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Hey, I need to buy a time-logging software. Which one should I buy?
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Apr 20, 2012 17:49
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entris posted:Cwapface I think you need more information about two things: 3. Employment prospects with a law degree and a philosophy Ph.D. This may be your genuinely best option, as the joint Ph.D. seems to be an increasingly desirable (and in some cases nearly required) credential for American law professors - I don't know if the same trend exists in Australia, it'd be something you'd need to check into.
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Apr 20, 2012 18:10
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CaptainScraps posted:Hey, I need to buy a time-logging software. Which one should I buy?  +  + 
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Apr 20, 2012 18:16
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Prefer the Uniball Jetstreams to the Pilot G-2. Sorry I can't agree with your timekeeping recommendation Tau.
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Apr 20, 2012 18:25
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Uniball Signo is the best every day pen.
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Apr 20, 2012 18:36
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I really liked Chrometa when I was using it, for capturing computer time.
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Apr 20, 2012 18:42
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CaptainScraps posted:Hey, I need to buy a time-logging software. Which one should I buy? Just guess "Thought about client while masturbating. That's probably .5, right?"
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Apr 20, 2012 20:02
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Soothing Vapors posted:Just guess I've only had one client where I would even consider doing this, but it was a pro bono* matter anyway. *More like pro boner
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Apr 20, 2012 20:09
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HiddenReplaced posted:I've only had one client where I would even consider doing this, but it was a pro bono* matter anyway. 
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Apr 20, 2012 20:11
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Worrying about billables. Chumps
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Apr 20, 2012 20:17
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Now that school's over, wasting time on the Internet just doesn't have the same feel anymore. Good luck to the rest of you 3Ls out there!
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Apr 20, 2012 20:18
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Penguins Like Pies posted:Now that school's over, wasting time on the Internet just doesn't have the same feel anymore. From the library's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last post at thee...
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Apr 20, 2012 20:36
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HolySwissCheese posted:Prefer the Uniball Jetstreams to the Pilot G-2. Sorry I can't agree with your timekeeping recommendation Tau. Uni-ball Signo Micro 207 or death!
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Apr 20, 2012 21:05
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diospadre posted:Uniball Signo is the best every day pen. It is nice having clients compliment your pen when they're signing plea agreements.
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Apr 20, 2012 21:14
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Soothing Vapors posted:Just guess Talk about a raw deal lol
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Apr 20, 2012 21:16
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Roger_Mudd posted:Uni-ball Signo Micro 207 or death! I actually mostly use Fisher Space Pen refills in a custom-carved pen shell that I got as a gift. I also have a few vintage Parker fountain pens that are kind of fun (like $15-30ish each on eBay). But if I went into a Staples tomorrow and had to buy a pen, it would be a Jetstream so deal w/ it
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Apr 20, 2012 21:31
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Private video conferencing with inmates at a jail 40 mi away. Truly we have entered the 21st century.
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Apr 20, 2012 21:35
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nm posted:Private video conferencing with inmates at a jail 40 mi away. Truly we have entered the 21st century. Can you look deep into their souls and decide if they really done it over Skype? Or is image fidelity too poor to carry guilt/innocence?
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Apr 20, 2012 22:02
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Reasons why I am the greatest patent examiner ever to walk the earth: I spent two hours on the phone with an attorney today trying to finesse allowable subject matter in a machine-translated Japanese national stage into claims in English as opposed to telling him "hmm that is interesting file a response and I'll take a look at it in four months."
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Apr 20, 2012 22:06
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Reasons why I am the greatest patent examiner ever to walk the earth: Should've asked him for a job first before being so helpful.
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Apr 20, 2012 22:12
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HolySwissCheese posted:Can you look deep into their souls and decide if they really done it over Skype? Or is image fidelity too poor to carry guilt/innocence?
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Apr 20, 2012 22:37
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entris posted:I mean, let's be clear here: if an Australian with a philosophy grad degree (Masters or Ph.D) plus a law degree comes to the U.S., he will get laaaaaaidd by all the hippie philosophy undergrad ladies and by all the pre-law undergrad ladies. Australian accent + philosophy degree (ie, ability to say things that sound really intellectual and interesting) + law degree (ie, "I'm a baller, baby") = constant sex, forever.
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Apr 20, 2012 22:45
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gret posted:Should've asked him for a job first before being so helpful. I did manage to mention obliquely that I am looking for employment at a law firm.
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Apr 20, 2012 22:49
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I did manage to mention obliquely that I am looking for employment at a law firm. Did you get an interview? 
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Apr 20, 2012 22:52
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nm posted:All my clients are not guilty / 
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Apr 20, 2012 22:57
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:I did manage to mention obliquely that I am looking for employment at a law firm. 
