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toenut
Apr 11, 2003

fourth and nine

mysterious frankie posted:

Yeah, I got a really clear mental image of a giant :smug: floating weightless in the cold depths of space, obscuring the sun, tangible waves of pure egotistic energy oozing off of it in thick, gauzy blankets when I read the Floyd quotes in that article. I don't know anything about the beer scene in Portland, but I really doubt it's been in stasis since the Superbowl Shuffle made its debut.

EDIT: Does he maybe mean that Portland isn't doing so much gimmicky stuff? Seems like crazy gimmicks are lauded by a lot of enthusiasts. If so, Portland, I have a really great idea for an stout named Tom Thumb that will actually taste like thumbs and marmite. Give me a call @ ...

Apparently he was misquoted as he was really only complaining about a McMenamin's he didn't like.

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/three-floyds-goes-to-europe.14566/page-2#post-175066

And sorry for the BA link.

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mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

toenut posted:

Apparently he was misquoted as he was really only complaining about a McMenamin's he didn't like.

http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/three-floyds-goes-to-europe.14566/page-2#post-175066

And sorry for the BA link.

Aha! I thought that sounded like an unusually lovely thing to say, writing off an entire cities-worth of brewers.

But seriously, if anyone in Portland wants to get in on this Tom Thumb idea with me, hit me up.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

mysterious frankie posted:

Is there anything else up thataway? Might as well make a day of it if I'm taking the train.

Beer-wise? Probably not in Kenosha. I'm not familiar with any well-known breweries there. But there's probably a good bar somewhere in the town. Close to the train is another thing...

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
There are some really awesome events going down in San Diego during the World Beer Cup this year. I'm quite interested in the Founder's event they're doing at Hamilton's, but of course, I have plans after 8 that night AND it's probably going to be nuts to butts the whole night. :smith:

quote:

Firkin Friday w/ Founders & Green Flash
May 4th, 2012

Green Flash:

Collaboration Brew LINCHPIN White IPA on draught and CASK!

Green Flash: Double Stout, 2010 Barley Wine, Imperial, Le Freak Belgian ALe, Palate Wrecker Sextuple IPA , Rayon Vert!

Founders Centennial IPA,Red’s Rye PA, Dirty Bastard Scotch Ale, All Day IPA, Double Trouble Imperial IPA, Curmudgeon Old Ale, Imperial Stout, KBS!

What's interesting about this one is that we don't actually have Founders in California, so pretty much all of that would be new stuff.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

What are some good Imperial Reds out there? I'm in Texas and the ones I can think of that I've had would be Lagunitas' offering and then Oskar Blues G'Knight. Any other quality ones? I think I've had one by Bear Republic, Red Rocket Ale...though I think that's a Scottish Red and the others are Irish Reds? Any difference there?

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Terrapin's Big Hoppy Monster and Clownshoes Eagle Claw Fist are the only two big reds I have had (both good, but I like the Clownshoes better). I'm not even sure what qualifies as an "imperial" red, though? And as for styles, I know Irish Red Ale is recognized - I've never heard of Scottish Red. Not sure there's a clear difference, unless they are splitting hairs, since there are Irish Reds that use Scottish malts, etc.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

mysterious frankie posted:

Aha! I thought that sounded like an unusually lovely thing to say, writing off an entire cities-worth of brewers.

But seriously, if anyone in Portland wants to get in on this Tom Thumb idea with me, hit me up.

The more I think about what was supposed to be a joke, the more Tom Thumb could actually be tasty. Haha, oh beer. You make the combination of licking human skin + vegetable paste sound appetizing in liquid form.


danbanana posted:

Beer-wise? Probably not in Kenosha. I'm not familiar with any well-known breweries there. But there's probably a good bar somewhere in the town. Close to the train is another thing...

Any nature parks or other notable stuff? I've never been to Kenosha, so I dunno what to expect.

mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Apr 27, 2012

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Just had the Great Divide 18th Anniversary Wood Aged Double IPA.

I like it. A lot. Very good balance going on. Glad its not too sweet. And the oak chips add just the right touch of flavor.

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005

Having an old Schlenkerla Marzen that has been lurking around the back of my fridge for the past year-ish. It made me realize that I've had a lot of US-made smoked beers, but none of them, IMO, come even close to this one -- something I feel a little bad about because I just traded some Left Hand Smoke Jumper to ol' funkybottoms and I know it's one of his favorites.

Maybe it's the brand name messing with my head; I dunno.

