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Darkveld
Oct 25, 2010

the kawaiiest posted:

Oh I can wait. I didn't know about that -- thanks for the heads up!

Take a look at the HTC Flyer, it may not have a dual core CPU, but it has a 1.5 GHZ core that does the job a lot better then most dual cores, also has a much bigger battery then the a100 and a better screen around the exact same price and can use a stylus.

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ModestMuse
Jun 25, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your GPS
I'd be a heavenly person today
ASUS announced a 16GB version of the Prime for either $300 or $400, price hasn't come out yet, but it goes on sale April 22.

Should be interesting to see what kind of supply they have at launch.

The Prime is still not readily available on Amazon, yet they said they sold only 80,000 of them, so I wonder what kind of capacity they are capable of.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

The Transformer Pad 300 (the one coming out on April 22) has very similar specifications to the Prime but is physically different; it's backed in colored plastic (I think) instead of aluminum and is slightly thicker. Also the screen is "IPS" instead of "Super IPS+".

DinosaurHouseParty
Oct 31, 2003

Rastor posted:

The Transformer Pad 300 (the one coming out on April 22) has very similar specifications to the Prime but is physically different; it's backed in colored plastic (I think) instead of aluminum and is slightly thicker. Also the screen is "IPS" instead of "Super IPS+".
Which docks work with it?

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

The dock from the original Transformer is almost certainly ruled out. Whether it's close enough to Prime size that you could use a Prime dock hasn't been said. Even if you could, you would have a pretty severe color clash.

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

ModestMuse posted:

ASUS announced a 16GB version of the Prime for either $300 or $400, price hasn't come out yet, but it goes on sale April 22.



First Samsung and now Asus? Are premium Android tablet makers joining the race to the bottom?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

eric posted:

First Samsung and now Asus? Are premium Android tablet makers joining the race to the bottom?

Truly releasing the 16 gb Prime for the same price as the 16 gb TF101 was available for is a race to the bottom and not just "the same drat price as the last model".

TildeATH
Oct 21, 2010

by Lowtax

eric posted:

First Samsung and now Asus? Are premium Android tablet makers joining the race to the bottom?

If you can produce a product at a cost point that allows you to make a profit, wouldn't it be foolish to do otherwise?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
i wish i could buy all these wonderful android powered tablet computers

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

eric posted:

First Samsung and now Asus? Are premium Android tablet makers joining the race to the bottom?

I think the (short) history of Android tablets has shown that price is the primary motivation of most Android buyers.

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

TildeATH posted:

If you can produce a product at a cost point that allows you to make a profit, wouldn't it be foolish to do otherwise?

They could make a lot more if they sold them for $499.00 like the 16gb version of The New iPad. This is supposed to be a premium tablet like the iPad right?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

eric posted:

They could make a lot more if they sold them for $499.00 like the 16gb version of The New iPad. This is supposed to be a premium tablet like the iPad right?

The 32 gb version is $499, why would they then sell the 16 gb version for $499 as well?

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

Install Gentoo posted:

The 32 gb version is $499, why would they then sell the 16 gb version for $499 as well?

The 32gb version would be $599.00.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

eric posted:

The 32gb version would be $599.00.

Your brilliant business move is to charge $100 more all of a sudden on the 32 gb Transformer Prime of all devices?

DinosaurHouseParty
Oct 31, 2003

Install Gentoo posted:

Your brilliant business move is to charge $100 more all of a sudden on the 32 gb Transformer Prime of all devices?
The more expensive they are the less tech savvy people will buy them which makes for a lot less people to bemoan how unstable and uncompatible most of the software turn out to be.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

DinosaurHouseParty posted:

The more expensive they are the less tech savvy people will buy them which makes for a lot less people to bemoan how unstable and uncompatible most of the software turn out to be.

That's a good marketing strategy. Take something that is struggling to establish itself in a competitive market and make it more expensive so it is exclusive and you don't have to read about why people don't like it. :what:

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
All I do is post in this thread about possible new Galaxy Tabs, but apparently a Galaxy Tab Espresso has shown up in some Samsung 'roadmap' slide images and people are now wetting themselves over the fact it could be the HD tablet blah blah blah.

