won a while ago so I'll take a stab and say it was pretty good. I just remember having issues getting the rest of the tribe to make a guy from my clan king twice in a row, which involved me partaking in some proto-regicide before they went with my guy. Proto-regicide is always great. If you have enough magic you can just keep getting gifts from people!
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Apr 11, 2012 02:55
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That's a bit more evil than I went for. All I did was kill a few pretenders. And I guess on the very last year of the game, I went ahead and scarified to Malia about six times to launch plagues on each one of the clans that I had felt particularly miffed towards. Then I won the game and evaded all the consequences of my actions. A bit less wicked than my misuse of the proto prefix but what can you do.
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Apr 11, 2012 03:29
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This fuckin' game. I raid a neighbor with my tribemate, and another tribemate comes in and steals some of my cows while my weaponthanes are out. Gonna have my trickster speak for your king at the next election, assholes.
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Apr 11, 2012 20:59
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This has probably been posted already, but apparently the development teams runs a blog. http://kingofdragonpass.blogspot.com.au/ It's mostly sales data and promotional news, but there's some interesting stuff about the game mechanics in there. On a different topic - how do people find the controls on the iPhone? It feels like it would be automatically too large a game to put on such a small device, especially with the touch-screen, but every time I fire it up on my laptop I'm reminded of how small a screen resolution it actually runs on.
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A universal version is one that would run on any OS or device, right? I'm not up on my terminology. Edit: vvv Oh  That's too bad. I would've jumped at a chance to get myself a copy that works on modern computers without a whole lot of settings altered.
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Apr 16, 2012 15:31
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evilmiera posted:A universal version is one that would run on any OS or device, right? I'm not up on my terminology. No it means an executable that contains optimized modes for iphone and ipad devices. right now I think the ipad just runs a scaled-up version of the iphone game that doesn't look all that hot.
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Apr 16, 2012 15:32
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freebooter posted:This has probably been posted already, but apparently the development teams runs a blog. The controls are pretty good, and it really doesn't lack any information. It's really well-done. The only iffy part is the sliders for gifts/sacrifices/etc, it's hard to be precise with those, but I don't find it much of a big deal.
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gowb posted:The controls are pretty good, and it really doesn't lack any information. It's really well-done. The only iffy part is the sliders for gifts/sacrifices/etc, it's hard to be precise with those, but I don't find it much of a big deal. Plus one on this, particularly the last comment. Sliders are doubly annoying when playing with VoiceOver, especially the battle magic slider when I have, like, 2 points left. Due to some bug which has never adequately been explained, I can't increase it reliably. My only option is maximum magic, which upon reflection might not be a bad idea…
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There are a few places especially in hero quests where I accidentally selected the wrong option and (ie one I didn't mean to) and accidentally rendered my law speakers illiterate but mostly I think the controls are perfectly fine. I just won my first long game and was still so excited about the game that I immediately restarted it. I have to have kodp in my pocket I can't live without it.
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What's the best way to get heroquesting secrets? I can no longer sacrifice for mysteries for Lhankor My and Humakt, but when I go to the lore screen it just gives me the details of the heroquest, not the secrets. From doing the Urlanth heroquest it seems pretty important to know the secrets before going in and trial & error-ing it, but that might be what I have to do here.
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Apr 24, 2012 02:42
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Trade for them. Specifically, give enough gifts to another clan that they owe you a favor, and then call that favor in as knowledge.
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Apr 24, 2012 02:53
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Tulip posted:Trade for them. Specifically, give enough gifts to another clan that they owe you a favor, and then call that favor in as knowledge. It'll still take a while, though. Most clans just tell you stupid poo poo like the Sword Story or How Things Began, which we already know. You can also get secrets from events, like the Tarshite weaponthanes or uh...maybe the adventuring party?
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Arcturas posted:What's the best way to get heroquesting secrets? I can no longer sacrifice for mysteries for Lhankor My and Humakt, but when I go to the lore screen it just gives me the details of the heroquest, not the secrets. From doing the Urlanth heroquest it seems pretty important to know the secrets before going in and trial & error-ing it, but that might be what I have to do here. Are you absolutely sure you don't know the secrets? In the main "Lore" screen it'll show one - for stories you know the details of and = for quests you know the secrets of. When you tap the specific story you'll have to tap the symbol in the bottom left (a - or a = in a circle) to display more of the details. I've always been able to sacrifice to get the secrets for a quest like Lhankhor Mhy so I have no idea why that's happening for you. Sometimes you can sacrifice to, say, Ernalda and get secrets for an Orlanth heroquest but that makes sense because she's his wife and involved in both of his heroquests. For Lhankhor Mhy I would suggest sacrificing to Issaries or maybe Urox since they are involved in his quest. I don't really know if that will work but it's worth a try. Also: Trading for them is not that reliable since you can't pick what story you get the secrets for.
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I didn't say anything about it being fast or smooth sailing, just that it would work.
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If you can't sacrifice for mysteries, you know all there is to know. Not all hero quests have secrets, some just have details.
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That's not true. Once you know all the rituals of a god, you can no longer sacrifice for mysteries, whether you have their heroquest info or not. There's no option to sacrifice for heroquest info alone, and the only remaining option is what Tulip said. Unless you feel like waiting around for random events, which will take far, far longer.
