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SouthShoreSamurai posted:Do you speak English? quote:So much better. The new diagram is prettier, but less clear on what it's trying to illustrate.
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I've always been a bad pool player, but I could still beat all my friends when we were kids. After seeing peoples' reaction to that diagram, I'm just now realizing it was probably because i understood i was knocking two spheres together and they didn't.
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jase1 posted:I have mentioned this in the thread before but I will say it again I have an ego. It has gotten me in trouble a lot in my life and I have deserved all of the it. I still have an ego but I have learned how to keep it in check. I was 22 and I just came back from a week long pool tournament in Detroit and I cleaned out a ton of players the whole week I was there. I must have made close to 5 or 6 grand for the whole week. I thought I was king poo poo and I acted like it. I would go to a pool hall and just be a dick, I would gamble with people but at the same time berate them and talk poo poo to them and so on and I was on such an ego trip, but my confidence was sky high and I just couldn't lose. I had played this guy Bruce who hated my guts already just because of my last name. He was a coke head and if he was really high on coke I could usually take him for a couple hundred. I was dating this girl at the time that was way out of my league but she loved the lifestyle of gambling and drugs and alcohol. As long as I kept that flowing she was around which in turn inflated my ego even more. So she is with me and I decide I am going to impress her and take some money of this guy Bruce. We decide on a 5-4 race for $300. I crush Bruce 5-0 and I don't remember much of what I said but I do remember what set him off. After I beat him and he paid me I was cracking jokes about him being bald and he started to leave. I yelled pretty loud as he was walking out the door "let me know how your coke dealers dick tastes when you see him tonight". Everyone is laughing and the next thing I know he grabs me by the throat pushes me onto the pool table and smashing me in the face with his fists and then he slammed my head against the pool table and knocked me out. I woke up on the table with the paramedics asking me a bunch of questions. He gave me a broken nose and a concussion. No one helped me or anything except after Bruce left they called the ambulance. The girl I was with actually stopped talking to me after that because she was so embarrassed to be around me. My Uncle gave me a pretty good lecture about that one. Bruce eventually got popped for selling coke a few years later and I have no clue whatever happened to that dude I haven't seen him in probably 10 years. I would love to watch a movie made about your life.
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BirdOfPlay posted:OP, you mentioned how, for the "big games/bets" you have somebody that holds the money and has your back. That sounds a little complicated and involved for an everyday thing. Especially if you don't get any big money flowing. I don't always have a guy that holds my money or comes with me, that is really only if I set up a big time match and I am worried for my safety or if I go on the road. I sometimes travel into Michigan or West Virginia to look for action in various pool halls. If I do that I have a friend, and for purposes of this story I will just call him D, who goes with me and is basically my bodyguard. I have known him for a really long time and he basically works the door at various illegal casinos around town. I literally trust him with my life and a there are times he has pulled me out of a situation that would have ended badly for me. About 9 or 10 years ago I setup a game at this pool hall in Detroit with a local money player. He wanted to play 9 ball for $100 a game and he said he would play until either of us ran out of money. He was at the time a big time drug dealer in the area. I saw him at various events and took money from a couple of his friends. I had heard through word of mouth that he always talked poo poo about me and wanted to play me. We finally decided to set up a match. I went and after we played for about 12 hours he was up $200 so basically we were close to even in skill. He was a really good player but what helped him a lot was he had this huge intimidating entourage. We decided to take a hour break to get something to eat and rest for a few. I went to get some food with D and he was letting me know right away that he thinks this is a bad situation to be in. He felt like this guy and his entourage where scoping me out to potentially either rob me or beat the poo poo out of me or whatever. D just didn't feel safe. I told him I appreciated it but I wanted to try and at least win some money off this guy and if it got heated we could just bail. We go back and start another long session. I get up $700 and I can tell that this guy is not liking that I am winning. I talk to D about getting ready to leave soon because things are getting weird. I just felt like I wasn't wanted there and something may go down. We start to play another game and I put the money on the rack and next thing I know D grabs my coat, my stick and literally grabs me by the neck and pulls me out of there. I have no clue what is going on but D just tells me to get the gently caress out of there. We hit the road and he tells me that one of the guys was handing a gun to another guy and it seemed like they were getting ready to do something. At the time I was basically mother loving d up and down about the way he handled it but when I came to my senses I realized that he probably just saved my life. That's why I pay D well and until he tells me no he will always be the guy who goes with me. D always seems to know if something is going to go down. He really is great at reading a situation and to be honest I would rather have him be to overprotective because in the long run I actually like being alive.