I'm now of the view that if Samsung had one, we'd have seen or heard something about it before the iPad HD came out.

Super Aggro Crag
Apr 23, 2008




And, of course as always, kill Hitler.


The $250 Tab 2 7.0 seems pretty tempting. I just find it weird that the CPU and camera specs are lower than the 7.0 Plus.

DinosaurHouseParty
Oct 31, 2003

Bob A Feet posted:

That's a good marketing strategy. Take something that is struggling to establish itself in a competitive market and make it more expensive so it is exclusive and you don't have to read about why people don't like it. :what:
I meant less less tech savvy will buy them. Get them into the general public and watch google flop on something as simple as flash functionality making for a whole forum of mad people not just a thread of mad people isn't my idea of fun.

Super Aggro Crag posted:

The $250 Tab 2 7.0 seems pretty tempting. I just find it weird that the CPU and camera specs are lower than the 7.0 Plus.
They most likely won't go IPS so I'd wait for the Asus's offering in the 7inch market.

Edit: Has Samsung done a ICS roll-out yet even?

DinosaurHouseParty fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Apr 14, 2012

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

DinosaurHouseParty posted:

I meant less less tech savvy will buy them.

Last I checked very few people were buying the Transformer Prime 32 GB.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Super Aggro Crag posted:

The $250 Tab 2 7.0 seems pretty tempting. I just find it weird that the CPU and camera specs are lower than the 7.0 Plus.

Its just what Samsung does - they'll slap together a bunch of different combinations of parts depending on what they can get cheap supplies of.

Have a look at all the various variants of the mid/high end Galaxy phone models - you get Exynos or TI cpus, AMOLED or LCD etc

Pissflops
Jan 18, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

i wish i could buy all these wonderful android powered tablet computers

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

My time to shine...

Super Aggro Crag
Apr 23, 2008




And, of course as always, kill Hitler.


Unless the 7.0 Plus drops in price to $200 for some reason, I think I'll be buying the Tab 2 7.0. If its a POS I'll just buy the Nexus tablet if it ever comes out.

Poopelyse
Jan 22, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Woot has the HP Touchpad 32GB for $250 today but looking at the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 for the same price, I'm not sure which one is a better choice.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Poopelyse posted:

Woot has the HP Touchpad 32GB for $250 today but looking at the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 for the same price, I'm not sure which one is a better choice.

The touchpad at $250 is not that great of a deal, even for the 32.

Red_October_7000
Jun 22, 2009
Recently I bought a Pandigital Planet Android tablet computer. I like it quite a bit but I've got a few questions about it, and Android in general, seeing as my last tablet computer was an IBM 730TE, it's safe to say I'm a bit of newbie when it comes to Android.

Firstly, lots of stuff appears to just not run on it. Among other things, any of the Angry Birds games besides the original will install but not run; they display the loading screen and then crash to the desktop without any ceremony at all. I know I've got a later version of the OS than they demand, but this is the extent of my abilities to diagnose the issue, and general searching hasn't been much help.

Secondly, it came with a bunch of stuff pre-installed, including a facebook program. I don't use facebook at all and would sooner eat a live stoat than sign up, so I've got precisely zero use for it, but the option to un-install it on the Application management menu is ghosted out. How do I get rid of it?

Thirdly I'm looking for some various programs that aren't available through the "GetJar" service that came with the thing:
-A good Chess program with options including the ability to set up the board, select a difficulty level, etc. The one that I have now does none of these things AND is quite shoddily coded; it's easy to end up in a deadlock situation because the computer just keeps moving one piece back and forth, and it also plays a rather brutal game that's above my skill level.
-Some sort of turn-based strategy game in the mould of BattleTech, Panzer General, or the old Avalon Hill games. I prefer modern/futuristic themes but I'll take historical/fantasy if the game is otherwise enjoyable.
-Strip Blackjack. Um, yeah. I like blackjack, I like naked ladies. I know some come up on a Google search but I think my reasoning for not downloading the first such game of this nature I come up with is understandable.
-An ad-blocker or whatever the Android equivalent of a hosts file is. I've become so used to not seeing ads that it's rather jarring, plus given the nature of the touch-screen interface it's possible to accidentally interact with ads you'd rather not.

