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So what would you tell someone who was about to graduate from university with a BEd right now, but they just went straight through school to do it (about 6 years of school)? They would have 50-70k in debt, and be looking at a job that pays ~46k - if they're lucky enough to find one in the next 9 months. Would you recommend the French foreign legion to them over teaching? What's different about me other than the military thing and not yet having a BEd? If I was 22 and the past two years had never happened, that is EXACTLY the situation I would be moving towards. If I had graduated university then went straight for education, that's exactly the situation I would be in now. I'm just trying to give myself the best possible chance. My decision is made and can't be unmade, so now that I've decided, what should I do?
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tuyop posted:So what would you tell someone who was about to graduate from university with a BEd right now, but they just went straight through school to do it (about 6 years of school)? They would have 50-70k in debt, and be looking at a job that pays ~46k - if they're lucky enough to find one in the next 9 months. Well, I'd tell them that due to their financial situation and the confounding factor of the current world economy they may not be able to afford to wait until they find a dream job in their chosen field. Far better that they look at what's available and make a decision that's financially expedient so that they can be financially free sooner rather than later, which will help to ensure that there will be a day that they can follow their desired career path rather than having to deal with the spectre of constantly looming debt.
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Apr 25, 2012 01:57
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Is setting up a gay webcam still on the table?
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Apr 25, 2012 02:13
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Oops! I didn't see the post on the last page. ... gently caress. tuyop posted:I had a meeting with my company 2IC today. The CO won't let me have another meeting with the BPSO, my only option is either Ammo Tech or release. I don't want to be an Ammo Tech, so I submitted my release. "I don't wanna" is all very well and good when you've got an alternate plan mapped out, but quite frankly by doing this you didn't just spit the dummy; you've shat your diaper. You've known that this decision was coming up, and while I strongly believe you've made the wrong one, why didn't you start researching what you'd need to know to pursue the release option? You've been wanting to do this for weeks, and you haven't even looked into what your degree qualifies you for? quote:
This is beyond belief. Rather than accepting a paid position you have decided to consider life as a homeless squatter as a preferable option. Furthermore, you're talking about not caring about your health, when it's a health/injury-related issue that has you in this position in the first place. Tuyop, these are not the actions of a rational, mature adult. I'd say that this is basically you acting out in response to losing your preferred career path as an option, and that you're probably suffering from at least a mild form of depression that's affecting the decisions you're making for the worst. At least I hope that's what it is, because the alternative is that you really are that hopelessly self-sabotaging. If there's any way at all for you to stop the release from being finalised, I'd start painting my tongue brown on the CO's rear end right now. Tell him you weren't in the right state of mind. Tell he you'll suck his dick. Whatever it takes. Because you're making decisions that are going to see you trapped with poor options well into your thirties.
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Apr 25, 2012 02:29
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tuyop posted:I'm seriously considering squatting in the forest near the base or living in the back of my car parked in one of the Podunk towns around here. Hahaha what the gently caress is this? Going to take your military training and become a mountain man? Well, do it in summer/fall if you insist in living off the land, and take photos.
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Apr 25, 2012 03:07
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Apr 25, 2012 03:13
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drat son. You just went full retard.
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tuyop posted:So what would you tell someone who was about to graduate from university with a BEd right now, but they just went straight through school to do it (about 6 years of school)? They would have 50-70k in debt, I would tell them "you're a loving moron". Well actually if I was face to face I'd probably be sympathetic while thinking they're a moron, because there'd be little point in rubbing salt in the wound at that point. But I do not believe that $50k in debt is the only possible way to graduate with a BEd. It might be one path - it might even be a common path - but it's not the only one. It is possible to: 1. Go to schools that aren't ridiculously expensive 2. Get scholarships 3. Work while you are in school, even if this means taking longer to finish and of course 4. Save up money first and pay for school out of your savings. Granted a lot of kids are lucky enough to have their parents doing #4 for them in advance, but not all of us had such fortune. But there is no rule that says you must go to college the year you graduate from high school, either. And finally: if I'm totally wrong, and it really is impossible to get a BEd without accumulating debt far in excess of the expected income such a degree draws, then it is very obviously a bad life decision. One cannot and should not (and has no special right to) follow dreams that are economically unfeasible. Just because you really want something doesn't mean it's a good decision, or affordable, or won't be a total loving disaster. I really want a career in Breast Oiling in the pornographic industry, but that's too bad for me, isn't it. Instead I do a job that I merely tolerate but have no enthusiasm for, which makes me a very decent living, and I do things outside of work that bring joy and satisfaction to my life. I wish I had a career where I made good money doing something totally awesome that I loved, but I couldn't come up with one so instead of hurling myself into financial ruin, I made rational decisions and at the age of 37 I'm pretty happy with how things have turned out. Tuyop I can't really begrudge you wanting out of the indentured servitude that is the military, but right now you need to be finding a full-time job that can support you and don't worry about college because you can't loving afford college and your chosen education path, by your own calculations, will financially ruin you.
