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Fo3 posted:New Aussie falcon 4cyl ecoboost in on sale as of today For lazy Americans, the new engine's specs are 243 hp, 260 ft-lbs, and 29 MPG and the old engine's specs are 265 hp, 288 ft-lbs, and 23.5 MPG.
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Is convertible SUVs really going to be a thing now? Ranger rover just came out with a Evoque convertible concept. Admittedly it looks better than the Murano, but still, why?
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Apr 23, 2012 21:33
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Because "turning SUVs into convertibles" is going to be the next 4 years' "let's make sure we have a big bulky SUV in our staple (see: Hummer)"
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Apr 23, 2012 21:37
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Thwomp posted:Because "turning SUVs into convertibles" is going to be the next 4 years' "let's make sure we have a big bulky SUV in our staple (see: Hummer)" I don't think convertible SUVs are really a new thing.    
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Apr 23, 2012 22:07
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♪ One of these things is not like the others ♫ ♫ One of them just doesn't belong ♪ anonumos fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Apr 23, 2012 |
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Apr 23, 2012 22:13
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Lazor posted:I don't think convertible SUVs are really a new thing. It's all weird now, those were all convertibles because it's a cheap BOF and losing the top doesn't kill the structural integrity, save for rollovers. They're all eminently useful as well. The new crop of CUVs are all boulevard cruisers that cost an arm and a leg while serving no purpose other than to make the driver look like an idiot with too much money.
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Apr 23, 2012 22:16
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DeusVult posted:Is convertible SUVs really going to be a thing now? Ranger rover just came out with a Evoque convertible concept. Admittedly it looks better than the Murano, but still, why? I would drive that.
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Apr 23, 2012 22:21
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law abiding rapist posted:to make the driver look like an idiot with too much money. You've found the American Dream. Quick, take a picture before the illusion fades...
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Apr 23, 2012 22:33
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law abiding rapist posted:boulevard cruisers that cost an arm and a leg while serving no purpose other than to make the driver look like an idiot with too much money. How is this different from a normal convertible car?
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Apr 23, 2012 23:20
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Faerunner posted:I would drive that. With my full face tinted helmet.
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Apr 23, 2012 23:46
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Cream_Filling posted:How is this different from a normal convertible car? They're much larger and therefore friendlier to olds with bad hips and people who got used to looking over normal cars instead of at them. (I think you should have to get a special $1000 license to drive anything bigger or more powerful than a miata or fortwo.)
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Apr 23, 2012 23:53
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Faerunner posted:I would drive that. What're the opportunity costs like? I'd rather take a Z4, Corvette, Boxster/Cayman, or like 2 Miatas.
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Apr 23, 2012 23:55
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BonzoESC posted:They're much larger and therefore friendlier to olds with bad hips and people who got used to looking over normal cars instead of at them. I meant in the context of that description.
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Apr 23, 2012 23:55
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Cream_Filling posted:How is this different from a normal convertible car? Most convertibles look good, not like bathtubs with wheels. Miata.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:00
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law abiding rapist posted:Most convertibles look good, not like bathtubs with wheels. A Miata basically looks like a bar of soap with wheels.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:03
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Cream_Filling posted:A Miata basically looks like a bar of soap with wheels. Maybe the old ones, but any Miata can be used for more than cruising down the street looking like a tool. A convertible basically has to do one or both: A) Look good B) Be fun to drive That thing does neither.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:13
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law abiding rapist posted:Maybe the old ones, but any Miata can be used for more than cruising down the street looking like a tool. A convertible basically has to do one or both: Yeah but it's really good at making you look like a tool. Some people will go for that. It also looks better than the Murano, if it's any consolation. Although we haven't seen it with its top up yet. Lamborghini debuted their new SUV, too. Maybe we'll start seeing some real competition in the growing giant convertible SUV demographic.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:16
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law abiding rapist posted:Maybe the old ones, but any Miata can be used for more than cruising down the street looking like a tool. A convertible basically has to do one or both: Please detail to us your test drive of the Evoque Convertible Concept.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:18
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Cream_Filling posted:Yeah but it's really good at making you look like a tool. Some people will go for that. It also looks better than the Murano, if it's any consolation. Although we haven't seen it with its top up yet. On the plus side none of us will ever see any of the above more than an Aztek.
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Apr 24, 2012 00:21
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Faerunner posted:I would drive that. That is probably the cars most flattering angle, these not as much. Things got quite an rear end.  
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Apr 24, 2012 01:34
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It's ugly but they'll probably sell a shitload of them.
