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Coco13
Jun 6, 2004

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
Thanks for all the San Diego beerposts. One of my college buddies is getting married there, so I'm keeping an eye on places to get drunk. (We all went to UW-Madison, so we take it very seriously.)

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FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Congrats PA beer goons - your state is closer to crawling out of the backwater of blue laws that is it so (in)famous for!

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants
What are Goose Island bombers going for in established markets?

Sofie, Matilda, and Pere Jacques are going for $8.69 at Whole Foods in Maine, which seems ridiculous. I seem to remember them being in the $5-6 range when they were relatively new in Colorado. Their six packs are running about $10, too. I hope this price point is not permanent.

wattershed posted:

How's that cayenne treating ya?

The cayenne pepper was really what surprised me about Choco Yeti. I was skeptical, but it really works as a palate lightener and keeps the beer from becoming cloying or too bitter.

CalvinDooglas fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Apr 24, 2012

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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He's the newest member of the Jags O-Line crew!

FreelanceSocialist posted:

The more beers you drink, the better the beers become. If I do tasting notes on a new beer, it's the first beer of the night.

Unless the first is a DIPA

Mr. Glass
May 1, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Congrats PA beer goons - your state is closer to crawling out of the backwater of blue laws that is it so (in)famous for!

wait, what?

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Mr. Glass posted:

wait, what?

HB 212 :smug:

Mr. Glass
May 1, 2009

FreelanceSocialist posted:

HB 212 :smug:

Well that seems marginally better.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I didn't see anything in there about being able to buy beer at normal places like grocery stores, gas stations, etc.

Mr. Glass
May 1, 2009

Mahoning posted:

I didn't see anything in there about being able to buy beer at normal places like grocery stores, gas stations, etc.

Mr. Glass posted:

marginally

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

FreelanceSocialist posted:

HB 212 :smug:

HB 212 is about nursing. HB 242 is old news, it passed last year. The only new thing in that article is a resolution directing "“the legislative budget and finance committee to conduct an economic impact study of the brewery industry."

Whooaaa, doggies, an economic impact study!

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Oops, had two tabs open, meant to link the resolution. Economic impact studies in a time of economic recession leads to relaxing laws in order to create jobs, increase tax revenue, etc. Things will change.

Paul Proteus
Dec 6, 2007

Zombina says "si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes!"

CalvinDooglas posted:

What are Goose Island bombers going for in established markets?

$9 six packs, $8 bombers for everything not in a barrel in Chicago.

http://www.binnys.com/beer/search/?advs=3&astxt=goose%20island

PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair

Vertigo posted:

Headed over to the local bar tonight..

Had an ithaca flower power(always good)

Flower Power is such an amazing beer, I'm really just quoting this so that anyone who has seen this goes and buys some.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

FreelanceSocialist posted:

The more beers you drink, the better the beers become. If I do tasting notes on a new beer, it's the first beer of the night.

Yeah, I actually cracked the Orval open with a bit of apprehension because of that. I was thinking, oh man, I don't want something really intense and difficult. Maybe this is a mistake; really don't want to waste this six dollar bottle of good beer, oh man I... *sip* oh hey, this is just plain ol' nice. Still not a session beer, but not the Chocolate Watchband electric freakout I was expecting.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

We need more beer up here!

Coco13 posted:

(We all went to UW-Madison, so we take it very seriously.)

I'm gonna be in Madison for two weeks starting this Sunday, where should I go?

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

RiggenBlaque posted:

Flower Power is such an amazing beer, I'm really just quoting this so that anyone who has seen this goes and buys some.

Agreeing with this, ever since trying it a couple years ago I still compare pretty much every IPA to it.

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005

Josh Wow posted:

I'm gonna be in Madison for two weeks starting this Sunday, where should I go?

If I could butt in, definitely go to The Old Fashioned -- 52 WI beers on tap, most of which you'll never have heard of, and great food to match it.

Ale Asylum ain't bad to visit either.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
For the Chicagoans in this thread:

FFF is doing a tap takeover at Paddy Long's this Friday. 14 beers on tap:

Dreadnaught
Black Sun Stout
Topless Wytch
Hell's Black Intelligencer
Boo Goop
Stygian Darkness
Cimmerian Sabertooth Bezerker
Tiger Jelly
Alpha King
Ham on Rye
Arctic Panzer Wolf
Powder Burns
Zombie Dust
Cask of Mutiny on the Mollusk

Can't go myself, but goddamn if that isn't tempting.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

mysterious frankie posted:

For the Chicagoans in this thread:

FFF is doing a tap takeover at Paddy Long's this Friday. 14 beers on tap:

Dreadnaught
Black Sun Stout
Topless Wytch
Hell's Black Intelligencer
Boo Goop
Stygian Darkness
Cimmerian Sabertooth Bezerker
Tiger Jelly
Alpha King
Ham on Rye
Arctic Panzer Wolf
Powder Burns
Zombie Dust
Cask of Mutiny on the Mollusk

Can't go myself, but goddamn if that isn't tempting.