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BirdOfPlay posted:I need to make the cue ball contact at that spot. Is that what's been plaguing my game? (Besides only playing once in a blue moon) Yes. To summarize: 1) Pretend you want to hit the object ball directly into the pocket, with your cue stick (without having to use the cue ball). The point at which you'd hit the ball is called "point of contact". 2) The cue ball needs to hit the object ball at this point of contact. You are correct about that. 3) Aim accordingly. It's not as simple as pointing your cue stick directly at that spot, as shown in the previous diagrams. Now back to OP's amazing stories 
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muskrat posted:The problem is the balls are spherical. Take a really extreme cut shot (like a cut at ~90 degrees). If you aim your cue at the edge of the object ball where you want to hit it, the cueball will actually make contact "before" that (closer to a straight-on hit) and you'll miss. You have to account for the shape of the cueball. Yeah, what I meant was that I was taking into account exactly what you were talking about and still only had intermittent success. I think paying closer attention to the object ball and picturing it going in before the stroke is a confidence thing for me. If I spend too much time thinking about it, I usually gently caress up.
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squeakygeek posted:Do you speak English? Quite well, thank you. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Anyways this thread should probably have more stories and less pool physics now. I think the basics have pretty much been covered so people that don't play at all have an idea of what's being talked about.
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One of the advantages of being a really good pool player is it makes it really easy to pick up women. I have dated several women who are way out of my league just because they are attracted to the lifestyle I live. When you go into a bar and take over the table you would be amazed at how many women will approach you. I don't consider myself to be Gods gift to women or anything like that. In fact I suck at approaching women and most of the time I would make a fool of myself so a lot of the women I have dated are because they have approached me. When I say I have an ego thats more related to my skills in pool. I went to a friends law firm work party at Dave and Busters about 7 years ago because he was bragging me up about how I could beat anyone in pool. It was a basically a bunch of really young cocky lawyers who have money to burn and free alcohol which is a perfect combination for hustling. The Dave and Busters here in my area has these really amazing tables that they take care of. I love shooting on those tables because they are huge and taken care of on a daily basis. I get there about 2 hours into the party and most of the people are already drunk or close to it. My friend brags me up and one of the lawyers talks about how he grew up in bars and can beat anyone in pool. He was cracking jokes about me bringing my own stick and things like that and saying he hopes I brought a lot of money. We start off small playing for $20 a game and I let him win 4 games for a total of $80. While those matches are going on I notice that this girl comes over and starts talking to him. She is beautiful and I couldn't help but stare at her especially while he was shooting. She caught me looking a few times and I could tell she liked the attention. I ask my friend about her and he says it just some girl this guy invited but they aren't together or anything. So I figure now that this guy has beaten me a few times I am going to get my money back and more. I ask him if he wants to play for $50 a game. I tell him I only have $100 left in my pocket so if I lose 2 more games I am done for the night. He says to me well it looks like your night is going to end early because I am going to take your last $100. I got him hook line and sinker. I win the next 2 games and he only went to the table once and that was because I had to play a safety on him. He is getting more and more pissed and tries to pull the I will bet more money then this guy has technique. He says lets up the stakes and play for $500 a game with him thinking I don't have that kind of money. I tell him fine and pull out 5 $100 bills and put it on the table and tell him he can break if he wants because it will probably be his only chance at the table. He now realizes that he has been hustled and is having none of it. He calls me a few choice words and goes to the girl he is with to get out of there and I can see they are kind of arguing. He gets super pissed off and storms out of the pool area and she walks up to me and asks if I want to play a few games and we ended hanging out all weekend together. I didn't even have to hit on her she approached me all because I embarrassed her friend in pool.
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Can you link to the repo thread? I don't have the platinum upgrade thingie anymore to find it. If your writing there is like this thread I'd love to read it. Tell us more stories where D had to help you out.
