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BjornOfBorg posted:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mummer And it's septon because sept is french for seven. 
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Cornwind Evil posted:So, halfway through Book 1, my thoughts so far. Yes, and there'll be other repeatedly used phrases, as you'll find soon enough. It gets worse in the last couple of books.
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Apr 20, 2012 14:43
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GRRM must needs a thesaurus.
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Apr 20, 2012 18:42
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Naga Warlord posted:GRRM must needs a thesaurus. I think "must needs" is only syntactically correct with a plural subject. Although GRRM might be large enough to qualify.
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Apr 20, 2012 19:24
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Dietrich posted:I think "must needs" is only syntactically correct with a plural subject. You are not wrong.
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Apr 20, 2012 19:27
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geeves posted:You are not wrong. I don't give a groat what you people say, I have never been bothered by Gurm's repetitions.
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Apr 20, 2012 20:14
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BjornOfBorg posted:I don't give a groat what you people say, I have never been bothered by Gurm's repetitions. I'd hope that was a jape, lest you make a mummer's farce of this discussion.
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Apr 20, 2012 20:16
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Urdnot Fire posted:I'd hope that was a jape, lest you make a mummer's farce of this discussion. These loving derails are more useless than nipples on a breastplate
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Apr 21, 2012 01:23
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Dietrich posted:I think "must needs" is only syntactically correct with a plural subject. Thank you for your leal grammatical service.
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Apr 21, 2012 03:05
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Well, after the bit in the Eyrie, the boiled leather references have stopped. For now. Ironically, I just noticed that Zombie Lincoln, the OP, has a signature line based on a bit from the book that made me go "...yeah, I suspect I'm getting a look at what GRRM feels is important for all the wrong reasons".
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Apr 21, 2012 07:38
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Every book has a word or phrase used over and over. And it lasts for only that book. Its loving weird and I don't get it. But it doesn't bother me as much as some people.
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Apr 22, 2012 01:27
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Well, having finished the first book, I came up with an analogy for one of its core tragedies that a friend of mine thought was really good. Swearing an oath is like building a castle. You likely do your best to build it on firm, hard ground, but if that ground turns to sand through no fault of your own, it's probably best to just 'tear the castle down' and rebuild it elsewhere. If you don't, well...castles rarely collapse on just one head. I have to wonder if this lesson will be taken to heart. Also, it really goes to show how stupid a certain female character is, at the heart of it. "In the game of thrones, you win or you die." She doesn't seem to realize that if you frame the game like that, there are NO winners in the end. I just hope when she loses, she loses goddamn loving HARD. Now I need to find Book 2...which seems to be popular as all my libraries have it out, darn it...
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Apr 23, 2012 00:23
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Naga Warlord posted:Thank you for your leal grammatical service. What does it matter? Words are wind.
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Apr 23, 2012 06:28
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Kung Fu Jesus posted:Every book has a word or phrase used over and over. And it lasts for only that book. Its loving weird and I don't get it. But it doesn't bother me as much as some people. The only bread people eat in this world is either still warm from the ovens, or stale and used as trenchers.
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Apr 24, 2012 04:58
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FateoMcSkippy posted:The only bread people eat in this world is either still warm from the ovens, or stale and used as trenchers. And most people prefer lemoncakes.
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Apr 24, 2012 05:06
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Urdnot Fire posted:And most people prefer lemoncakes. 
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Apr 24, 2012 07:23
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What the gently caress Gurm, where's book six? http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Armageddon-George-R-R-Martin/dp/0575129530/ref=sr_1_34?ie=UTF8&qid=1335273418&sr=8-34 Also if you read the books description it looks like the (really poo poo) cover is miselling it a bit as an ASOIAF-like book, when in fact it's got nothing to do with it.
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Apr 24, 2012 14:20
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The Armageddon Rag: A compilation of all the Cersei and Dany chapters from the hit series A Song of Ice and Fire by George R. R. Martin.
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Apr 24, 2012 23:16
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I'm sure we'll get an Armageddon Rag in one of the sex scenes in TWOW.
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Apr 24, 2012 23:18
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pointsofdata posted:What the gently caress Gurm, where's book six? Yeah, that's exactly what it is. The publishers are trying to make a buck off some 1983 re-issue novel from G.R.R.M. because they know he's not writing anything soon, and might pop his clogs before he writes anything ever again. It's UK-issued, right? He was just there on his European tour so it'll be trying to capitalize on that as well.
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Apr 26, 2012 03:54
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Maybe it's because I've been listening to the audiobooks and not actually reading them, but I've not once been bothered by repeated terms or words. The only thing I've noticed that's sort of bothered me was that when GRRM describes things he so often does it in a very predictable way. Like, he uses two things that are kind of obvious and than a third that's less obvious and maybe not even physical. It's hard to explain but it's something like (to use a completely made-up sentence): "the toilet smelled of poo poo, and piss, and disappointment" Sometimes it's more than three descriptors but it happens more often than I'd like, but other than that one thing I've been enjoying the hell out of these books. Just finished the third one and it was definitely the best so far.