FFF has been pushing hard in Chicago lately. There've been at least 5 "takeovers" at some of my regular and pseudo-regular spots in the past month with almost all of these. The only things that look new to me are the Cimmerian and Cask.

I don't know if you guys use it, but beermenus.com usually has a listing for "events" like this.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

danbanana posted:

FFF has been pushing hard in Chicago lately. There've been at least 5 "takeovers" at some of my regular and pseudo-regular spots in the past month with almost all of these. The only things that look new to me are the Cimmerian and Cask.

I don't know if you guys use it, but beermenus.com usually has a listing for "events" like this.

I thiiiink the Mutiny And The Mollusk is a collab between them and Half Acre... yep.

"A rich, mildly briny ale made with the meat & shells of fresh oysters, Mutiny & The Mollusk will fortify the soul against a hard life on the waves."

Oh wow, while reading that description my mouth filled with a rich, mildly briny brown substance. Anyone care to tap?

mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 24, 2012

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.

Phanatic posted:

It's way better than Hoegaarden.

Hoegaarden used to be really good, back when Pierre Celis was making it. Then his brewery caught fire, and he had to sell 55% of the brewery to InBev (then Stella Artois, which merged with Piedboeuf to become Interbrew), which instantly started cutting costs and the beer started falling off. It's not terrible by any means, but it's not exceptional, not anymore. Better than Blue Moon, but not by a whole lot.

Pierre bailed and started making Celis White in Texas, which was awesome, but the investors sold their shares to Miller, which completely hosed up the distribution of Celis White, and eventually sold the brand to Michigan Brewing Company which still makes Celis White, but which is somehow very different than the Celis White produced in Austin. Might be the water, I don't know, but it's also nowhere near as good as it was when Pierre Celis was making it.

About the last thing Pierre Celis ever did was to work for St. Bernardus to develop their whitebeer. It's basically what Hoegaarden used to be before Inbev screwed it up, and basically what Celis White was before Miller screwed it up: Really, really loving good.

Cool history, thanks for taking the time to write it out.

bartolimu posted:

Alpine's about a half hour each way from anything else San Diego-flavored, so it takes up a good portion of the day by the time you try a few beers and have lunch.

Chill_Bebop covered it pretty well with those links, but I'll say my favorite brewery to visit is Lost Abbey. Everyone on staff is really cool, and the head bar guy, Jason, is full of useful trivia and one of the most knowledgeable people about beer (Lost Abbey and otherwise) around. Protip: bring a bottle or two of stuff from wherever you live as a gift, they look kindly on that kind of thing. Lost Abbey is also very close to Stone - their brewery was actually Stone's original one before they expanded to the new location - which is worth a visit to wander around the Beer Nerd Backyard. Stone's taplist isn't great compared to the better bars, and the food's a bit expensive, but there are worse ways to spend an afternoon.

I'd say if your friend likes certain breweries that's where he should go. All tasting rooms are awesome if you're sufficiently into the products. For bars I'd recommend Churchill's in San Marcos from personal experience. Neighborhood in the Gaslamp District sounds nice, but between parking being expensive as gently caress and how crowded it looked I didn't stop to try it.

Bottle shops: Beverages 4 Less in Santee has ludicrous selection but you'll definitely pay for it. Holiday Wine Cellar is close to Lost Abbey and has become my default spot to visit. Other than that, maybe locals can suggest some other places.

Thanks for the great list, as for Alpine being 30 minutes away, that's not really a huge concern in New Jersey you have to drive 30 minutes to get to anywhere exciting as it is. We're used to driving a lot.

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence

Midorka posted:

Cool history, thanks for taking the time to write it out.

Yeah, thanks Phanatic, I enjoyed the history of Hoegaarden as well. It is definitely one of the brews that got me into craft, and I still enjoy it a lot, but I think I might have to justify spending $16.99 for a 4-pack of St. Bernardus Wit just to see what it was and should be today :smith:

internet celebrity
Jun 23, 2006

College Slice

quote:

Beer history

This was all pretty interesting. Are there any documentaries that go more in-depth? Or just any beer documentaries a craft beer lover should watch?

Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?
Beer Wars is pretty interesting, and it's on Netflix Instant. Tried watching the History Channel's How Beer Saved the World the other day, and it was so, so bad. Should have been titled "People Guess About Stuff that Might or Might Not Have Happened that May Have Involved Beer or Not".

PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair
I think that was perhaps your own fault for thinking the History channel would put out anything of quality.

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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I actually watched it last night... it was kind of like if Michael Moore tried to do an informational history show. It was pretty bad.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

Retemnav posted:

Beer Wars is pretty interesting, and it's on Netflix Instant.

You really think so? I thought the few minutes devoted to the 3-tier system and shelf-spacing was informative. The DFH parts were interesting if only for catching them at a point when expansion was becoming a necessity. But as a whole, I thought it was a poorly made, infuriating documentary. From the Netflix summary:

With a background that includes a successful career as a Hollywood producer and a stint as the general manager of Mike's Hard Lemonade Co., Baron is uniquely suited to tackle this subject matter.