Fourthly, another general question: I like this thing quite a bit, and I recognize that it's not exactly the top of the range, so to speak, so I might want to get a more powerful tablet down the road. A quick poke through the selection at Best Buy revealed one thing to me -the capacitive touch-screen seems to be the rule, and I basically can't use them. I've had touch-screen devices since the days of the USR Pilot and manipulating them with the corner of my thumbnail or a stylus pen has just become second nature, never mind the inevitable fingerprints that result from a capacitive screen. Are there any other, nicer devices on the market with a resistive touch-screen?

clockworx
Oct 15, 2005
The Internet Whore made me buy this account

Red_October_7000 posted:

Are there any other, nicer devices on the market with a resistive touch-screen?
Not really, because basically no one else really wants them. Some models come with a digitizer but even those are pretty rare. You can also buy a capacative pen if that makes it better for you.

I'd advise you find some way to deal with it though, because I doubt the market will change before you do.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

I think the short answer is that you really should do one of (A) learn to love capacitive screens, (B) admit you are a troll.

Red_October_7000
Jun 22, 2009

Rastor posted:

I think the short answer is that you really should do one of (A) learn to love capacitive screens, (B) admit you are a troll.

I'm not trollin' (I know better than to troll SA); It's just that I've seriously been using resistive touch screens for many, many years, and I'd rather not have to learn a new mode of interaction (basically the same reason everything still has QWERTY keyboards even though the problem of typebars crashing against one-another was solved long before the personal computer was a thing), never mind that I hate fingerprints on my screen. I also prefer the precision afforded by a stylus pen; I've seen the stylus pens for the capacitive screens and they don't have any sort of point to them so there's no way to tell quite what you're hitting.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Red_October_7000 posted:

I'm not trollin' (I know better than to troll SA); It's just that I've seriously been using resistive touch screens for many, many years, and I'd rather not have to learn a new mode of interaction (basically the same reason everything still has QWERTY keyboards even though the problem of typebars crashing against one-another was solved long before the personal computer was a thing), never mind that I hate fingerprints on my screen. I also prefer the precision afforded by a stylus pen; I've seen the stylus pens for the capacitive screens and they don't have any sort of point to them so there's no way to tell quite what you're hitting.

The answer is to deal with capacitive. Everybody else has (rightly) decided that it's a better technology than resistive. You will not get a "good" tablet with a resistive screen.

Also, in reference to your original post you bought a huge, giant, worthless piece of poo poo tablet. Return it if you can because you will never correct all the problems/annoyances you have with it.

Crackbone fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Apr 16, 2012

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Red_October_7000 posted:

I'm not trollin' (I know better than to troll SA); It's just that I've seriously been using resistive touch screens for many, many years, and I'd rather not have to learn a new mode of interaction (basically the same reason everything still has QWERTY keyboards even though the problem of typebars crashing against one-another was solved long before the personal computer was a thing), never mind that I hate fingerprints on my screen. I also prefer the precision afforded by a stylus pen; I've seen the stylus pens for the capacitive screens and they don't have any sort of point to them so there's no way to tell quite what you're hitting.

What is there to learn when moving from a resistive screen to capacitive? The method of use is almost exactly the same; you touch the screen.

In terms of styluses with more precision than the cheap finger analogues, look into the Jot. It may fit your needs.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
If what you actually want is to have precise input, you want a screen with a wacom-like digitizer, which these almost always also do capacitive when you're not using the stylus.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Deuterieux posted:

What is there to learn when moving from a resistive screen to capacitive? The method of use is almost exactly the same; you touch the screen.

But don't try to murder it with your finger.

Vagrancy
Oct 15, 2005
Master of procrastination

Red_October_7000 posted:

Firstly, lots of stuff appears to just not run on it. Among other things, any of the Angry Birds games besides the original will install but not run; they display the loading screen and then crash to the desktop without any ceremony at all. I know I've got a later version of the OS than they demand, but this is the extent of my abilities to diagnose the issue, and general searching hasn't been much help.