Paul Proteus
Dec 6, 2007

Zombina says "si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes!"
Final DLD post out

http://www.3floyds.com/2012/04/26/2012-dld/

"This year’s bottles are Bourbon Barrel Aged Dark Lord, Vanilla Bean Bourbon Barrel Aged Dark Lord, Cognac Barrel Aged Dark Lord, and Cognac Barrel Aged Dark Lord de Muerte."

If I win I think I'd go Cognac or Vanilla Bourbon.

Valencia
Feb 1, 2005

Cyril, go lock up the product before Cokie Monster here gobbles it all up.

:catdrugs:
Just put Saison du Buff up against New Belgium's Golden Cap, another saison. I enjoyed the Golden Cap a lot more, which isn't surprising considering the higher hop profile that Saison du Buff has and how I'm still easing into hoppy beers. I found the hops hit right on the front though and then subsided to a really clean finish, which intrigued me. It wasn't that bad at all. Also, by the time I ordered it they only had a half-pour left so they didn't charge me :toot:

CalvinDooglas
Dec 5, 2002

Watch For Fleeing Immigrants
Got a Brooklyn mixed 12 pack at the store. Has the IPA, Pennant Pale, Lager, and Brown ale. Pennant was nothing special, Lager is still decent.

Also tried Sea Dog's blueberry beer at a restaurant. Smelled exactly like the Maine Blueberry syrup in my fridge, but tasted OK. Just not with pizza.

quote:

"If you're not traveling and learning new stuff, you're sort of stuck," he said. "Look at Portland. It's still based on Willamette and Cluster (hops). It's the same (bleeping) beer you were drinking 30 years ago!"

Willamette hops are over.

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


I'm drinking an Alpine Mandarin Nectar from a Weihenstephaner glass. It's nice, slightly tart and very refreshing. The flavor reminds me more of apricot than citrus, and that's reinforced by the almost fuzzy mouthfeel - very slightly viscous, and the carbonation plays with the texture in a certain way. It's hard to explain, but it feels a lot like apricot skin. Anyhow, it's a tasty beer, but probably not one of Alpine's strongest offerings. I don't regret picking it up, though.

wattershed
Dec 27, 2002

Radio got his free iPod, did you get yours???
This came up a few weeks back, but someone on here recommended to me 8 Wired's Batch 31 Imperial Stout, aged with coffee in oak barrels.

Very. drat. Good. Think Speedway on oak, or Yeti with coffee and less oak.

Find it, buy it. Hops make their way through, it's thick and sweet but not cloyingly so, and finishes nice and warm. Enjoying this immensely.

wattershed
Dec 27, 2002

Radio got his free iPod, did you get yours???

wattershed posted:

This came up a few weeks back, but someone on here recommended to me 8 Wired's Batch 31 Imperial Stout, aged with coffee in oak barrels.

Very. drat. Good. Think Speedway on oak, or Yeti with coffee and less oak.

Find it, buy it. Hops make their way through, it's thick and sweet but not cloyingly so, and finishes nice and warm. Enjoying this immensely.

Moving on, on my around-the-world beerventure tonight, to the Doppelbock (Korbinian) from Weihenstephaner. Never had a doppelbock before, actually.

If this were a bit more estery, finished with that back-of-tongue bitter yeast profile, or were a touch thicker, I'd think this was a tripel or quad. Only minus? It just dawned on me that the nose is a bit like really, really fresh horse poo poo. Like, when a horse at the track lays a load in the paddock and it just sits in the air smothering everyone.

Aside from taking me back to going to the races with my dad as a little kid, this is another outstanding beer from Weihenstephaner. For all the love their hefeweisen gets, and rightfully so, this might be better. Finishes sticky on the lips, light on the tongue, and very clean in the mouth overall. Second recommendation of the night!

rage-saq
Mar 21, 2001

Thats so ninja...
I've said numerous times I have more or less a love affair with Stillwater. They really make it hard to not gush about their beers...

:allears:

The nice and dry hoppy saison with a little spices (thyme & sage) that we all know and love put in a red wine barrel with some brett. Based on the description you would be thinking something bold, funky and pretty tart/acidic, which would be nice (like say Allagash Interlude) but you would also be wrong.

The barrel aging mellows this out a little bit, just enough to take the "brightness" off the hops without muting them. The oak and red wine are really subtle, you get just the right amount to let you know they are there, with an interesting complexity added by the tannins from both that really turn this into art. The brett barely lets you know its there, with just a slight appearance in the nose throwing up some faint pineapple/mango esters.

This beer drinks more like a fine wine showing restraint, balance, nuances and a well balanced character and I really wish I had some more.