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Man, the life you lead sounds super dangerous and straight from a movie. That story about you and D and betting against big mobsters is ridiculous. Has anyone you know ever been killed or severely injured over a game of pool?
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jase1 posted:mad story of hustling dude for $500 and getting the girl like an 80s movie This is the coolest thing in the history of the world. edit: also, pool - actually a bloodsport. who knew?! edit2: a movie.. with these scenes played out interspersed with voice-overed short chunks of technical pool instruction and the art of the hustle from the main character jase1.. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Apr 13, 2012 |
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What's the biggest error average players tend to make? I would say hitting shots too hard but I'm curious what you think. I remember, when I used to play a lot, getting my rear end handed to me by this one guy who hit almost every shot very gently and watching him really helped my game. I'd never really thought about the fact that I was striking every shot too hard and how much harder that made it to control the cue ball. Is there any tendency in average players that will give away the fact that they're not really as good as they're pretending to be? Like a "tell" in poker or something like that? Good thread.
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Kaal posted:Since APA rules don't mandate sportsmanship, what prevents an APA player from "coaching" their opponent over and over again and getting a free ball in hand each time? It seems like a really stupid rule.
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Jastiger posted:Can you link to the repo thread? I don't have the platinum upgrade thingie anymore to find it. If your writing there is like this thread I'd love to read it. I can't link to the repo thread because I can't find it. I don't see it bookmarked in my favorites anymore. I get new stories every week from my job so when I get some time I will start a new thread about the repos. Let me give you some background on D just to show you what type of guy he is. The best way to describe him physically is he reminds me of Ving Rhames. I am sure he is not as big as him but he is a pretty intimidating person. D has a really hosed up childhood both of his parents abandoned him when he was 10 and he basically lived in foster care until he was 18. He was in and out of prison for a really long time and while in prison he told me he basically got the poo poo kicked out of him everyday until he learned how to fight and started fighting back. He has a scar on the back of his neck from where he was stabbed by another guy in prison because he wouldn't join their gang. His last stint in prison was when he was around 23 or 24. When he got out of prison a local guy around here who runs these underground casinos hired him to basically be the doorman at his place or a muscle man. I met him because he would always frisk me as I went into these places and I was a regular at the poker tables. I have watched him literally grab people by their clothes and just throw them out of places. Sometimes it's kind of funny because he picks them up with such ease that it looks fake, like there are wires holding the guy up, but no D really is that strong. I asked him if he wants to make extra money and help me out sometimes and he loves it because most of the time he just sits there and looks tough and he doesn't have to do poo poo. It's really funny sometimes because he loves Christopher Hitchens books because he is fascinated with religions and atheism so here is this huge muscle guy sitting in a pool room wearing glasses reading books but at the drop of the hat he will wreck your poo poo if he has too. D came with me once when I went on a tour of the pool halls in West Virgina. My family is from West Virgina and I use to go there when I was kid for family reunions and stuff like that. My Uncle Frank knows every pool room in that state and he told me which ones would likely have the most money in them. So D goes with me and we find this poolhall in Charleston. I call the owner to let him know that I am a road player looking for action and I show up there later that night with a line of people wanting to play me. I beat a couple of people for small amounts of money $50 or $100 games and things like that. I am doing pretty good and making some decent amount of money in small increments. The pool hall closes at 4 am and reopens at noon. So I get a hotel and we decide to stay there a few days until the money runs out. I was there for 2 nights and doing pretty good I had only played one other guy that was close to my skill level but he didn't have a lot of money and he couldn't find a backer so we only played a few games. I noticed there was an older guy maybe in his late 50's who had been paying attention to every game I played. I figured either he was scouting me out to play me or checking me out for someone else to play me. The one night I am just finishing shooting around looking for action the old guy approaches me about playing a game. We decide on the a match and to be honest I can't even remember what the terms of the match was. I remember beating him and him getting more and more frustrated each time I take money from him. The owner finally decides to close up and he is kicking every one out. We walk outside and we get surrounded by 4 guys including the old man. Basically they are a bunch of racist shitheads who don't like the fact that D is in their pool room and also that I have pretty much beaten every one. The one guy has a bat and of course my gun is in the hotel room because I didn't feel like I was going to be in trouble in anyway. D just steps forward pulls his gun out and says these exact words in the most calmest way possible "I just want you fellas to know that I am prepared right now to get the poo poo kicked out of me, but just so you know I will make sure at least one of you will die tonight before you succeed in kicking the poo poo out of us." They just back off and we go straight to my car and hightail it out of there. I remember telling D that night that he is the baddest man on the planet and I still believe that. ImPureAwesome posted:Man, the life you lead sounds super dangerous and straight from a movie. That story about you and D and betting against big mobsters is ridiculous. Has anyone you know ever been killed or severely injured over a game of pool? There is a guy who plays in the pool leagues around town that was gambling with some random group of guys and they ended up jumping him later in the night and paralyzed him from the waist down. He plays while still in a wheel chair and he is a really good shot too. I don't know him personally I just have heard the stories from various people around here. He has this bridge that he sets on the table every time he shoots to help him reach the cueball it's pretty amazing to watch him shoot.