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Apr 24, 2012 01:36
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Ha ha what the gently caress Toyota: http://wardsauto.com/management-amp-strategy/scion-killing-xb-xd-favor-all-new-models quote:LAS VEGAS – Toyota's Scion brand will jettison its xB boxy compact and xD subcompact hatchback in favor of all-new models, WardsAuto learns.
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Apr 24, 2012 01:53
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I love the regular Evoque, but the convertible is just  . I'm not exactly sure what it is that I don't like, but I feel the same way about the Mini Cooper 'vert too. It looks like somebody tried to butch-up a VW Cabriolet.Cream_Filling posted:Ha ha what the gently caress Toyota: So, they gently caress up the xB by removing every unique styling element it had and replaced with with a generic CUV that was lackluster in every way. Then they decide to give it the ax because of poor sales instead of returning it to its roots? What the gently caress is right. The solution is pretty simple: stretch a Corolla chassis, then put a box on it. That is it, that is exactly the vehicle a lot of people want. Something that is cheap and utilitarian as gently caress, and looks the part.
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Apr 24, 2012 02:00
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So Scion will have the FR-S, tC and iQ - a real sports car, a fake sports car, and a roller skate. Great lineup.
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Apr 24, 2012 02:05
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DeusVult posted:That is probably the cars most flattering angle, these not as much. Things got quite an rear end. Am I just getting tool old for this poo poo? Because that looks so much worse. It's like someone with a sawzall, 3D printer, and a couple tubes of 3M FasTack was told "just make it work".
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Apr 24, 2012 02:35
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oRenj9 posted:What the gently caress is right. The solution is pretty simple: stretch a Corolla chassis, then put a box on it. That is it, that is exactly the vehicle a lot of people want. Something that is cheap and utilitarian as gently caress, and looks the part. No, that's how they made the new xB (which is also badged as the Corolla Rumion in Japan) and every other small CUV. The original xB had an overall length of 155 inches, which is close to two feet shorter than the current Corolla. See, some dingus in Toyota NA complained that the xB was "too Japanese" and too small. So they added one foot in length, 700 lbs in curb weight, and $3000 to the MSRP to "fix" it. Then, they sold it in the midst of a massive recession that's resulted in 20+% youth unemployment. But, clearly, the original was just a fad since people stopped buying it even after they "fixed" it. The original was a small, fun little box that only cost $14k, could carry a lot, and got good mileage. It was also unique and nobody sold anything like it. The redesign was fat, cost $17k, and got 24 mpg, making it basically identical to the Honda Element and tons of other CUV'd cute ute SUVs like the RAV4, etc.. It even looked rounded and fat like a RAV4. And then they act shocked when it doesn't do well, even though competitors like the Kia Soul sell pretty decently. It turns out that redesigning your surprise hit product to remove all the things that make it different from other products on the market may in fact lead to reduced sales. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Apr 24, 2012 02:37
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Cream_Filling posted:See, some dingus in Toyota NA complained that the xB was "too Japanese" and too small. So they added one foot in length, 700 lbs in curb weight, and $3000 to the MSRP to "fix" it. Then, they sold it in the midst of a massive recession that's resulted in 20+% youth unemployment or more. But, clearly, the original was just a fad since people stopped buying it even after they "fixed" it. I see stuff like that all the time in my line of work. I can only shake my head and hope people get fired for those decisions. It's pretty simple: CEO looks at sales spreadsheet. Notices the pre-redesign model of a car clearly outsells the poo poo out of the "new and improved" model for the exact reasons it was changed away from the "selling like hotcakes" older model. CEO goes to whoever redesigned the model and literally kicks their rear end out of the company and makes sure they never work in the industry again. But maybe I'm just being cynical.