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Baloogan posted:drat son. Pretty much this. Welcome to the glorious paradise of the working world. Hope you like delivering pizzas because that's a good starter job. Too bad you injured your back, construction is another good gig to get into while you're young and reasonably healthy. On the other hand, mountain men are born survivors so I'm pretty sure that's going to be the best fit for you of all the careers out there instead of some dumb old ammo tech. What is that? You're like super good inspecting bullets or something? Hah, I bet that doesn't have any transferable skills at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST0QfZz0Wy4&t=529s Since you're currently in good shape, go look into jobs as a bike courier. If your city is big enough and laid out well that's a decent job and gets you out into the air.
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Just 'cause zaurg has a cool new thread where he runs his finances into the ground doesn't mean you have to one up him. It's not a contest.
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Apr 25, 2012 06:48
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tuyop posted:So what would you tell someone who was about to graduate from university with a BEd right now, but they just went straight through school to do it (about 6 years of school)? They would have 50-70k in debt, and be looking at a job that pays ~46k - if they're lucky enough to find one in the next 9 months. Would you recommend the French foreign legion to them over teaching? Actually, yes, if someone was in this exact situation you described I would recommend teaching English overseas -> pay down loans on the cheap while learning a useful language -> transition to something else over their education degree paying nothing forever. In fact, I did exactly that like three days ago. Unfortunately, the thing that *is* different about you not having a bachelor's is that the English teaching option requires one of those, which leaves the FFL. Okay, fine, I understand being an ammo tech isn't what you wanted to be when you grew up...but I promise you it beats being a 30-something BEd with 70K in debt. Seriously, right now you're in a situation where joining another country's military for five years simply to clear your debt and get a new identity is quite possibly objectively better than the crazy thing you're about to do. Six months of squatting in a car to save 2,000 bucks is not even the craziest part of that plan, FYI.
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Apr 25, 2012 09:52
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Giant Isopod posted:Just 'cause zaurg has a cool new thread where he runs his finances into the ground doesn't mean you have to one up him. It's not a contest.
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Apr 25, 2012 09:59
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Oh Tuyop, what have you done...  Seriously, your dumbfuck arse didn't think this cunning plan through did it?
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Apr 25, 2012 10:20
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Zeta Taskforce posted:Is setting up a gay webcam still on the table? Well, I've lost 12 pounds in the past 15 days, but no, I'm not quite there yet! And I'll probably have no internet in the tent or car. I'd say that joining the military at all was a horrible mistake. I've never fit in here, my admin has never been correct, and I've been hosed over in minor and huge ways since May 2007. I may have been good at a lot of it, but I'm not playing army anymore, I would literally rather be homeless than be in the military as an ammo tech NCM. The only reason you guys are looking at it as a viable option is because you have no idea what it's like. I asked my friend, who is an NCM awaiting training in the same place I would be going for the next 1-3 years, what it's like. He had the day off work because he cut his hand while removing the metal plate underneath a set of doors so that they could polish it. His unit has a 5% suicide rate. The chain of command believes that the solution to the suicide rate is more discipline. tuyop fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Apr 25, 2012 10:42
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You can go work for SOC-SMG or one of the other tier III security companies doing static security for like $60k overseas. It will suck, but it will get you out of your debt because you have zero expenses while deployed. Sometimes you have to make the hard choice and just stick it out (I would not have gotten out if I were you). When I got out of the military, I had no debt and a steady job lined up. That's what you need to do as well. Alternatively, seriously consider joining the French Foreign Legion. You'll get French citizenship after a couple years, and your debt will be wiped clean. Right now, you basically have no career future because you flushed yours down the toilet, and a ton of debt on top of that. That does not bode well for you. We don't always get to do what we want.