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I thought I remembered your Repo Man thread and had it in my browser history, but when I found it again it was actually by some other guy.
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"Ask me about being the guy who decides if you get to keep your car or not!" http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3400792
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WoG posted:Coaching applies to teammates, not your opponent. The rules simply prohibit receiving illegal aid, which is defined as coaching from someone other than your coach. Exceptions are made only for telling a person to mark their pocket when shooting the 8-ball, or that a foul has occurred. If there's further limitations than that it's not in the APA rulebook.
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If you think that you're going to tell your opponent something and that your opponent is going to be penalized as a result, you're nuts.
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evensevenone posted:If you think that you're going to tell your opponent something and that your opponent is going to be penalized as a result, you're nuts. I didn't write it. I just think that it's a really stupid rule.
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evensevenone posted:If you think that you're going to tell your opponent something and that your opponent is going to be penalized as a result, you're nuts. In my experience opponents banter all the time and nobody cares. It's just that nobody else is allowed to talk to them outside of coaches (and the occasional "that was a nice shot" type thing). If you actually take shot advice from your opponent you pretty much are on the hook for whatever it gets you. VVV: Doesn't matter in APA rules, 8-ball score is kept by game (ie, individual balls don't 'count', only whether you dropped the 8-ball (after dropping all of 'your' balls)). In 9-ball, yes, if you scratch any other balls you pocketed are 'dead balls' and don't count toward the score. WarLocke fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Apr 14, 2012 |
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8-ball: If you scratch, do you take out any balls that you also shot in during that shot (plus ball in hand), or do you take out one and only one ball, regardless if you made it during that shot (plus ball in hand)?
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When I started playing what I would do is place the cue ball on the foot spot and shoot for the center diamond on the head rail, and keep my stick over the foot spot. If I do it right the cue ball will roll back to the foot spot and lightly touch the end of my stick. Just like your coke bottle trick it taught me to hit the cue ball in the center otherwise the english would cause it to miss my stick. It also made me shoot at the same power. To light and it wouldn't make it back to my stick and to hard would cause the cue ball to deflect off of my stick and I would have to set the shot back up. It's also is a good way for me to see if the table is level and help me pick a lovely bar stick im comfortable with. The coke bottle thing would have been a hell of a lot easier but I don't know to many people that would not pitch a bitch fit about having an overturned bottle on their felt. On a good day I can usually make the shot 4 out of 5 times. What would be a good next step for improving my game?
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Well I got marked last night! Inspired by this thread, I went to a pool hall and rented my own table and was practicing for a while. Some dude comes up offering five dollars a game and I decline, later I go to his friend who was apparently the hustler. There did not seem to be any action at the hall, so I offer him drinks in return for playing me and giving me tips. Also the first time I've been offered an "x to y" race. He had a 1,200 dollar cue and a concealed gun. I ended up having an awesome night. Pool hustlers know how to party. Also I broke the tip off of my lovely cue and need a new one. Any brand advice? I don't want to spend more than 100. Bishop fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Apr 14, 2012 |
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Let's say I'm in a big pool hall. There are 100 people in there. How many are hustlers, how many are random pool hall guys who will drop some money on the table, and how many are just folks playing pool who don't want to involve money? I'm kind of curious how many sharks, fish and minnows are in your average sea.
