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I think a lot of people report that they can do a 1.5m run just fine with interval training. Really the end of the story is that the military is totally retarded about this, and you should get out, if not for your sanity and your career, then for your body.
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Rrail posted:I think a lot of people report that they can do a 1.5m run just fine with interval training. Really the end of the story is that the military is totally retarded about this, and you should get out, if not for your sanity and your career, then for your body. Joke's on you, I'm going in! Wait a minute... 
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Apr 12, 2012 15:32
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Rrail posted:Simply put, being fast is much better (in my opinion) than being able to run long. For most people in a combat environment (read: on a FOB), what's going to save your life is how fast you can get to a bunker. I won't dare to speak for people out in the red, though.
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Apr 12, 2012 17:07
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This is why you do training that makes sense regardless of what the military wants you to do for their dumb test. You can't tell me that you can't meet the minimums of the PT test if you're in good shape, regardless of how much you hate distance running. 1.5 miles is NOT a distance run.
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Apr 12, 2012 18:11
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I am in just awful cardiovascular shape at this point, I am sure. I used to do 15 minutes @ 110rpm on a medium difficulty high climb mode on the exercise bike and my heart rate would read out as like 195bpm. So basically dancing on the edge of death. It came down over time of course but then I stopped doing that when like 8 different people told me "Stop doing cardio idiot". Gonna start doing HIIT again in mid-May. Not looking forward to puking.
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Apr 12, 2012 19:16
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Rrail posted:I am in just awful cardiovascular shape at this point, I am sure. I used to do 15 minutes @ 110rpm on a medium difficulty high climb mode on the exercise bike and my heart rate would read out as like 195bpm. So basically dancing on the edge of death. It came down over time of course but then I stopped doing that when like 8 different people told me "Stop doing cardio idiot". Good god, I don't think I've ever seen my heartrate above 170, and that's after full sprints. Your heart is going to explode. HIIT is probably the way to go for you, assuming you don't die in the process. Nice avatar by the way.
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Apr 12, 2012 20:40
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Gonna be nice and Army fat due to all of my lifting. I wonder if reserve tape tests are as hilarious as reserve APFTs. I can see myself suddenly having either 8 or 28% body fat.
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Apr 13, 2012 15:12
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psydude posted:Gonna be nice and Army fat due to all of my lifting. I wonder if reserve tape tests are as hilarious as reserve APFTs. I can see myself suddenly having either 8 or 28% body fat. Got taped at like... 22% at MEPS. I think I just stared at the Filipino dude for a minute after he said that, trying to figure out a more politic way to ask him if his parents were related. Tape test is so bad if you lift, it's amazing.
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Apr 13, 2012 21:31
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It is entirely possible to lift and not get a giant gut.
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Apr 13, 2012 22:10
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I actually had a lot of issues passing it back when I was skinny as poo poo and ran all the time. When I started lifting, my neck got thick enough that it stopped being an issue unless the person doing the measurements didn't know what they were doing (this happened to me at BOLC).
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Apr 13, 2012 23:29
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The navy tape the measure your waist and subtract your neck and check on the chart. The only way you really fail is if you have a bigass gut.
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Apr 13, 2012 23:36
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gently caress it, I'm just going to start doing power shrugs like three times a week. No-neck status, here I come!
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Apr 13, 2012 23:38
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The only way you fail the Navy taping is if you're fat as gently caress. Make all the excuses you want about it being inaccurate or whatever. You're too swole or your abnormally sized neck. But I only ever see the huge fatties fail. Not just the gut dudes.
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Apr 14, 2012 01:28
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I've seen really fat guys pass the army tape test and really skinny guys fail it. The key is to just have a big neck. The moment I started doing shoulder shrugs, the problem went away.
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Apr 14, 2012 02:36
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The Army uses the neck and waist as well. I have a 17 inch neck when I roll my traps forward, so I believe I can have up to a 41 or 42 inch waist and still pass. We have guys that look pregnant that pass as well.
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Apr 14, 2012 02:39
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When I was a CFL I routinely saw fatties lose upwards of 50 lbs only to still be overweight and have their bodyfat (according to the tape) go up. These guys just happened to lose a lot of fat in their neck area so the measurement decreased drastically in that area and not so much around the gut. I usually passed these guys because I can tell when someone is trying and when someone is a fat piece. I worked with this one kid who was all, "I lift cause I want to be strong. I don't need to be fast or skinny." Yeah, sure dude, you're still fat and you're not that strong.
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Apr 14, 2012 14:34
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Loss of neck fat?!
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Apr 14, 2012 16:39
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People lose fat in different areas at different rates.
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Apr 15, 2012 03:42
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I'm just saying unless they have some comically huge neck (which I can only seem to find on really fat fucks), the neck is not a place that appreciably stores any fat.
