|
Wrist Watch posted:We've already seen that people in dream bubbles can interact with beings that aren't in dream bubbles when Fefiri contacted Jade when she was asleep, and we also saw Fefiri heal WV through a bubble where she hit God Tier. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we have the mass dreambubble breakout everyone used to talk about. Beyond that, I don't see why total bodily destruction implies she's gone for good. I would imagine the whole God Tier resurrection accounts for that. If he had tripped and fallen into a pool of acid in a manner neither just nor heroic, I imagine she'd still come back despite having been fully dissolved by it. How much of an unending agony that would be as she swims back towards the surface, dies, dissolves, and repeats, who knows. Not that I'm overtly rooting for her to stay dead or come back one way or another, mind, I just one of the handful of people who really dig the "Your world is a living video game" stuff and the implications thereof.
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 18:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 23:48 |
|
|
Watuhboy posted:The question to ask yourself is: When was the last time Hussie did something that was hilarious, that DIDN'T end up being important at some point later in the story? Yeah, I didn't mean to say that Tavrisprite wasn't for horror/hilarity's sake, because it was, but I am guessing that it will ALSO end up being an important bit of foreshadowing regarding either a kernelsprite we already know or one we've yet to meet. I was mostly responding to anyone asserting that Hussie did this ONLY to troll readers, which he never does. By which I mean he never SOLELY trolls his readers with events, there's usually something else to them. To wit: Hussie was accused of "just trolling everyone" when Gamzee went on his murderous rampage.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 18:49
|
|
|
Cabbit posted:Beyond that, I don't see why total bodily destruction implies she's gone for good. I would imagine the whole God Tier resurrection accounts for that. If he had tripped and fallen into a pool of acid in a manner neither just nor heroic, I imagine she'd still come back despite having been fully dissolved by it. Dave and Rose were immolated in the heart of a new star and they went God Tier with no problems. Bodily destruction doesn't seem to be much of a barrier.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 18:57
|
|
|
Fortis posted:Yeah, I didn't mean to say that Tavrisprite wasn't for horror/hilarity's sake, because it was, but I am guessing that it will ALSO end up being an important bit of foreshadowing regarding either a kernelsprite we already know or one we've yet to meet. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 18:57
|
|
|
FT posted:Oh no davesprite Dave and the Seppucrow have an understanding, he'll be fine.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:06
|
|
|
Watuhboy posted:The question to ask yourself is: When was the last time Hussie did something that was hilarious, that DIDN'T end up being important at some point later in the story? Almost everything with The Exiles  .
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:11
|
|
|
karmicknight posted:Dave and the Seppucrow have an understanding, he'll be fine. The internal dialogue, Davesprite's prototyping: DAVE: hey im just gonna chill in this sprite thing we cool BIRD: caw DAVE: sounds like a 'hell yes please'
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:14
|
|
|
I'm really hoping Jane immediately messages UU and screams at her for making her play a game where a terrifying nightmare monster like this can exist.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:14
|
|
|
I still can't stop laughing at this: TAVRISPRITE: wHAT, TAVRISPRITE: Thhhhhhhhe, TAVRISPRITE: gently caress!!!!!!!!, That pretty much perfectly sums up the collective reaction to that whole thing. I'm a little disappointed it ended so soon, but poo poo it was funny either way.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:29
|
|
|
ZenMasterBullshit posted:Almost everything with The Exiles The Exiles are directly responsible for the command format for the entire comic, as in they're sitting at the terminals giving commands/suggestions to the characters. I assume we keep using that format after we know that they're no longer at the terminals because it would be pretty boring otherwise to just see "==>" for months straight. PM is also important in that she's helping to slow down Jack and allowing the troll/kid meteor a bit more time to escape, and WV was important because he ate the uranium which Jack needed back in Cascade. How were they not important? E:  what the gently caress is sarcasm
Wrist Watch fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 19, 2012 |
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:37
|
|
|
Waffnuffly posted:I'm a little disappointed it ended so soon, but poo poo it was funny either way. I'm impressed that it lasted just long enough for people to draw the horrifying conclusions of the whole merged-personalities-and-souls thing.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 19:51
|
|
|
Wrist Watch posted:The Exiles are directly responsible for the command format for the entire comic, as in they're sitting at the terminals giving commands/suggestions to the characters. I assume we keep using that format after we know that they're no longer at the terminals because it would be pretty boring otherwise to just see "==>" for months straight. I was joking. Mostly poking fun at the whole WV Rise Up/fever dreams set up that was just a big PSYCHE thanks to/because of Jack's Uranium plundering, but WV will probably (or hopefully) have something to do by the end of the comic.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:00
|
|
|
Just trying to work through the mechanics of dream bubbles and prototyping, knowing that they still probably haven't been completely explained... So far, the only kid that we've seen in a dream bubble is Beta John, right? After Alpha Rose, Dave, and Jade's deaths, we just saw their consciousness snap to their non-dead self, with no implication that another version had just entered a dream bubble. I don't recall Rose and Jade assimilating any wayward selves or dreams when they hit god tier. This was different for Jadesprite, who was traumatized by being yanked from her afterlife. This could be different because she was a made from a dead dream self, but that doesn't completely mesh with Vriska and Tavros' regular selves being used to prototype Jane's kernel. Did Hussie ever explain how not only was Aradia's ghost walking around, but how her dream self didn't die soon after Sollux killed her real self? Also, Nannasprite and Jaspersprite, the two talkative sprites made from corpses, didn't seem to be traumatized.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:06