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Grifter posted:Let's say I'm in a big pool hall. There are 100 people in there. How many are hustlers, how many are random pool hall guys who will drop some money on the table, and how many are just folks playing pool who don't want to involve money? I'm kind of curious how many sharks, fish and minnows are in your average sea. This is simply... beautiful. Best analogy about anything that I've ever heard.
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dpush posted:What would be a good next step for improving my game? Learning when and how to use english is your next step. If you feel comfortable making any shot on the table without putting english on it then you once you learn english the it becomes so much easier to control will the cueball will go after contact. Bishop posted:Also I broke the tip off of my lovely cue and need a new one. Any brand advice? I don't want to spend more than 100. In my opinion Cuetec makes some of the best quality made cues and everyone I know who has one has no complaints about it. Grifter posted:Let's say I'm in a big pool hall. There are 100 people in there. How many are hustlers, how many are random pool hall guys who will drop some money on the table, and how many are just folks playing pool who don't want to involve money? I'm kind of curious how many sharks, fish and minnows are in your average sea. I would say if there is a pool hall with 100 people in it at any given time about %70 of those people would be gamblers. They might not all be hustlers but they will gamble on pool. Most of the poolrooms I go to there are not that many people in them. Maybe 15 at the most until there is some action and then the hustlers show up. Story time. I play a lot of poker in the area and over the years I have become friends with quite a few degenerate poker players in the area. They all know about me and pool but most of them have never seen me shoot. We all decided to go out drinking Friday at this place called Fox and Hound. They have a huge selection of pool tables and that's where local tourneys are played most of the time. I know all the waitresses and I'm pretty friendly with the staff and they have helped me a few times when I was gambling. Letting me know people looking to shoot for money or thing like that. I get there early to shoot a few matches before anyone shows up to get some practice. These guys are degenerates and will bet on anything so I knew I could make some money off of someone. After a few hours of everyone showing up and drinking this young kid named Tom showed up. I know who he is but he has no clue who I am. He is just a young 21 year old kid with a huge ego. He won 10k online in poker and blew most of it up his nose before his parents got a hold of him and locked his bank account and sent him to rehab. That was when he was 16. Everyone has been talking about him a lot because he is the knew guy at games and semms to drop a lot of money at games. I am pretty drunk and I have gambled with a few other people and made about $60 for the night. I have had the table all night and no one can beat me which most people already know that they wont be able to we just like having a good time. Tom starts talking poo poo about how he can beat anyone and he goes as far as to say he will challenge anyone in here to a game of pool. I step right up and tell him name the stakes, game and how many games and lets do this. He seems sort of surprised that someone stepped up so quickly. He says lets play 8 ball, race to 5 for $100. I noticed that the whole time he is there he has been hitting on our waitress Kat. I know Kat and I know her boyfriend so he has no shot with her but of course he doesn't know this. He is just trying to look like a big shot and I am going to use this to my advantage. My girlfriend and my friends wife are on the table so we are waiting until they are done before we can shoot our match. Kat comes over to the table and he starts telling her to stick around and watch him take my money. Kat says to him with this deadpan expression "are sure your talking about this guy?". He still has no clue what he is getting into and his ego is growing. I tell him to make it a race for $500 since he is so confident. Kat goes right along with it and starts stroking his ego telling him that he can beat me and stuff like that. He says fine goes to the atm takes some money out and now we are playing a race to 5 for $500. I win the first 2 without breaking a sweat and offer him a chance to buy out now for $200 and he declines. I let him win the 3rd and he lets out this huge yell after he beats me. Not really knowing that I let him win the 3rd by giving him ball in hand. I beat him the 4th match and give him one more opportunity to buy out of the bet now for $300 and it will be my last offer. He says no and racks them up and I hit the 8 on the break but the cueball scratches giving him the win. It's now 3-2 and he starts talking poo poo about how he is coming back and I have no shot and I am cracking under the pressure. I ask him if he wants to up the stakes and make it for $1000. He says no because I already have the lead and its not fair. I tell him that he is not going to win another game so it won't matter anyway. He says he will make it $1000 if he only has to win 1 more game and I have to win 3. I say no problem lets do it. He doesn't have the money on him but he borrows it from a couple of the guys we are partying with and now its basically a 3-1 race. I have to win 3 games before he wins 1. I beat him 3-0 with ease and collect my winnings. All the people that we are with are giving him poo poo now because he got hustled and he had no clue. Kat got a nice $100 tip from me for helping me hustle him and she didn't even expect anything for it. If it wasn't for her I probably wouldn't have got that much money out of him. He came up to me as we were leaving the bar that night and told me he learned a valuable lesson. I would normally believe someone when they say that except I saw him at a poker game Saturday night and he was telling everyone that he was going to take all their money from them at the tables. He didn't last an hour before he lost $600 and was broke. Some people never learn.
