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Joramun
Dec 1, 2011

No man has need of candles when the Sun awaits him.

bengraven posted:

I didn't think in this day and age there would be someone who's never heard of Edgar Allan Poe. I was like "um, probably the most famous American writer of the 19th century?"
I'd say that's Melville or Twain.

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Cartridgeblowers
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Bros 3

I just sat through a very fantastic presentation by Lauren Myracle, a YA author who wrote the "IM" books, if you guys have ever heard of them. I just finished her newest book, "Shine," and it's great! I've found that most authors I've met have been really... outgoing, I guess? Myracle's no exception, as she's going to lunch with my class tomorrow, but I guess I'm beginning to wonder where the stereotype of the loner, shut-in author comes from.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Joramun posted:

I'd say that's Melville or Twain.

Twain, quite likely. Melville, no. At least not worldwide. I'd only heard of Melville in high school and was already familiar with Twain and Poe at the time. I'm not American and it's anecdotal evidence but I think it's correct.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
You could claim Poe as the most *influential* writer, if not the most famous, for essentially inventing the detective genre.

Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Mar 29, 2012

bengraven
Sep 17, 2009

by VideoGames
He was pretty famous, but I wasn't going to tell her he was the "second or third" most famous writer. Unecessarily confusing. ha

Joramun
Dec 1, 2011

No man has need of candles when the Sun awaits him.

Matt Cruea posted:

I'm beginning to wonder where the stereotype of the loner, shut-in author comes from.

Juanito
Jan 20, 2004

I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?
Hell Gem
B*tches in Bookshops (based on N*ggas in Paris)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiEJk-o5WA&feature=youtu.be

I really liked this video.

Chamberk
Jan 11, 2004

when there is nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire
In all fairness, Squeaky's also a good name for a cat.

Joramun
Dec 1, 2011

No man has need of candles when the Sun awaits him.

Juanito posted:

B*tches in Bookshops (based on N*ggas in Paris)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiEJk-o5WA&feature=youtu.be

I really liked this video.
That was tremendous.

TFNC
May 8, 2007

^^^^Capitalism^^^^

Joramun posted:



Have you read A Room of One's Own? Woolf's alter-ego goes like all over the place; her argument is that authors need to write in privacy, not live in seclusion.

PatMarshall
Apr 6, 2009

Juanito posted:

B*tches in Bookshops (based on N*ggas in Paris)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiEJk-o5WA&feature=youtu.be

I really liked this video.

I really hated it. No-flow gimmick garbage.

hobbez
Mar 1, 2012

Don't care. Just do not care. We win, you lose. You do though, you seem to care very much

I'm going to go ride my mountain bike, later nerds.

Juanito posted:

B*tches in Bookshops (based on N*ggas in Paris)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQiEJk-o5WA&feature=youtu.be

I really liked this video.

They have no flow I would wreck these B*tches SERIOUSLY IT DOESNT RHYME AT ALL

0/10

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Does anyone know the rules for book copyright pre-1978? I want to share some scans from a kid's book from the early 50s (which hasn't been re-printed since) but I know TBB has an anti-:filez: rule.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Pick posted:

Does anyone know the rules for book copyright pre-1978? I want to share some scans from a kid's book from the early 50s (which hasn't been re-printed since) but I know TBB has an anti-:filez: rule.
As long as you're not dumping the whole thing it's fair use. Latawnya the Naughty Horse was posted in it's entirety.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Yeah, I'm not sure how I'd feel about just posting part of it, though. The cheapest price for it on Amazon, even for the paperback, is like $90 or something, and it's uncommon at libraries. That seems like a pretty harsh book-tease if people liked it. :(

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Pick posted:

Does anyone know the rules for book copyright pre-1978? I want to share some scans from a kid's book from the early 50s (which hasn't been re-printed since) but I know TBB has an anti-:filez: rule.

You'd have to PM a mod to get the specific rules for the forums, but here's how the law goes:

quote:

In the United States, all books and other works published before 1923 have expired copyrights and are in the public domain. In addition, works published before 1964 that did not have their copyrights renewed 28 years after first publication year also are in the public domain, except that books originally published outside the US by non-Americans are exempt from this requirement, if they are still under copyright in their home country.

So there's probably a decent chance that book is in the public domain.

Scipiotik
Mar 2, 2004

"I would have won the race but for that."
I am looking for a book for a friend. The subject of this book is English grammar and ways in which is is inefficient. The author then apparently goes through the book suggesting changes and then implements them as the book goes along. Apparently by the end of this book the grammar the author is using looks very alien to someone who just flips to the end, but is for the most part readable to someone who has read the entire book.

He said he heard about this book from a friend in the mid-90's and he's sure the friend heard about it on NPR (I tried looking through their book archives with no luck). Unfortunately he can't ask the friend as he is dead.

Does this book sound familiar to anyone? It sounds extremely interesting to me.

EricBauman
Nov 30, 2005

DOLF IS RECHTVAARDIG

Scipiotik posted:

I am looking for a book for a friend. The subject of this book is English grammar and ways in which is is inefficient. The author then apparently goes through the book suggesting changes and then implements them as the book goes along. Apparently by the end of this book the grammar the author is using looks very alien to someone who just flips to the end, but is for the most part readable to someone who has read the entire book.