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Apr 27, 2012 15:20
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The nuncling and other repetitions didn't get bad until the fourth book, actually...
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WHERE DO THE WHORES GO WHERE DO THE WHORES GO, DAD WHERE DO THEY GO WHERE DO THE WHORES GO ~ ADWD
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Apr 27, 2012 17:31
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SpaceMost posted:WHERE DO THE WHORES GO ...he japed to his nuncle.
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Apr 27, 2012 19:15
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Something that grated on me a bit was his use of "raper" instead of "rapist". It just sounded weird to me. Like his use of "coz" instead of "cousin".
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Apr 27, 2012 19:18
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Dietrich posted:I think "must needs" is only syntactically correct with a plural subject. No, the problem is that "must needs" requires a verb. She must needs be silenced. They must needs keep the peace. Grrm must needs write copiously.
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Urdnot Fire posted:Something that grated on me a bit was his use of "raper" instead of "rapist". It just sounded weird to me. Like his use of "coz" instead of "cousin". I thought "raper" was weird too, along with "ser" and "southron", because it seemed totally unnecessary. But eventually I was like "gently caress it", at least those words sound similar to what they're replacing. It seems like every other fantasy author is replacing basic words like nephew with "sa' nevran" or some poo poo. "Coz" never stood out to me because I thought it was real. V  V
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Isn't Jaime the only one who ever says "coz"? I thought it fit his personality 
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Apr 28, 2012 13:46
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I never had a problem with changing words like raper for rapist or maester for master or ser for sir. In fact, I think its pretty brilliant because it looks and sounds familair to the real word yet just different enough that it seem foreign and/or historical. Same goes for his character naming scheme. I love it. And, like FourLeaf said, its 100x better than the standard fantasy poo poo of jumbled nonsense words. The only word that bothers me in nuncle because it does not roll off the tougue very well. The 'nunc' sound is off-putting for some reason. It feels unnatural or something. As for the "where do whores go" line, it was annoying but I think was purposeful in showing that character's mental state and obsession.
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Apr 28, 2012 20:22
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Never had a problem with nuncle, because it's close to dialectal Dutch or Flemish 'nonkel'. So there's even a linguistic equivalent of it in another actual language. Also, how is 'nunc' an unnatural sound when English also has words like 'funk' and 'trunk'?
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Apr 28, 2012 22:43
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peer posted:Isn't Jaime the only one who ever says "coz"? I thought it fit his personality Yeah, I suppose it makes sense for him to be using it. Another weird thing was the use of leal instead of loyal in ADWD (and it was used quite a bit).
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Apr 28, 2012 22:45
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It's used in earlier books already, though.
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Urdnot Fire posted:Something that grated on me a bit was his use of "raper" instead of "rapist". It just sounded weird to me. Like his use of "coz" instead of "cousin". Cross-posting something relevant I cooked up for the other thread:  
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Zephonith posted:The "raper" thing is weird because he forgets about it in one book and uses "rapist". Oh my, the counts for "jape" and "nuncle"
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Apr 29, 2012 03:09
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Urdnot Fire posted:Oh my, the counts for "jape" and "nuncle"  but yeah...
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Just finished the second book and i'm seriously hooked. However that is tempered by the fact that i am so emotionally invested in certain houses and characters (both in praying they live and hoping each chapter involves the death of others) that i'm almost afraid to keep going lest my kindle goes flying at the wall. Also regarding my kindle i kinda wish i had got a proper book as i found myself continually checking my ipad for a map to see where they were. Think i'm going to read them all once on ebook then get a set of matching hardbacks (do these exist yet?) like the folio society edition of LoTR i have.
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Zephonith posted:The "raper" thing is weird because he forgets about it in one book and uses "rapist". You forgot "much and more". 
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Apr 29, 2012 23:29
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pointsofdata posted:What the gently caress Gurm, where's book six? This book came out in the early 80s. Also gives hints as to GRRM's taste in music.
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Apr 30, 2012 05:44
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BjornOfBorg posted:Never had a problem with nuncle, because it's close to dialectal Dutch or Flemish 'nonkel'. So there's even a linguistic equivalent of it in another actual language. Also, how is 'nunc' an unnatural sound when English also has words like 'funk' and 'trunk'? Well, I'm not Dutch. Its just that combo of letters strikes me as wrong for some reason. My mind and tougue want to say either uncle or knuckle, not nuncle.
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Is there any reason why Westeros doesn't have any noble titles other than royalty (King, Queen, Prince, Princess), Lord/Lady and Ser? Other than "it's less confusing for the reader" and "it's easier for GRRM to write".
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