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Is that so? I'm puzzled, I always seem to get all the HQ info reliably by sacrificing for mysteries. I'll have to test and see what happens, I've never once asked for info from another clan.
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zkline posted:Is that so? I'm puzzled, I always seem to get all the HQ info reliably by sacrificing for mysteries. I'll have to test and see what happens, I've never once asked for info from another clan. I got one last night for marrying off my clan's beauty. She cried but gently caress it, Elmal wasn't going to Guard the Stead by himself. I was getting my poo poo ruined by a Chaos monster; could only attract two Urox followers, no other clans would help me, would sacrifice a bunch, and it still kept murdering all my thanes and wreaking havoc. I finally managed to get rid of it (and you still get all that "gently caress you" damage when it dies) and another one came back within a year. I tried doing the Elmal quest to ward off Chaos but I apparently can't heroquest to save my life now. The second time I pre-emptively sacrificed a bunch of poo poo, got 4-5 Urox followers, some clans sent people to help, and I killed it. Hasn't come back since. Also, in the weird position of making friends with the trolls since one of my tribe-mate clans made that a condition of joining. I've got ice monsters as my ancestral enemy (seriously, easy mode) so it's not messing with my clan magic, but I successfully traded with a caravan of them. Kinda curious what would happen if I sent a party up to the queen's demesne. Out of curiosity, does the heroquest blessing that gives you domain over bulls and bull-headed creatures make you okay with the Beastfolk (even if you start harassing the ducks)? Also, the "allows our oxen to plow more land" blessing means more food, right? For once I've done a good job not starving my clan to death (amazing how quickly that will tank a clan's mood), but after the Chaos monster ate a bunch of my carls I've been having trouble recovering. I put some hunters to farming and recruited new farmers and things seem to be getting back to normal, but wanted to know for future reference. I've already got a shrine for the one that makes farmland more fertile when people die on it, and all the other obvious ones. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Apr 26, 2012 |
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Also, in the weird position of making friends with the trolls since one of my tribe-mate clans made that a condition of joining. I've got ice monsters as my ancestral enemy (seriously, easy mode) so it's not messing with my clan magic, but I successfully traded with a caravan of them. Kinda curious what would happen if I sent a party up to the queen's demesne. I've never been in your position but I have a pretty good hunch about this idea
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freebooter posted:That's not true. Once you know all the rituals of a god, you can no longer sacrifice for mysteries, whether you have their heroquest info or not. There's no option to sacrifice for heroquest info alone, and the only remaining option is what Tulip said. Unless you feel like waiting around for random events, which will take far, far longer.
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Apr 26, 2012 18:20
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Kekekela posted:is this a pc thing? On iOS I'm able to keep sacrificing for mysteries after I have all the rituals. I could keep sacrificing after I knew about all of them, but not once I had the details of all of them.
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freebooter posted:That's not true. Once you know all the rituals of a god, you can no longer sacrifice for mysteries, whether you have their heroquest info or not. There's no option to sacrifice for heroquest info alone, and the only remaining option is what Tulip said. Unless you feel like waiting around for random events, which will take far, far longer. I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Also, the "allows our oxen to plow more land" blessing means more food, right? For once I've done a good job not starving my clan to death (amazing how quickly that will tank a clan's mood), but after the Chaos monster ate a bunch of my carls I've been having trouble recovering. I put some hunters to farming and recruited new farmers and things seem to be getting back to normal, but wanted to know for future reference. I've already got a shrine for the one that makes farmland more fertile when people die on it, and all the other obvious ones. Pretty sure it's just what it says, lets you keep up annual production if you've got way too much land/not enough cattle. It's sort of a lovely blessing.
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If the trouble is lack of workers you want the other barntar blessing.
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I'm just pulling out of the starvation death spiral (none of my rear end in a top hat allies or people who owed me favors would pony up food). Continue to have horrible luck with heroquests, although I did manage to put away one at some point. What kind of magic surpluses do you guys run? Usually I wind up keeping 5 or so in reserve for random raids/rituals, but sometimes I wind up with a bunch from completing a quest or some other random awesome event. It seems the game always finds a way to gently caress me out of -17 magic in short order whenever that happens though... it's not even that I made a bad call, it'll just go "oh by the way this happened, you now have 0 (or negative number) clan magic". It's happened 2 for 2 times I've run a surplus over 15 for more than a year. In troll-related news, spotted their caravan again. This time I just showered them with gifts. They seemed confused but cautiously optimistic about my tribe. Quest Tribe, trollfriends. (Naturally, my clan name is Wu Tang)
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I usually run like 2 surplus - i just plow as much as i can into crops, diplomacy, trade, and mysteries early on.
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Apr 27, 2012 10:55
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Kekekela posted:is this a pc thing? On iOS I'm able to keep sacrificing for mysteries after I have all the rituals. Oh. Whoops. Disregard what I said! I'm definitely going to get around to buying the ios version, once I do the laborious task of picking up my iphone and moving my thumb around, but quick question - are there new random events?
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freebooter posted:are there new random events? Indeed there are, about 26 or so according to old blog posts. GOod luck distinguishing old from new though, their are so many old ones you only see under specific circumstances I imagine it would be a hard job.
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