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Apr 15, 2012 03:45
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Henry Meowlins posted:I'm just saying unless they have some comically huge neck (which I can only seem to find on really fat fucks), the neck is not a place that appreciably stores any fat. My command was exclusive to the CT rating. That should tell you all you need to know.
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xwonderboyx posted:My command was exclusive to the CT rating. That should tell you all you need to know. Neck fat it is, then.
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So on my 2 mile run today, my 1.5 mile cardiovascular examination was satisfactory, but my half mile of heart at the end exceeded the standard. Now that I'm done with this nonsense for another 6 months it's time to get back into gains mode.
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psydude posted:So on my 2 mile run today, my 1.5 mile cardiovascular examination was satisfactory, but my half mile of heart at the end exceeded the standard. Get a 90, don't test for a year. That's a whole year of gains 
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Apr 16, 2012 02:03
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Everyone takes one every 6 months regardless of score in my unit. Besides, I'd take it anyway because that's the kind of leader I am 
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Apr 16, 2012 02:10
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Had a weekend long pain storm (Oorah reservist) USMC pft (got 20x pull-ups, 100x crunches and a 21:35 3 mile run. Run could have been better) 500m swim 30 minutes of treading water running all over the place 5.5 mile cross country ruck run with a 40# sand bag in 1:10 more running
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psydude posted:Everyone takes one every 6 months regardless of score in my unit. Besides, I'd take it anyway because that's the kind of leader I am Real leaders get fat, pencil whip their test, and then yell at their soldiers for being pussies when they don't max.
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Real leaders get fat, pencil whip their test, and then yell at their soldiers for being pussies when they don't max. -SGM's creed.
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Real leaders get fat, pencil whip their test, and then yell at their soldiers for being pussies when they don't max. I just had my section sergeant pencil whip the gently caress out of my body fat test so I could go to school "Hmm the computer doesn't round that right, lets measure you again and use the paper form." Actual APFT is this Saturday. I am relatively sure that I will not pass the run.
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Crazy Mike posted:I just had my section sergeant pencil whip the gently caress out of my body fat test so I could go to school
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gleep glop posted:I've seen people go to school with both a failing APFT and body fat. We're refusing to send people to WLC if they aren't passing both. I just had two E4s lose their slots because they failed the run and regulations don't permit a retest for four months.
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psydude posted:We're refusing to send people to WLC if they aren't passing both. I just had two E4s lose their slots because they failed the run and regulations don't permit a retest for four months. Unless it is different in the RC, then it is they have 90 days to take and pass the APFT in order to no be chaptered. They can take the APFT prior to the 90 days at their personal discretion.
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Unless it is different in the RC, then it is they have 90 days to take and pass the APFT in order to no be chaptered. They can take the APFT prior to the 90 days at their personal discretion. BN YTG puts it at 4 months minimum between record APFTs. In order for a soldier to retake a failed APFT it takes approval from that level. I'm trying to get a retake scheduled for those two failures in June, however their slots have already been given to people who passed.
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Note to self, don't let platoon smoke you on the last platoon pt session the day before an APFT. Most painful 2 miles I've ran in a while, couldn't really open up until the second mile, ended up coming in at 13:48, so I think I got a 292. I'll have to calculate it later since I just moved up to the 27-32 age bracket.
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I never understood the obsession with PTing 2-3 days before a graded event like an APFT or Marine PFT/CFT. Like that last minute workout is going to magically make you ace the loving test. Yep, they sure know how to set people up for success.
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elite_garbage_man posted:I never understood the obsession with PTing 2-3 days before a graded event like an APFT or Marine PFT/CFT. Like that last minute workout is going to magically make you ace the loving test. See, I always do the opposite. Schedule the APFT for a Tuesday, PT the unit hard up through the Friday before, give 'em the weekend to recover. Come Monday, run a slow jog to somewhere inconspicuous and stretch/bullshit for 45 minutes, then jog back for release formation.
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Apr 18, 2012 16:34
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I usually do a pretty nice long run 2-3 days before just to stay loose. I don't touch weights, though.
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GreenMeat posted:See, I always do the opposite. Schedule the APFT for a Tuesday, PT the unit hard up through the Friday before, give 'em the weekend to recover. Come Monday, run a slow jog to somewhere inconspicuous and stretch/bullshit for 45 minutes, then jog back for release formation.
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I had a drill sergeant bitch at me at FLW when I was taking one on the troop trail and I had to juke through a formation of trainees going about a half mile an hour on a ruck march. gently caress you, guy.
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Yeah if I'm taking an APFT gently caress your rules, out of my way. No one will care if I got stuck behind a formation or whatever, id get whatever the stop watch says.
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