Sigh...

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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I had no idea California wasnt a part of the three tier system. I love how you can buy beer and kegs directly at the brewery.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.

RiggenBlaque posted:

I think that was perhaps your own fault for thinking the History channel would put out anything of quality.

Whoa, History puts out many quality shows, then again we're not here to talk about the merit of a television channel.

danbanana posted:

You really think so? I thought the few minutes devoted to the 3-tier system and shelf-spacing was informative. The DFH parts were interesting if only for catching them at a point when expansion was becoming a necessity. But as a whole, I thought it was a poorly made, infuriating documentary. From the Netflix summary:

With a background that includes a successful career as a Hollywood producer and a stint as the general manager of Mike's Hard Lemonade Co., Baron is uniquely suited to tackle this subject matter.

Sigh...

I think it's worth a watch. I didn't learn a whole heck of a lot, but it's interesting at the very least.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

Munkaboo posted:

I had no idea California wasnt a part of the three tier system. I love how you can buy beer and kegs directly at the brewery.

http://www.cbbd.com/threetier_drives.html

My understanding is that the federal government requires 3-tier, but each individual state sets limitations on application. It's why brewpubs exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-tier_(alcohol_distribution)

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

mysterious frankie posted:

I thiiiink the Mutiny And The Mollusk is a collab between them and Half Acre... yep.

"A rich, mildly briny ale made with the meat & shells of fresh oysters, Mutiny & The Mollusk will fortify the soul against a hard life on the waves."

Oh wow, while reading that description my mouth filled with a rich, mildly briny brown substance. Anyone care to tap?

I had a bottle of this. It's pretty good, and I think it could be even better on cask. Not sure it's worth braving a Friday night at Paddy Long's though. Last time I was there for a barrel aged beer night (including variants of Bourbon County), the place was wall to wall packed.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

crazyfish posted:

I had a bottle of this. It's pretty good, and I think it could be even better on cask. Not sure it's worth braving a Friday night at Paddy Long's though. Last time I was there for a barrel aged beer night (including variants of Bourbon County), the place was wall to wall packed.

I think that's just how it is with BCS nowadays. Brixie's in Brookfield held a GI takeover a few months back where they were advertising BCS, BCS coffee, and 2010's vanilla variant (*drool*). At 5:05, 5 minutes after the official tapping, you couldn't park within a half mile of the place. I gave up and went home...

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Beer Wars is infuriating because its subject matter is pretty awesome, and a lot of stuff is explained really well. But the filmmaker is just awful and annoying.

But unfortunately it really is the best documentary that I know of about the beer industry.

Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?

danbanana posted:

You really think so?

Her beer and business plan were pretty funny. It's been a while since I saw it, but I wasn't put off by it as a whole, gave it 3 stars on Netflix apparently.

It's really slim pickings for beer documentaries, suprisingly. I would have thought someone would have at least explored the history of the monastic brewers, or something.

Mikey Purp
Sep 30, 2008

I realized it's gotten out of control. I realize I'm out of control.
Not that it really affects her ability to manage a beer company, but she was also allergic to alcohol.

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
I just bought the Great Divide 18th Anniversary Wood Aged Double IPA.

Anyone had it yet?

Rags to Liches
Mar 11, 2008

future skeleton soldier


Bought a sixer of Sam Adams Alpine Spring. Really, really crisp and hoppy for a lager, but it's not bad at all.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Midorka posted:

Whoa, History puts out many quality shows, then again we're not here to talk about the merit of a television channel.


I think it's worth a watch. I didn't learn a whole heck of a lot, but it's interesting at the very least.

I loved the woman who bailed from an executive position at Sam Adams to start her own company producing really lovely contract brew with caffeine in it. You could not find a better example of trying to make a quick buck in the craft beer market and then failing because your product is awful if you just made up a fake one. The scene where she goes back to Jim Koch begging for investment money and he turns her down is sweet joy.

It's a shame that she eventually shut down because of the moral panic that arose over Four Loko (Mixing caffeine and alcohol is bad and unsafe! Except if it's an Irish Coffee. Or Kahlua. Or an expensive coffee stout. Then it's fine. You know, as long as it's only white people doing it. If it spreads beyond that, Something! Must! Be! Done!), but even if people hadn't lost their poo poo over a bunch of mindless hysteria, that company wasn't going to last much longer anyway.


What about American Beer, anyone seen it?

Munkaboo
Aug 5, 2002

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Phanatic posted:

What about American Beer, anyone seen it?

Much better than Beer Wars.

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Kudosx
Jun 6, 2006

it's raining zerglings!

Munkaboo posted:

I had no idea California wasnt a part of the three tier system. I love how you can buy beer and kegs directly at the brewery.

In OH you can buy beer and kegs directly from breweries, too. I know I have bought beer from just about every brewery in NEOH directly from their brewery, or adjoined brewpub.

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