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Apr 25, 2012 13:45
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Our Gay Apparel posted:We don't always get to do what we want. On top of that, you've now burned bridges that could've taken you towards a place you might have wanted to go in the future. I don't want to pile on, but I hope you learn that doing what feels best for the immediate or short-term periods will have effects far beyond them.
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Our Gay Apparel posted:You can go work for SOC-SMG or one of the other tier III security companies doing static security for like $60k overseas. It will suck, but it will get you out of your debt because you have zero expenses while deployed. Sometimes you have to make the hard choice and just stick it out (I would not have gotten out if I were you). When I got out of the military, I had no debt and a steady job lined up. That's what you need to do as well. Alternatively, seriously consider joining the French Foreign Legion. You'll get French citizenship after a couple years, and your debt will be wiped clean. Right now, you basically have no career future because you flushed yours down the toilet, and a ton of debt on top of that. That does not bode well for you. We don't always get to do what we want. Id like to second this. When you bought a flashy car and decided to take on $30,000 in consumer and student loan debt, you lost options. One of those options you no longer have is to get a minimum wage job and live in a tent. The French Foreign Legion idea sounds pretty cool. Do you speak French? Also how do you lose 12 pounds in 15 days? Did you stop eating?
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Apr 25, 2012 15:17
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Zeta Taskforce posted:Also how do you lose 12 pounds in 15 days? Did you stop eating? This. My thought process would be "Oh poo poo I lost 12 pounds in 2 weeks, time to go to a doctor to find out what kind of cancer I have!"
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Apr 25, 2012 15:27
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Honestly, I would propose deployment to any prior military people who are having financial trouble. Luckily, I have not, but I wanted the money to set myself up for a good future. Does working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week suck? Yes. But I make about $200k a year, so it balances out. It is very easy to find these jobs. Look at Fluor, KBR and other similar companies. I'm not saying you'll make $200k, but you should be able to break $100k easily.
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Zeta Taskforce posted:The French Foreign Legion idea sounds pretty cool. Do you speak French? Also how do you lose 12 pounds in 15 days? Did you stop eating? well the minimum wage job is for parttime work while I'm waiting to be released so that I can save money. I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 35k a year job, all my friends from Uni make about that much. I speak a little bit of french but have no desire to go join the FFL. I'm pretty sure the weight is mostly glycogen because I only eat around 30g of sugar a day. Edit: and staying in the military is off the table. It is not an option. My deadline for accepting my offer was 17 April, 24 April at the absolute latest. All the release wheels have been set in motion and will not stop. tuyop fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Apr 25, 2012 |
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Apr 25, 2012 15:54
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What's done is done, and obviously, my FFL advice was rather tongue in cheek (lol @ BFC for picking it up and running with it; give me a break, people.) On the other hand, KBR is a legitimate employer that hires people with your qualifications and ships them over to places only slightly more dangerous to you than tank roads for much larger amounts of money than you'll otherwise see in your life. If that's not for you, I hear Canada's got oil now and lots of inhospitable places to get it from that *also* pay obscene amounts of money for the privilege. If *that's* not for you...well, you're talking about squatting in a car for somewhere around 1-2% of the rest of your life expectancy to save two thousand Canadian dollars, and you don't see anything wrong with that. That's quite the zaurg decision level of penny wise, pound moronic. Look, from the silence from you on the topic I'm gonna make the educated guess that you no longer have a significant other to worry about and not much tying you to the general area you're in. The correct answer here is to forget about any of the really dumb ideas you've come up with so far and go do blue collar work in the areas where people are actually hiring 25 year olds for lots and lots of cash for a year or two (hopefully your back is good enough to handle it) until you've wiped the slate clean, then go back to school and *then* figure out what to do with the rest of your life before you turn 30. Or you can go squat in a car to save $10 a day. Maybe you can collect beer cans after work for another $2. 20% more savings!