He said he heard about this book from a friend in the mid-90's and he's sure the friend heard about it on NPR (I tried looking through their book archives with no luck). Unfortunately he can't ask the friend as he is dead.

Does this book sound familiar to anyone? It sounds extremely interesting to me.

Not a book, but it might be this:
A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by (maybe) Mark Twain
http://www.i18nguy.com/twain.html

Scipiotik
Mar 2, 2004

"I would have won the race but for that."

EricBauman posted:

Not a book, but it might be this:
A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by (maybe) Mark Twain
http://www.i18nguy.com/twain.html

Showed him that and he's pretty convinced you're right, too bad though, a more serious and prolonged treatment of it would be interesting.

politicorific
Sep 15, 2007
I was hoping someone could clue me into some recent Asian American literature (novels, short stories, poetry) dealing with cultural issues or East Asia. English language, not translated works like Haruki Murakami.

ShutteredIn
Mar 24, 2005

El Campeon Mundial del Acordeon

politicorific posted:

I was hoping someone could clue me into some recent Asian American literature (novels, short stories, poetry) dealing with cultural issues or East Asia. English language, not translated works like Haruki Murakami.

I Hotel by Karen Tei Yamashita is about Asian Americans in San Fran in the 60s, lots of formats (including a comic book chapter).

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
This is a bit high-brow but I picked up the latest collection of Julian Barnes short stories Pulse and I could have sworn I'd read one of them before in another anthology, the one with the old women. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

bengraven
Sep 17, 2009

by VideoGames
I'm trying to find a young adult novel from the 80s or 90s that I read in junior high.

It was about a young kid from America who goes to either Scotland or the area around Stonehenge to live. The kid finds out that there's a cult of druids or witches that lives there and worships late at night. One of the kids in the book has diabetes and I remember the end when the kid was suffering from insulin shock. I want to say the American kid's dad was in love with one of the local women.

I remember a scene where the kid goes down to the circle at midnight while they're worshiping and seeing his/her dad's girlfriend there among the people, wearing nothing but a robe that exposes her shoulders (as an in-puberty kid, this was essential to me) and she basically tries to seduce him.

cyberpunksurvivor
Dec 29, 2011

I am opposed to homosexuality for political reasons
I'm on a literature regimen in order to make myself a better writer, and so far I'm two for three of the big L lit books. I want my fourth to be a detective book, since that's the genre I want to write for. I want to read Chandler again, but I was wondering if I should read something more current in order to write for a modern audience. Any recommendations for a current noir book? Or a classic noir book?

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

cyberpunksurvivor posted:

so far I'm two for three of the big L lit books.

Huh? What are these?

Skrill.exe
Oct 3, 2007

"Bitcoin is a new financial concept entirely without precedent."

Ras Het posted:

Huh? What are these?

Moby Dick, Huckleberry Finn, and Great Gatsby?

Are you saying that those 3 are THE 3 big L literature books? If so, how did you come to that conclusion? They're all fantastic books but I'd like to know what you found in them that puts them into a category of their own.

VVV

Skrill.exe fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Apr 8, 2012

cyberpunksurvivor
Dec 29, 2011

I am opposed to homosexuality for political reasons

Skrill.exe posted:

Moby Dick, Huckleberry Finn, and Great Gatsby?
Gatsby, yes. I read The Sun Also Rises first and will read A Confederacy of Deuces next.

Oh, and I found the recommendation thread. I'll post there.

cyberpunksurvivor fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Apr 8, 2012

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.
A Confederacy of Dunces?? I'm infinitely confused.

Doppelganger
Oct 11, 2002

Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
I've been looking for a short story that I first heard about on SA, but google isn't helping. Basically it's about this kid who's a total rear end in a top hat. He somehow gets his hand on some serum that makes him immortal, and it ends with him getting shoved into wet concrete, pretty much encasing him forever. It may even be from a young adult book, but the premise always interested me. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Be Depressive
Jul 8, 2006
"The drawings of the girls are badly proportioned and borderline pedo material. But"

cyberpunksurvivor posted:

I'm on a literature regimen in order to make myself a better writer, and so far I'm two for three of the big L lit books. I want my fourth to be a detective book, since that's the genre I want to write for. I want to read Chandler again, but I was wondering if I should read something more current in order to write for a modern audience. Any recommendations for a current noir book? Or a classic noir book?

I am of the opinion that Dashiell Hammet is about 10x better than Chandler. Red Harvest is the prototypical literary noir but Maltese Falcon and The Thin Man are more commonly read. Hammet's work was very influential and his tropes became the staples of film noir. Personally I like his narrative style quite a bit and if you are reading to become a better writer, you can't go wrong with Hammet.

As far as later iterations of pulp detective fiction, Paul Auster's City of Glass is probably the most interesting thing anyone's ever done with it.