|
|
|
Dr Christmas posted:So far, the only kid that we've seen in a dream bubble is Beta John, right? We saw a Beta Dave, too. He was hanging out with DeadTavros.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:08
|
|
|
I seem to recall that Jadesprite freaked out because she had been dead for a very, very, very long time. Like, centuries, I think, due to some sort of temporal shenanigans (probably related to how Grampa Harley got back from the Medium to Earth). Jaspers was a cat, meanwhile, so I don't think he's horribly capable of freaking out. Presumably, Nanna wasn't dead for triple digit time and being an very old woman was probably relatively at peace with the concept of her own death anyway.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:23
|
|
|
Nate RFB posted:-Since the bodies have been destroyed, there is effectively no way for Vriska to come back, period. So people hopefully will learn to let it go. The only other avenues would be the bottled blood or Beta Vriska, neither of which strike me as likely options. Actually, this isn't true. In fact, I'd say that of the methods for revival of the various characters, the ones that involve having a corpse sitting around are in the minority. The most obvious method for revival (at least as far as I see it) is actually a Problem Sleuthesque dream bubble breakout. This doesn't mean it will happen, just that destroying the bodies didn't actually close off any potential avenues for revival.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:38
|
|
|
Kind of a random thought but I really miss Hussie's Q&A time  Not sure why he decided to slow down on it.. I guess cause he could be more productive with his empire and business. Sigh. At least there's Gunnerkrigg's formspring that's still active.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 20:41
|
|
|
Cabbit posted:I seem to recall that Jadesprite freaked out because she had been dead for a very, very, very long time. Like, centuries, I think, due to some sort of temporal shenanigans (probably related to how Grampa Harley got back from the Medium to Earth). Nanna died the day John landed - so she'd been dead for 13 years at least externally. However, it's not clear whether anyone other than active players actually gets a conscious afterlife. We certainly haven't definitely seen anyone else in the bubbles. Jadesprite didn't specify how long she "felt" she'd been dead; but if that sort of thing relates to the time the corpse spent corpsing along its own subjective timeline, it would also have been 13 years or so, assuming that Grandpa came back to Earth shortly before Jade's meteor smashed the Crocker factory. For someone as distraught as she was, that could conceivably be long enough to push it all aside, but short enough for everything to come flooding back at the slightest reminder. (Also, Jade said she spent her dead time between getting blown up and attaining dog tier talking to people in bubble land. We didn't actually get to see that, though.)
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 21:04
|
|
|
I think Tavrissa won't be coming back any time soon. Something *that* ridiculous is only really good for a one-time gag. It's just too silly, except for the self-exploding suicide part.
MODS CURE JOKES fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Apr 19, 2012 |
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 21:43
|
|
|
Watuhboy posted:The question to ask yourself is: When was the last time Hussie did something that was hilarious, that DIDN'T end up being important at some point later in the story? FedoraFreak.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 21:56
|
|
|
Mystic Mongol posted:FedoraFreak. Whoa whoa whoa, I'm still confident FedoraFreak will have his day We just haven't found any of his dreambubbles yet, that's all.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 22:03
|
|
|
Mystic Mongol posted:FedoraFreak. Don't count the Gent of Piss out just yet.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 22:16
|
|
|
We're more likely to get more Tavrissprite than the Gent of Piss.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 22:50
|
|
|
Mystic Mongol posted:We're more likely to get more Tavrissprite than the Gent of Piss. You're absolutely right, he's god tier, how could I forget? We'll see the HERO of Piss.
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 23:15
|
|
|
Nate RFB posted:I think Hussie did this for a few reasons: 1> as someone else mentioned, it's likely all the B2 kids' kernelsprites will be destroyed shortly after entry (maybe one even before entry!) 2> the fate of the prototyped after the kernelsprite's destruction. We got our chuckles out of that abomin8ion of Fudge and Blueberry Bubblegum, but maybe this means Pounce is chilling with Nepeta in the afterlife. Maybe somewhere, long after all these crazy adventures, there will be something for Nanasprite. edit: Bongo Bill posted:I was under the impression that Jadesprite freaked out because of being bonded with a First Guardian, who speaks like this: quote:JADESPRITE: you shouldnt have, this is overwhelming and awful Bell_ fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Apr 20, 2012 |
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 23:35
|
|
|
Cabbit posted:I seem to recall that Jadesprite freaked out because she had been dead for a very, very, very long time. Like, centuries, I think, due to some sort of temporal shenanigans (probably related to how Grampa Harley got back from the Medium to Earth). I was under the impression that Jadesprite freaked out because of being bonded with a First Guardian, who speaks like this: 
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 23:36
|
|
|
I wonder if prototyping two self-aware beings will ALWAYS end up like this? If you prototyped John and Dave, would it end up like this even though they're best bros, or would they Jovesprite be able to work something out and exist? Is John so dumb that it'd basically be Dave making occasional "bluhs" at worst?