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tuyop posted:well the minimum wage job is for parttime work while I'm waiting to be released so that I can save money. I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 35k a year job, all my friends from Uni make about that much. Just because your friends make that much, doesn't mean you will - you're applying at a different time, they may have a stronger major/degree, more internships/experience, stronger networking skills or family connections, they may not have started at that salary and may have had to work up to it, etc. The economy isn't easy right now - it's extremely competitive with a lot of people with degrees and experience competing for jobs that they're overqualified for (I, for example, have friends who have graduated from law school who work at Starbucks or are still doing volunteer work) and if you're starting from scratch and not planning on going into a job you have any relevant experience in, it may take you a long time to land your first job, even if that first job does end up paying $30k.
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Adar posted:only slightly more dangerous to you than tank roads for much larger amounts of money than you'll otherwise see in your life. I would argue that the places they would send you would be less dangerous than a bunch of white guys driving a 2010 Mazda 3 Sport GS with Canadian plates a thousand kilometers through Mexico.
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Adar posted:The correct answer here is to forget about any of the really dumb ideas you've come up with so far and go do blue collar work in the areas where people are actually hiring 25 year olds for lots and lots of cash for a year or two (hopefully your back is good enough to handle it) until you've wiped the slate clean, then go back to school and *then* figure out what to do with the rest of your life before you turn 30. This. But given that it involves rote manual labour and dealing with an autocratic and annoying supervisor, it's almost certainly out. I still can't believe that you walked away from a decent job, Tuyop -- especially when your preferred alternative is apparently being homeless and working minimum wage. You might be in for quite a ride in which you discover that everything can actually get worse...
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Apr 25, 2012 18:22
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It doesn't necessarily mean blue collar work. The KBR and Fluor jobs usually just involve you supervising a crew of third country or local nationals. And then there's intelligence, which is what I do. I sit in an office all day. It's not hard at all (other than the hours).
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Adar posted:Look, from the silence from you on the topic I'm gonna make the educated guess that you no longer have a significant other to worry about and not much tying you to the general area you're in. The correct answer here is to forget about any of the really dumb ideas you've come up with so far and go do blue collar work in the areas where people are actually hiring 25 year olds for lots and lots of cash for a year or two (hopefully your back is good enough to handle it) until you've wiped the slate clean, then go back to school and *then* figure out what to do with the rest of your life before you turn 30. Or you can go squat in a car to save $10 a day. Maybe you can collect beer cans after work for another $2. 20% more savings! Your KBR points are excellent. Over the next 5-8 months I'm going to be looking into things like that and putting applications in. I also don't know how long I have to wait. I've seen people get released in three weeks and we have one guy who's been waiting 14 months. It's a mysterious process. Zeta Taskforce posted:I would argue that the places they would send you would be less dangerous than a bunch of white guys driving a 2010 Mazda 3 Sport GS with Canadian plates a thousand kilometers through Mexico. It was just me and toeshoes (my girlfriend) actually, who is one of the main reasons that I'm quitting. I'm hoping to get posted to be with her while I wait to be released. I've dealt with annoying and autocratic supervisors for 5 years, it's not like I can't operate in that environment. I do very well at my job every day and find reward in it sometimes. I just don't want to be an Ammo Tech or anything related to an Ammo Tech ever in my life, and I especially don't want to be an EME NCM. I'm trying to make it so that I can have six months savings or more on release, so that I can keep from falling farther into debt whether I go back to school or go put pipes together in the tar sands. Whatever I turn up in the next six months will really determine what I do this Winter. And I really wouldn't mind squatting or living in my car. I've spent more than a year of my life, if you stack up all the 3-21 day blocks, living in the woods in more or less horrible conditions on my free time and as a job and I actually really like it.
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Our Gay Apparel posted:Honestly, I would propose deployment to any prior military people who are having financial trouble. Luckily, I have not, but I wanted the money to set myself up for a good future. Does working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week suck? Yes. But I make about $200k a year, so it balances out. It is very easy to find these jobs. Look at Fluor, KBR and other similar companies. I'm not saying you'll make $200k, but you should be able to break $100k easily. This is a good option and will bring in more than teaching in the middle of nowhere. The sooner you put in your application the sooner you get a chance to get involved in the work.
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I'm sure that doing it with no hope of immediate or even medium-term respite is exactly as taxing as doing it on limited-term deployments.  Just make sure you don't park your house on a tank road, dude. I hear that could be trouble.