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I don't really agree with your ethics 100%, but you definitely gave that guy as many chances as he could have wanted. Poor dumbass is gonna be doing that poo poo all his life. It's kind of depressing. Have you ever read Going Postal? The main character is a conman/hustler and has a similar philosophy to what you expressed earlier, how he just leaves an opportunity open and pretends to be clueless, and people are lining up to (so they think) swindle him out of his money.
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Just curious how often in a race like that you might accidentally pocket the cueball on the eight and give the guy the win?
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SaucyPants posted:Just curious how often in a race like that you might accidentally pocket the cueball on the eight and give the guy the win? I could not even begin to tell you how many times I have lost because I scratched on the break after I made the 8. That shot that you do is not a guarantee its just a high percentage shot. You never really know where the cue ball is going to go after you try it either because all the balls are moving on the table at once. There are times that I scratch on the 8 ball not on the break but during a match to give a guy a win. Especially if he is getting frustrated and there is potential for him to leave. You have to let the guy win a little before going in for the kill or he could bail really quickly and you could not make much money. That book sounds interesting and I will check it out. I still need to watch the twilight zone episode talked about earlier in the thread. I just don't get a lot of time to watch tv. Edit: Whoops going postal is a book not a movie. I fixed that. jase1 fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 16, 2012 |
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Do you always go for the 8-ball break? I think I understand how the break works, but it seems like you're at higher risk for scratching on the break. If you know you're better, why not just do a safer break most of the time?
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muskrat posted:Do you always go for the 8-ball break? I think I understand how the break works, but it seems like you're at higher risk for scratching on the break. I always go for the 8 on the break unless I am in a situation where it is the last game for a lot of money. Then I play it safe. The only honest answer I can give to your second question is it's an ego thing. I like to do it, it makes people notice me, sometimes people cheer or get really excited when it happens. It also can help put me in the zone which helps my confidence. There have been times when I played someone who I wasn't sure I could win. I hit the 8 on the break and it just skyrockets my confidence which in turn helps me win. It is also a huge blow to my opponents ego. Winning a game that quickly can really screw with your opponents head and cost him the match. My girlfriend plays in league pool and it was one of the first things I taught her was the 8 on the break. She is a 4 in the APA and until she met me she never played pool. Men in pool HATE losing to women. If a girl gets a lead on a really good player I watch them self destruct all the time just because they are embarrassed to lose to a woman. So one of the places her team has to shoot is this really lovely strip club. The table is in the back right by the dressing rooms for the dancers so its really hard to concentrate with strippers running in and out of the dressing rooms passing right by the tables. She has to play the team captain who is Mr. Macho I know all the strippers type guy and I know right away if she beats him 1 game or frustrates him he will be done. He was playing with her a little bit missing some shots on purpose and just goofing around instead of taking her serious. He wins the first game but then he scratches on the 8 the second game. She goes for the 8 on the break and nails it. I watch his face turn from mr cool calm collected guy to basically scared shitless because he might get beat. Now he is nervous and frustrated which in turn hurts his game and my girlfriend gets the win. I remember watching him sitting back down on the bar stool in just disbelief that he lost. I thought he was actually going to puke for a few minutes. I was talking to a couple of the other people on his team and they told me he had never lost to a woman before and he almost just left because he was so embarrassed.
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Apr 17, 2012 20:17
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jase1 posted:I always go for the 8 on the break unless I am in a situation where it is the last game for a lot of money. Then I play it safe. I see, makes sense. Where do you find the safest break to be? I'm guessing straight on?