Basically whats happened is since the tablet wasn't certified for Google Play, the device wasn't subjected to any of Google's checks to make sure implements the Android APIs/Frameworks necessary for apps to run correctly. Your only recourse aside from taking it back is to hack a custom ROM built by enthusiasts on there. This forum came up in a search: http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/225-pd-planet-fwdevelopment/

If you decide to go that route this also answers your second/third questions, since hacking would allow you to remove apps and add Google play access.

quote:

Fourthly, another general question: I like this thing quite a bit, and I recognize that it's not exactly the top of the range, so to speak, so I might want to get a more powerful tablet down the road. A quick poke through the selection at Best Buy revealed one thing to me -the capacitive touch-screen seems to be the rule, and I basically can't use them. I've had touch-screen devices since the days of the USR Pilot and manipulating them with the corner of my thumbnail or a stylus pen has just become second nature, never mind the inevitable fingerprints that result from a capacitive screen. Are there any other, nicer devices on the market with a resistive touch-screen?

I think what you're looking for is a device dual capacitive/active digitiser, which has a capacitive layer for fingers whilst also having a pressure sensitive layer for pen input. You might like the HTC Flyer since it's also 7', and the Honeycomb update that went out last year apparently gave it the ability to navigate the device with its pen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXamOqfmMk8

Red_October_7000
Jun 22, 2009

Vagrancy posted:

Basically whats happened is since the tablet wasn't certified for Google Play, the device wasn't subjected to any of Google's checks to make sure implements the Android APIs/Frameworks necessary for apps to run correctly. Your only recourse aside from taking it back is to hack a custom ROM built by enthusiasts on there. This forum came up in a search: http://www.slatedroid.com/forum/225-pd-planet-fwdevelopment/

If you decide to go that route this also answers your second/third questions, since hacking would allow you to remove apps and add Google play access.


I think what you're looking for is a device dual capacitive/active digitiser, which has a capacitive layer for fingers whilst also having a pressure sensitive layer for pen input. You might like the HTC Flyer since it's also 7', and the Honeycomb update that went out last year apparently gave it the ability to navigate the device with its pen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXamOqfmMk8

Thank you, Goon Sir, for a very useful and prompt response. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I now know exactly what to look for in the future!

And regards to the quality of the device in general, I wasn't expecting even as much as I got. It does a number of things very satisfactorily; I can use the internet, view Word documents, PDFs, image files, etc.; play games and so on. My job has quite a bit of downtime so it's nice to have a little piece of machinery to keep myself amused with and this fits the bill quite nicely. My main goal in purchasing it was to see if I liked Android well enough to possibly buy a truly nice tablet computer in this model versus the traditionally quite large and quite costly tablet computers that run Windows.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Vagrancy posted:

You might like the HTC Flyer since it's also 7', and the Honeycomb update that went out last year apparently gave it the ability to navigate the device with its pen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXamOqfmMk8

The HTC Flyer was also horribly reviewed by people in this thread - even after a price drop to $200 the consensus was it wasn't worth it.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

Crackbone posted:

The HTC Flyer was also horribly reviewed by people in this thread - even after a price drop to $200 the consensus was it wasn't worth it.

I got one at $200, I think it's worth it at that price point. I do a lot of annoting of PDFs and it works really well.

Super Aggro Crag
Apr 23, 2008




And, of course as always, kill Hitler.


So the Tab 2 7.0 is up for pre-order on the Best Buy website, but only in 8GB. Is that the biggest we are getting? I wouldn't mind shelling out another $50 for a 16GB version. Should I just buy a 32GB card and call it a day?

underage at the vape shop
May 11, 2011

by Cyrano4747
How does the GPS on the TF101 work? Do I need an app/internet access to use it or does it work like a GPS you can buy for a car that plugs into the cigarette lighter thing?

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hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007

GreatKesh posted:

How does the GPS on the TF101 work? Do I need an app/internet access to use it or does it work like a GPS you can buy for a car that plugs into the cigarette lighter thing?
It works like any phone with GPS. You can use Google maps or any GPS compatible app for Android. The beauty is the TF101's GPS actually works unlike the Transformer and its janky GPS attachment.

You will need internet to access data (A-GPS info and any internet based information) but the GPS will function without internet just fine.

It just works ®

hotsauce fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Apr 19, 2012

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