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I got permission from my chain of command to seek civilian employment. They'll approve leave for interviews and stuff now. I've been working on my resume and once I got my memo back I wrote up some cover letters, proofed them with my mom ( ), and applied for a couple of government jobs in Nunavut. The salaries are both ~110k after northern living allowance and I seem to be qualified, except that I don't speak the language up there - which was listed as an "asset" - and they give preference to natives. But we shall see! Is it appropriate to post my resumé here or anything?
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tuyop posted:Is it appropriate to post my resumé here or anything? Go for it. That should be an amazing opportunity and I've always been fascinated with the far north. But you do realize that if things get really rough, living in your tent isn't going to be an option.
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Wikipedia posted:Nunavut is both the least populous and the largest in area of the provinces and territories of Canada. One of the most remote, sparsely settled regions in the world, it has a population of 31,906, mostly Inuit, spread over an area the size of Western Europe. This sounds awesome to me, personally, but keep in mind what you'd be getting into. That said, a few years with a salary like that and you could be in the black with a nice little nest egg very easily. I'm with Zeta - go for it. Good luck!
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Third Murderer posted:This sounds awesome to me, personally, but keep in mind what you'd be getting into. That said, a few years with a salary like that and you could be in the black with a nice little nest egg very easily. I'm with Zeta - go for it. Good luck! Yeah, you can't drive there. You have to fly up and then all the travel is by snow mobile or atv. I'll post my resume today sometime.
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Alright, here's the resume. https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5By25qGWLAXazlpdWlqT3p1Tk0 And I've applied for these two job descriptions, so the resume is kind of angled toward them. Especially the language legislation analyst. http://www.gov.nu.ca/hr/site/jobs/job%20ads/iqaluit/May%2011%202012/08-500411_JD_Language_Legislation_Analyst_ENG.pdf http://www.gov.nu.ca/hr/site/jobs/job%20ads/baffin/April%2027%202012/14-500320_JD_Community_Training__Development_Officer.pdf And I sent in an application and a resume to Nasittuq.
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I think the beginning of your resume is the weakest. You have all the vague material at the top, like "accomplished wide range of tasks with a wide range of teams" and "extremely organized." The more concrete and interesting things are lower, like "monitored multiple databases to keep track of 160 personnel deployed across seven provinces and 18 organizations." Your resume sounds much stronger where you're explicit.
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tuyop posted:I got permission from my chain of command to seek civilian employment. They'll approve leave for interviews and stuff now. I've been working on my resume and once I got my memo back I wrote up some cover letters, proofed them with my mom ( Now this is more like it. Caveat: in the US, your apps would go nowhere due to 'preference'/'asset' being more like 'requirement' in practice. But it's a start. Go apply to 50 other highly paid for lovely lifestyle jobs and you might even get a few to pick from. Re: your resume, I'd make a one page version of that (idk about Canada, but in the States, 1 page is standard for non-PhD's) with experience ahead of education, making sure to focus only on the interesting parts; as Cuddlebottom said, the 'skills' section is the weakest. Once you have it down to one page, you can expand to a second page if you must, but I feel like what you've got there is either a strong one page resume or a weak two pager.
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tuyop posted:And I've applied for these two job descriptions, so the resume is kind of angled toward them. Especially the language legislation analyst. You know you're not going to get to eat fresh fruit and vegetables in Nunavut, right?
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Giant Goats posted:You know you're not going to get to eat fresh fruit and vegetables in Nunavut, right? Or see daylight for six months out of the year? Or leave the house if it's not an absolute necessity? Speaking Innu's no big deal; if they're hiring from outside Nunavut / NWT, nobody who applies will speak the language anyway. Nobody wants to go up there. Keep in mind that the cost of living up north is absolutely ridiculous, I've heard stories of 20$ packs of smokes and 7$ slices of pizza, but I've never set foot in Nunavut myself (Stayed on the boat  ) so I wouldn't know. It's a good way of gaining experience in whatever field you want to go in, I guess.
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FrozenVent posted:I've heard stories of 20$ packs of smokes and 7$ slices of pizza, That sounds cheap as hell when you consider $29.00 jars of Cheeze-Whiz and $39.00 bottles of cranberry cocktail.
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Does anyone know what competition might be like up there for these jobs? It's hard to find that kind of thing out. Edit: Also, thanks for the resume advice. It feels really wrong to have a two page resume at this stage in my life, but nobody else I showed it to said anything about the length. I'll pare it down. tuyop fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Apr 29, 2012 |
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