Jack Skeleton
Dec 7, 2006

CalvinDooglas posted:

I know this is the beer thread and all, but if you're going out to Paso Robles make time for the wine. It's seriously a poor man's Sonoma Valley out there: free tasting, unpretentious wineries, cheap bottles, no appointments, no expectation of purchase.

I went several years ago and had a blast, but that was before I knew about Firestone Walker.

After the lovely month I've been having - I fully plan to take advantage of it. I agree that it's great for all things alcohol. Though there is a Solvang brewing company that I tried once and want to give them another chance as the first time I had them, nothing they cranked out was worth a drat.

Seems like central California isn't all that beer heavy. Anyone have any suggestions?

Kudosx
Jun 6, 2006

it's raining zerglings!
I tried Tripel Karmeliet for the first time last night, and it was pretty darn good. I had a bottle that was over-carbonated (infected?), and the first 2 glasses I poured were about 4/5 foam... I think if it wasn't for that I would have enjoyed the beer much more.

I did get to enjoy the second half of the bottle without the beer having quite as much of a head when I poured, but it was still much larger than normal. I feel like the Karmeliet was a lot more balanced than most Tripels I have tried. I still think my favorite Tripel is Cerberus by Thirsty Dog.

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

Last night I crossed the border into NY and man, they get so much sweet poo poo that I can't in CT. I wil be going back to that store. I got their last bottle of Palate Wrecker, and saw that they have Racer 5 in abundance as well. Also scored a bomber of Victory at Sea, a Stone IRS, and a Founder's Imperial Stout.

I had the Victory at Sea last night, and I'm not very knowledgable on porters, but this beer owned. Obviously the vanilla and coffee were very upfront but neither was overwhelming. The 10% ABV wasn't apparent (until I'd finished the whole bomber lmao) and it was enjoyable from start to finish as it warmed up.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

mysterious frankie posted:

Any nature parks or other notable stuff? I've never been to Kenosha, so I dunno what to expect.

I really don't know. My experience has been mostly the Woodman's right off the highway on my way to a lakehouse west of there. So not much knowledge of the town itself.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

rage-saq posted:

I've said numerous times I have more or less a love affair with Stillwater. They really make it hard to not gush about their beers... :allears:

Brian is a very talented brewer indeed. When describing him, I feel that he's come close to perfecting the art of subtlety in craft brewing. I really like the roasted and hoppy twist he does on a saison in Existent, and it falls well outside of conventional beer styles. The use of Brett and saison yeast put the Premium on a whole new level compared to other session beers with corn and rice. I can't wait until he has a bar/storefront in Baltimore.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black
Stillwater may have some of the best bottle artwork around. I am fully jealous of whoever gets their distro.

Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?

wattershed posted:

Moving on, on my around-the-world beerventure tonight, to the Doppelbock (Korbinian) from Weihenstephaner. Never had a doppelbock before, actually.

LOVE Korbinian. I only wish the local Total Wine got it as well as the hefe, because the only place I can get it now has it marked up several dollars (same as all their beers...but they've got such a great selection...). I'd buy a case of that stuff in a heartbeat if I could get it for the same price as the hefe.

My boss is visiting family in WI and promised to bring some New Glarus back for me. So excited!

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

danbanana posted:

I really don't know. My experience has been mostly the Woodman's right off the highway on my way to a lakehouse west of there. So not much knowledge of the town itself.

When I return from my trip I will bring back much knowledge of this mysterious place the natives call... Kenosha. I mean, assuming I go. I'm pretty lazy.
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Had Midas Touch last night. It was my second Dogfish Head beer to date- the first being a 90 Minute IPA- and was probably my favorite of the two. Very winey without being warming, and the honey gave it enough sweetness to cut the saffron down to non-emetic levels of enjoyability. Very well balanced and pleasantly weird. Someone else last night described it as being "Complex, but not challenging" and I think I agree with that.

What other Dogfish Head beers would you guys recommend?

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Sah'Tea, Noble Rot, Red & White, Saison du Buff. In the fall, Punkin.

Butt Soup Barnes
Nov 25, 2008

mysterious frankie posted:

When I return from my trip I will bring back much knowledge of this mysterious place the natives call... Kenosha. I mean, assuming I go. I'm pretty lazy.
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Had Midas Touch last night. It was my second Dogfish Head beer to date- the first being a 90 Minute IPA- and was probably my favorite of the two. Very winey without being warming, and the honey gave it enough sweetness to cut the saffron down to non-emetic levels of enjoyability. Very well balanced and pleasantly weird. Someone else last night described it as being "Complex, but not challenging" and I think I agree with that.