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Apr 24, 2012 02:45
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BoostCreep posted:I see stuff like that all the time in my line of work. I can only shake my head and hope people get fired for those decisions. It's pretty simple: So, the Fox TV model of managemenet? hahahah I looked up the numbers pre:Year Kia Soul Scion xB Nissan Cube Scion xD 2006 61,306 32,603 2007 45,834 20,495 2008 45,220 27,704 2009 31,620 25,361 21,471 14,502 2010 67,110 20,364 22,968 10,110 2011 102,267 17,017 14,459 9573 The ugly as gently caress Nissan Cube outsold you guys simply by virtue of not being a fat CUV like you turned the xB into. As soon as Kia and Nissan started selling stuff more similar to the old xB than the new xB, your sales loving cratered and never recovered. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Apr 24, 2012 02:52
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I wonder how the new Caddy ATS will be received by folks. I think it's a great idea, I just hope they can execute. I know it's taking on the 3 series and C class, but those are hard cars to unseat without some compelling features or price point.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:07
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Holy mother of gently caress that's a lot of Souls. It makes sense, though - at that price point for a stylish city run-about and stuff hauler it's a no-brainer.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:10
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Cream_Filling posted:No, that's how they made the new xB (which is also badged as the Corolla Rumion in Japan) and every other small CUV. The original xB had an overall length of 155 inches, which is close to two feet shorter than the current Corolla. Goddamn, the Corolla is a much bigger car than I thought. I guess that was part of the magic of the xB, it seemed a lot bigger than that on the inside.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:11
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The thing I find most baffling about those honda element / scion xb type cars is the horrible gas mileage for what you get. I have a coworker who drives a 2008 element and he religiously tracks his mileage. He's averaged about 21mpg over the course of ownership, with 17-19mpg when he does a lot of city driving. From the exact same powertrain that gets 30+ mpg in the accord. I guess making a car as aerodynamic as a rolling barn has its downsides.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:14
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lazer_chicken posted:The thing I find most baffling about those honda element / scion xb type cars is the horrible gas mileage for what you get. I have a coworker who drives a 2008 element and he religiously tracks his mileage. He's averaged about 21mpg over the course of ownership, with 17-19mpg when he does a lot of city driving. From the exact same powertrain that gets 30+ mpg in the accord. I guess making a car as aerodynamic as a rolling barn has its downsides. Yeah, large frontal area + high ride height does that to you. The ones that sell well get decent mileage, though, but also they have much less frontal area and lower ride heights. The 2012 Soul is rated at 29/32/36 and the Cube is 27/28/31. I can't think of any other little box cars off the top of my head, though. The Soul weighs like 2600 lbs and has 1.6 and 2 liter engines, so I'd expect real world mileage to be roughly similar. Hell, the sad part is that the new xB was actually outsold for a while by the Honda Element, a car that hadn't been significantly redesigned since 2002. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Apr 24, 2012 03:21
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Mr.Radar posted:For lazy Americans, the new engine's specs are 243 hp, 260 ft-lbs, and 29 MPG and the old engine's specs are 265 hp, 288 ft-lbs, and 23.5 MPG. Carting just shy of 4000lbs.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:25
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Holy mother of gently caress that's a lot of Souls. It makes sense, though - at that price point for a stylish city run-about and stuff hauler it's a no-brainer. I got driven around in one the other day. The ride was really, really loving harsh. This was in Montreal, mind you, where the roads are more or less in the same condition as the roads on the moon. It was a pretty nice car in all other respects though.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:30
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2ndclasscitizen posted:Carting just shy of 4000lbs. Press release says 1648 kg or about 3600 lbs. Not exactly amazing, but the Toyota Avalon's of similar size and it's in that weight ballpark, while the Dodge Charger's like 4000 lbs. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Apr 24, 2012 03:33
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Cream_Filling posted:Press release says 1648 kg or about 3600 lbs. In terms of size is it pretty comparable to the Fusion? I assume the 2013 will come out around 3400 with the 2.0L turbo, so that doesn't seem too unreasonable for something similar with RWD and maybe some extras to be 200lbs heavier.
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davebo posted:In terms of size is it pretty comparable to the Fusion? I assume the 2013 will come out around 3400 with the 2.0L turbo, so that doesn't seem too unreasonable for something similar with RWD and maybe some extras to be 200lbs heavier. It's about 3 inches longer at 195.1 inches long vs the Fusion's 192" and Camry's 189", though it is an older design (2008 i think). It's never coming here but it sounds like it would be pretty competitive if it did.
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Apr 24, 2012 03:42
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Cream_Filling posted:Press release says 1648 kg or about 3600 lbs. Not exactly amazing, but the Toyota Avalon's of similar size and it's in that weight ballpark, while the Dodge Charger's like 4000 lbs. The dodge charger wishes it was 4000lbs. Motor trend weighed the SRT8 in at 4271 lbs edit: the cadillac xts is listed at 3995lbs in fwd/3.6, it's the same platform the impala will be built on, and the impala is set to be powered by a 2.4l i4 with 184hp and 172ft/lbs of torque. Powershift fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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Powershift posted:The dodge charger wishes it was 4000lbs. Motor trend weighed the SRT8 in at 4271 lbs Yeah that's definitely fat as gently caress, but it does have 6 liter engine and pushrod or not that's gonna be heavy. The new redesigned 2012 Charger is listed at 3961 lbs for the base V6, which isn't that horrible. We're comparing base engines, after all. The new V6 in the Charger puts out a bit less than 300 hp, so not too bad. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 24, 2012 |
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