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Apr 20, 2012 23:04
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Cwapface posted:Wait, wait. Americans find Australian accents sexy? What. Cwapface posted:Ha, I meant I thought about being a barrister when I was 14 in a "what do you want to be when you grow up, little boy?" sense. Probably because I liked Rumpole. I don't know. The get the whole "gee you'd make a great barrister, you're so good at arguing" thing a lot, but I know that's not what lawyering is. I could see myself potentially doing a variety of different things, but I don't have a clear picture because I don't have a clear picture of the profession, because, well, I haven't even been to law school yet.
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Apr 20, 2012 23:10
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Copernic posted: This is me literally irl in every court proceeding
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Apr 20, 2012 23:16
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Cwapface posted:Wait, wait. Americans find Australian accents sexy? What. If I were australian, I'd start every knife case with "thats not a knife."
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Apr 20, 2012 23:19
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Cwapface posted:Googling "TTT law school" tells me that means "Third Tier Toilet." Nobody here talks about tiers of law schools like in the OP, but UQ is not a second-rate university by Australian standards. On various rankings of Australian universities it's usually placed anywhere from third to seventh overall. It also depends what you want to do. For instance, UQ is home to the Queensland Brain Institute, which is pretty much the place for neuroscience in the Southern Hemisphere (unless you're into epilepsy, in which case you go to Melbourne). True, Australia has about 8% the population of the USA and probably a lot less than 8% of the law schools, but UQ's still very well thought of. It's as good as I could do without moving to Sydney or further South still. I didn't mean to give the impression that it wasn't a good school for law. A TTT would be something like Edith Cowan University or the University of Wollongong. No university in Australia carries the equivalent national prestige of a top American university, but it's one of the most attractive places to have done law from an employer's perspective, especially in Brisbane. quote:m what? M WHAT drat YOU!?!? If you were in the US, and in the same position, I'd probably tell you not to do it and stick with your PhD. You're in the enviable position of having found something that you like doing and that you're good at; meanwhile, lawyers, in addition to being chronically underemployed, are generally miserable depressed alcoholics. Unless you have some burning passion for the law (which wanting to be a barrister when you were a kid, or liking to argue, isn't), I don't think it makes any sense to take the LLB. Ani fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Apr 21, 2012 |
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Apr 20, 2012 23:48
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Ersatz posted:I'm surprised by your surprise. quote:I think it's good that you're clear about not being clear. That said, the most important thing for you to think about right now is whether, based on what you do know about the profession, you believe you would actually enjoy practicing law. If you're not really sure about that, but you do enjoy what you're doing now, and if it's reasonable to expect employment as a professor once you've finished the Ph.D, I'd recommend against law school. I don't really know if I'd enjoy practicing law, because like I said I don't know enough about the profession and what practicing law entails on a daily basis. I know studying it won't be a problem for me. I may well find I absolutely love some aspect of it, or I may not. I don't know how I can know if I'll enjoy practicing law if I haven't even studied it. If I end up hating the law I'll be pretty surprised, but I don't know if I'd love practicing it either. I *think* I could be very good at it, but I'm not burning with desire to speak in court or anything. But nor am I burning with desire to earn gently caress all as a research fellow in some lovely institute for research in applied ethics for the next ten years either. Practicing law sounds appealing as something to try, put it that way. And it is definitely not reasonable to expect professorship in philosophy. There are a dozen faculty members in my university's philosophy department, all PhDs over 40, all coordinating their own courses, not a single professor or associate professor. This is literally because there is no money to pay these academics who by all rights should have been given tenure a decade ago. There's a professor emeritus still kicking around the place, but he doesn't lecture anymore. There's a faculty member leaving at the end of the year and they'll interview for a chair then. This isn't a crappy department either. One faculty member is one of the world's foremost experts on Descartes, another is a weighty name in the world of paradoxes and non-classical logic, and my supervisor spends half his time consulting on public sector and professional ethics. They're busy and well respected people and they do well, but their salaries aren't what they should be. There is just no money in philosophy, period. In contrast, the law school has dozens of professors and associate professors. But I doubt it's reasonable to expect professorship as a legal academic if I did a PhD in law or something cross-discipline either. It's probably just less wildly unlikely. I'm not totally hung up on being an academic, though. I'm in love with my work, not the idea of lecturing, supervising, and constantly publishing. There's a lot of petty bullshit and politics in academia. It could be a good career, but it's not as if I have my heart set on it or anything. Ani posted:I didn't even catch where you went to school in your initial post, and it wouldn't have meant anything to me anyway. Apologies for suggesting that you went to a crappy school, and I realize that Australia doesn't really have tiers anyway - I was just using TTT as shorthand for "crappy law school" since most of the thread is American. I don't know where the guy I talked to went to law school (I can still barely understand Australian accents), but he said it was lovely. quote:I think this was supposed to me some thoughts on the Australian legal market, which I will share now: Like the legal market in the US, I think the Australian market is becoming increasingly lovely if you aren't at the top end of the profession. Therefore, I think it makes sense to evaluate the job prospects of an LLB from UQ pretty carefully before pulling the trigger on this. PhDs in philosophy aren't generally known for their great job prospects, but if you're going to be managing a Starbucks either way, you might as well have spent your school years studying something you like instead of the law. I don't want to sound like I'm ignoring warnings and talking myself into something I shouldn't be doing. I think you're right in that I should have a clearer picture than I currently have of what I want out of a law degree before I commit to one, but I'm not seeing the bleak picture you seem to be painting here. As far as job prospects go, UQ's graduate employment rate is about as good as it gets. Slightly fewer in Big Six firms than the Universities of Sydney and Melbourne but still way ahead of most everywhere else. Slightly more in public service, but behind ANU in that regard. Overall employment rates are the same as any of those three, though. Unlike in America, an LLB is a basic undergraduate degree in Australia, and a large proportion of legal graduates have one and nothing else. It's a lot less common to do law as a graduate than as an undergraduate, and it's considered to be quite a general qualification. Many never actually practice law and just go straight into middle-management, maybe coming back to uni to do an MBA in their late 20s or 30s.