Chamberk
Jan 11, 2004

when there is nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire
So JK Rowling has announced the title and plot of her next book, to be published in late September:

http://www.littlebrown.co.uk/TheCasualVacancy

And I'm willing to bet that 99% of Potter fans will find it incredibly boring. Ah well.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot

Chamberk posted:

So JK Rowling has announced the title and plot of her next book, to be published in late September:

http://www.littlebrown.co.uk/TheCasualVacancy

And I'm willing to bet that 99% of Potter fans will find it incredibly boring. Ah well.
Shocking! Didn't she live on assistance while she was writing the first book or two?

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Chamberk posted:

So JK Rowling has announced the title and plot of her next book, to be published in late September:

http://www.littlebrown.co.uk/TheCasualVacancy

And I'm willing to bet that 99% of Potter fans will find it incredibly boring. Ah well.
It sounds very, very similar to the plot of Barchester Towers, complete with war metaphor and all.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I'm re-reading Tom Clancy's The Sum of All Fears, and I can't for the life of me recall just what was it Jack Ryan did to piss off Liz Elliott that she hates him so much. I can recall that it happened in Clear and Present Danger, but google just confirms that without giving any details.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Hey, just a heads up for you folks, a friend of mine has his first novel up for free in Kindle format this weekend. It's a paranormal suspense story called Rabbit in the Road, and I've rather enjoyed it. Check it out if you like!

http://www.amazon.com/Rabbit-in-the-Road-ebook/dp/B005VXJ7EG/

Fluffdaddy
Jan 3, 2009

Chamberk posted:

And I'm willing to bet that 99% of Potter fans will find it incredibly boring. Ah well.

I don't think she has the writing chops to produce anything but YA fantasy fiction and her going outside of her wheelhouse might be a mistake.

Her fans will make this a best seller just on name recognition alone, regardless of quality. The rest of humanity might be the ones who find it incredibly boring.

bengraven
Sep 17, 2009

by VideoGames
Anyone here ever read Peter Hathaway Capstick?

I was never a fan of hunting, especially the self-indulgent, pompous "great white hunting" in Africa and India that was romanticized in the 19th and early 20th century UK and America. But my grandfather and I were close and he was an avid hunter. He was also a very avid reader.

I picked up "Maneaters" one day while I was living with my grandparents and going to college. I was more interested in the macabre during those years, so I saw it as "death porn" literature, the kind that nerdy goth-wannabes like myself would love. But I fell in love with his writing style and his dark, self-aware humor and I moved on to "Death In the Long Grass" (keeping with the morbid theme) and I was hooked. I read all my grandfather had on him.

He still has almost all of Capstick's books, but until recently I could not find them for less than a Benjamin a piece in used book stores. No local libraries kept his books in stock and at the time I started growing fond of the books (1998 approximately), he wasn't very popular in Yahoo searches on Netscape.

I sent one of those "ask for this on Kindle" requests a few months ago and apparently some other people must have also yearned for it, because now they're all on Kindle.

Now I'm torn. I'm considering buying them to put some money into his estate, but at the same time, my grandfather is getting up there in years and when he goes, I know my grandma will think of me (I hope, I would assume) when she sees his huge collection of books she will likely give me them. While there are plenty of hunters in my family, there are only a few hardcore readers I would have to compete with.

bigperm
Jul 10, 2001
some obscure reference
I have to do an oral presentation in my English class. Basically it's reading a sonnet or 14 lines of another work by Shakespeare. I feel everyone in the class is going to just read the first 14 lines of 'To be or not to be'. I am totally unfamiliar with Shakespeare was was looking to solicit some suggestions.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty
I'm partial to #130 ("My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun"), but that's a pretty standard answer. Just have some fun with it, Shakespeare sure did. It's more obviously true in Donne than in Shakespeare, but basically: if something looks like it just might be a sex joke, it is. Also, every reference to death or fire is a sex joke.

Anyways, the point of the sonnet is the volta, or turn, and the point of the Shakespearean sonnet is that the turn happens quite quickly in the final couplet, rather than in the sestet. So in your reading, just, like, stress that.

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Idonie
Jun 5, 2011

bigperm posted:

I have to do an oral presentation in my English class. Basically it's reading a sonnet or 14 lines of another work by Shakespeare. I feel everyone in the class is going to just read the first 14 lines of 'To be or not to be'. I am totally unfamiliar with Shakespeare was was looking to solicit some suggestions.

This site will help: http://www.shakespeares-sonnets.com/

I've loved Shakespeare for a long time, but it took a particularly amazing English professor towards the end of my undergrad to make me aware of just how cracktastic the sonnets can be. I am particularly fond of 29 ("When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes"), 57 ("Being your slave what should I do but tend" -- somewhat emo), and 73 ("That time of year thou mayst in me behold"), although it's sort of hard for a high school/college student to deliver 73 with any semblance of conviction.

If you're feeling like being full of bitter neurosis and rage, try 129 ("The expense of spirit in a waste of shame") which is all about how disgusting it is to have sex and yet how the poet can't resist it.

And if you want one that's sex jokes all the way through, look at 135 ("Whoever hath her wish, thou hast thy Will"). Will means all sorts of things, including a reference to Shakespeare himself, and lust, and male sex organs.

Have fun!

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