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 23:51
|
|
|
So who else hopes Jane will go on an alchemy binge sometime during this act? I've really missed those. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 19, 2012 23:53
|
|
|
We already missed Gristmas
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 00:04
|
|
|
Gristmas in July?
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 00:23
|
|
|
Prototype Lord English and his diametric opposite.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 00:44
|
|
|
Kit Walker posted:Prototype Lord English and his diametric opposite. Squiddle + 8 Ball?
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 00:47
|
|
|
Dr Christmas posted:Did Hussie ever explain how not only was Aradia's ghost walking around, but how her dream self didn't die soon after Sollux killed her real self?
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 01:06
|
|
|
Nate RFB posted:-Since the bodies have been destroyed, there is effectively no way for Vriska to come back, period. So people hopefully will learn to let it go. The only other avenues would be the bottled blood or Beta Vriska, neither of which strike me as likely options. As I specifically pointed out once before, Nanna was brought back from mere thirteen year old ashes, and there's plenty of Vriska and Tavros' blood left to go around. So if any of this was a "No, they aren't coming back" gesture, then it was an extremely ineffective one. Fortis posted:I'm not particularly worried that Nannasprite, Jaspersprite, or uh... Jade are going to go kamikaze any time soon, but it's probably worth keeping in mind that the remaining sprite is doomed... We don't know for a fact that sprites are doomed, merely that they're attracted to the dead or doomed for use in prototyping. (We still don't actually know what killed the Troll's sprites, and the beta kid's sprites seem to have survived the end of their game well enough.) Dr Christmas posted:Did Hussie ever explain how not only was Aradia's ghost walking around, but how her dream self didn't die soon after Sollux killed her real self? Aradia's dreamsprite hadn't been "Activated" yet. Perhaps as a ghost, living Aradia may not have even fully counted as "Dead" yet, since she didn't go to the dream bubbles, but instead was spiritually lingering around the world still.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 01:28
|
|
|
Midnight Raider posted:We don't know for a fact that sprites are doomed, merely that they're attracted to the dead or doomed for use in prototyping. (We still don't actually know what killed the Troll's sprites, and the beta kid's sprites seem to have survived the end of their game well enough.) I think he meant Davesprite in particular, who is unfortunately doomed due to coming from a beta timeline. He has hung around longer than all the other doomed Daves (quite a bit longer if he ends up making it to the new universe), but it's just a matter of time.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 01:34
|
|
|
Kit Walker posted:Prototype Lord English and his diametric opposite. Prototyping Lord English would have terrifying implications for the local imp population.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 01:55
|
|
|
QuoProQuid posted:Prototyping Lord English would have terrifying implications for the local imp population. We already know that all prototypings will take place post-entry and therefore not affect the underlings at all.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 02:09
|
|
|
Looper posted:I think he meant Davesprite in particular, who is unfortunately doomed due to coming from a beta timeline. He has hung around longer than all the other doomed Daves (quite a bit longer if he ends up making it to the new universe), but it's just a matter of time. I don't know about that. Kernelsprites are attracted to dead/doomed things. Beta Dave was not dead, but he might as well have been, so entering the Kernelsprite was essentially as much of a revival as it was to Nanna and Jaspers, and I believe Hussie said something to the effect of this long ago on his Formspring. That doesn't mean Davesprite CAN'T die, but he isn't "destined" to like anyone else who comes from a beta timeline, and I think his survival is enough proof, as it stands out compared to the swift deaths of everyone else who came from a beta timeline. Think of it this way, if Beta Dave had simply stopped John from rocketing off to face his denizen and then promptly died, if Dave tossed his corpse into the Kernelsprite then, would he still be doomed? Probably not. So I don't think the Kernelsprite cares either way. nerdbot fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 20, 2012 |
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 02:10
|
|
|
QuoProQuid posted:Prototyping Lord English would have terrifying implications for the local imp population. For the billionth time, this is post entry, only pre entry ones affect the medium in any way aaaaaaggghhhhhh Unless you mean in general, in which case well poo poo yeah. I think that goes from "unwinnable" to "Sburb has performed an illegal operation and needs to close".
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 02:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 23:48 |
|
|
Looper posted:I think he meant Davesprite in particular, who is unfortunately doomed due to coming from a beta timeline. He has hung around longer than all the other doomed Daves (quite a bit longer if he ends up making it to the new universe), but it's just a matter of time. Arguably, he died in the process of creating Davesprite - or rather, his agency as a participant rather than a piece of the game was terminated. (And then the game ended and he survived.) I really doubt Davesprite is doomed, and would argue that, should he die in the course of the story (a distinct possibility, as it would likely be in a way that mirrors Dave's growth into the role of "hero"), it wasn't due to being doomed - it will be of his own volition. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Davesprite excised his "doom" by becoming Davesprite. From there he wasn't slated to die because he was a part of the game, and since he survived the game he's now as viable as anyone else. EDIT: beaten like a butlerbot.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2012 02:13
|
|