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Apr 21, 2012 01:18
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Cwapface posted:You're kind of assuming I won't like the law, aren't you? quote:And since I have no student debt as it is and won't incur any from doing law, all that's going to be wasted if I do end up hating it or can't get a job is time. I can always do a PhD afterwards if I want. I'll be in essentially the same position I am now, which is a pretty loving privileged one where I get paid to think and write about fiscally worthless moral philosophy, just with a law degree. edit: I'm pushing this more because everyone else is telling you it's a good idea; you seem like you're in a pretty enviable position and I'm sure that regardless of what decision you make you'll end up in a pretty good position.
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Apr 21, 2012 01:33
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Let me tell you the story of my friend Nathan. Nathan was in undergrad when I was in law school. We were both at UT. He used to laugh and tell me I was stupid when I moaned and griped about how awful con law was. Nathan wanted to study con law. He took every constitutional and criminal law class UT had to offer, including some taught by law professors. He also wanted to go to law school, despite my best warnings. Now Nathan's at law school. Guess what message I got two weeks into his first semester? "Con law is so loving boring I want to gouge out both of my eyes."
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Apr 21, 2012 02:17
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Con law is kind of interesting but the first half of 1L con law is so loving boring, holy poo poo I want the entire week we spent on Marbury back
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Apr 21, 2012 02:20
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HolySwissCheese posted:Con law is kind of interesting but the first half of 1L con law is so loving boring, holy poo poo I want the entire week we spent on Marbury back Con law is always the worst 1L fall class because it inevitably becomes a policy debate class where the Constitution just happens to mandate people's policy preferences and proscribe what they don't like.
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Apr 21, 2012 02:29
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The Warszawa posted:Con law is always the worst 1L fall class because it inevitably becomes a policy debate class where the Constitution just happens to mandate people's policy preferences and proscribe what they don't like. My con law class was indistinguishable from a critical race studies class. It did make it easier in that i didnt have to learn anything about the constitution at any point. Our teacher even told the one conservative in the class who cared enough to talk to stop raising his hand.
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Apr 21, 2012 03:14
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Nero posted:My con law class was indistinguishable from a critical race studies class. It did make it easier in that i didnt have to learn anything about the constitution at any point. See that just sounds awesome. Con law really should be broken up into a bunch of more focused classes though.
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Apr 21, 2012 03:24
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I love Con Law. It's fascinating. Sounds like some people have had really bad Con Law professors. Condolences. Were your Con Law classes only about the 14th Amendment or something? I find it hard to believe that a 1L has a strong policy commitment to the Dormant Commerce Clause, or the Tax and Spending Clause, or something similar. Administrative Law has been my favorite class this semester. Due Process is chill. Criminal Procedure was my favorite class last semester. 4th & 5th Amendments are awesome. I'm looking forward to Fed Courts next Spring. I've heard it's like Con Law + Civ Pro, which sounds baller. I haven't taken a First Amendment class, but that's because it's one of the least exciting parts of the Constitution.  Also, don't poo poo on Marbury. Whenever some academic is like "hurf durf I don't need to cite this statement" I can generally find something from the Marbury era and stick in as an addcite. Did it twice re: Marbury in particular my last citecheck. loving governments, how do they work? 
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Stop posted:I wish I went to UCLA Last I heard the teacher went to Stanford or Boalt. Highlight of the class was super sheltered A+ overachiever girl not understanding what "fisting" or something was during discussion re gay sex and googling it from front row of class. Guess somebody didnt keep safe search on. Nero fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Apr 21, 2012 |
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