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Apr 17, 2012 21:14
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muskrat posted:I see, makes sense. Where do you find the safest break to be? I'm guessing straight on? In my limited experience, yeah, straight on and with bottom english will stop the cue ball relatively in the center of the table (plus wherever it gets knocked by all the balls going everywhere).
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Apr 17, 2012 22:10
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WarLocke posted:In my limited experience, yeah, straight on and with bottom english will stop the cue ball relatively in the center of the table (plus wherever it gets knocked by all the balls going everywhere). Doesn't low english hurt ball separation on the break? Just curious, I don't play a lot of pool.
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Apr 18, 2012 19:25
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factorialite posted:Doesn't low english hurt ball separation on the break? Just curious, I don't play a lot of pool. You shoot low to 'stop' the cue ball, but if you put enough force behind it to begin with (without ripping up the felt, don't be that guy) you get a pretty good breakout regardless. The main thing is bottom english stops the cue ball (or even draws it back if you put a crazy lot of it on there) which leaves it somewhere in the middle of the table and (relatively) safe from a scratch. tldr: it probably does give less of a breakout than a simple straight break, but physics is physics and balls are still gonna go rollin'.
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Apr 18, 2012 19:41
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You could ask 100 pool players this same question about what type of english to put on the ball when breaking straight ahead and it would probably be 50/50. Some say bottom english is the safest way to play it some say top. When I break straight ahead I put top english on it and this is why. When the balls break the 8 usually stays relatively close to the break out area. If you put top english on it sometimes the cue ball will spin right into the 8 and make it in the back corner pocket. It does not happen a lot but it gets that 8ball moving on the break which is always a good thing. I told a story about hustling this young kid named Tom DV earlier and he is now trying to get some of his friends to play me. He is convinced I am not that good and telling people he is going to hustle me. What he doesn't know is the people he is telling these things to are letting me in on everything. He doesn't seem to be smart. I ran into him last night and we decided to make a prop bet and I ran the oldest hustle in the book on him. The prop bet goes like this. He gets 4 chances to play me in pool anytime before the kickoff of the NFL this year which is in September. He can show up anywhere I am that has a pool table and challenge me and I have to play him. I get to break every time and as soon as it is his turn he can take 3 balls of his off the table. We are going to play a total of 4 games he only has to win 1. He chooses the time and place of the first 3 and if he doesn't beat me I choose the time and place of the last game. The hustle is basically this, by taking 3 balls of the table it opens it up for me and makes it easier to make my balls. He for some reason doesn't understand this but I am not complaining he seems to like losing money. The winner gets $500.
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Apr 18, 2012 20:01
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jase1 posted:You could ask 100 pool players this same question about what type of english to put on the ball when breaking straight ahead and it would probably be 50/50. Some say bottom english is the safest way to play it some say top. When I break straight ahead I put top english on it and this is why. When the balls break the 8 usually stays relatively close to the break out area. If you put top english on it sometimes the cue ball will spin right into the 8 and make it in the back corner pocket. It does not happen a lot but it gets that 8ball moving on the break which is always a good thing. Wow. I'm starting to see why the thread title calls these folks "dummies." This guy is going to just pour money into your pocket, isn't he.
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Apr 18, 2012 20:47
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Jefepato posted:Wow. I'm starting to see why the thread title calls these folks "dummies." This guy is going to just pour money into your pocket, isn't he. It was the whole reason I named this thread. I consider most of the people I gamble with dumb. There is a reason this strange guy is trying to gamble with you on pool. It amazes me that people still don't get it. I mean if some guy came up to me and wanted to gamble in golf or basketball I would right away be questioning it but that might be because I grew up around this type of stuff and I know a lot of the tricks.
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Apr 18, 2012 22:07
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I remember this from Pool Hall Junkies and I can't help but 
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jase1 posted:It was the whole reason I named this thread. I consider most of the people I gamble with dumb. There is a reason this strange guy is trying to gamble with you on pool. It amazes me that people still don't get it. I mean if some guy came up to me and wanted to gamble in golf or basketball I would right away be questioning it but that might be because I grew up around this type of stuff and I know a lot of the tricks. Reminds me of a saying an old math teacher of mine told us after telling a story about him losing some money in game of darts when he was in college. "If someone comes and bets you they can do something, don't be an idiot. They aren't gonna be looking bets if they can't do it."
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