What other Dogfish Head beers would you guys recommend?

As mentioned Punkin is good. WWS is worth a try if you can get one that's been aged for a little bit. Palo Santo Marron is a very interesting beer as well, but not something I could drink often.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

mysterious frankie posted:


What other Dogfish Head beers would you guys recommend?

I second Red&White, which I think is their best big bottle release. Most of the others are overpriced and... weird. Which is kind of the point, I guess.

60 minute is an IPA standard. Always the same, readily available in any bar. 90 minute is better. 120 is something else altogether. If you can find it cheap (say, less than $9 per bottle) I recommend it just so you can say you've had it. 21% ABV. It'll get you. I haven't opened my bottle of 75, but that's new this year. It's gotten good reviews.

But my favorite from them is Burton Baton, which I highly recommend. And World Wide Stout, but that's something that really needs to age before it's any good.

Butt Soup Barnes
Nov 25, 2008

danbanana posted:

I second Red&White, which I think is their best big bottle release. Most of the others are overpriced and... weird. Which is kind of the point, I guess.

60 minute is an IPA standard. Always the same, readily available in any bar. 90 minute is better. 120 is something else altogether. If you can find it cheap (say, less than $9 per bottle) I recommend it just so you can say you've had it. 21% ABV. It'll get you. I haven't opened my bottle of 75, but that's new this year. It's gotten good reviews.

But my favorite from them is Burton Baton, which I highly recommend. And World Wide Stout, but that's something that really needs to age before it's any good.

How could I forget Burton Baton? PLEASE try this if you can get your hands on it. I think it's a year-round brew now. Probably my favorite DFH.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.
Awesome, all suggestions noted! The theater I'm going to tonight is sort of close to a Binny's, so I'll see what I can score on the way home.

I saw their Chicory Stout on the shelf while I was getting the Midas Touch yesterday. The idea of chicory in a stout I could go two ways on. Coffee stouts are good, chicory in coffee is good... but it doesn't naturally follow that they'd both be good in a beer at the same time. What's the consensus on the that? Is it any good?

mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 27, 2012

Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?
I love their Chicory Stout. It's not overpowering, it just adds a nice, pleasent background flavor to the beer.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
I think all of Dogfish Head's beers are worth trying once, some I never re-visit some I buy once in a while. I don't buy their beer very often now though, then again I rarely buy anything more than once lately.

Goose Island's Sofie is pretty outstanding. I wonder if they aged it in valpolicella barrels as it has a similar dry red wine taste as the Amarone I drank last night. Lemon zest and oranges were found, lemon up front with semi-sweet oranges just enough to balance out the dryness of it. There's a slight funk, but it's the kind of smell I get from the Amarone slightly oak and a hard to describe funk. I really enjoyed it and plan to buy a 4 pack to age.

Manky
Mar 20, 2007


Fun Shoe

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Sah'Tea, Noble Rot, Red & White, Saison du Buff. In the fall, Punkin.

I had Sah'Tea about a month ago. I'm a DFH apologist and actually a big fan of their ancient ales (got to see the molecular archaeologist who spearheaded it when he spoke at the AIA conference in Philly, it was awesome). But I just could not get into Sah'Tea. It's not that I really dislike the taste of chamomile - it's fine, I have no real problems with it - but as my friend remarked when tasting it, it sort of tastes like food. Sort of soapy, chamomile, food water.

Wait, poo poo. I just went and looked at the beer shelf. I'm thinking of Ta Henket. I'm not sure I remember what Sah'Tea tastes like. I really wasn't impressed with either. I still want to try Theobroma, though.

My favorite DFH is Chateau Jiahu, that crap is out of sight. Really delicious. I also like this year's Aprihop a lot. Red & White was honestly like a better version of Noble Rot. Burton Baton is good.

Their Chicory Stout makes me sick, I think I'm sort of weird about it. It's actually the only beer I've ever drain poured, and I felt terrible about it, but I was actually getting nauseated.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
Theobroma really impressed me when I had it recently, mildly spicy with slight heat from the chilies with a mild cocoa flavor on par with the spice, well balanced. Sah'Tea I used to love, but it was hard finishing a bottle myself recently, it's just a bit too sweet to finish a full bottle. I haven't had Chateau Jiahu in a while though, I need to re-visit it.

mysterious frankie
Jan 11, 2009

This displeases Dev- ..van. Shut up.

Manky posted:

I had Sah'Tea about a month ago. I'm a DFH apologist and actually a big fan of their ancient ales (got to see the molecular archaeologist who spearheaded it when he spoke at the AIA conference in Philly, it was awesome). But I just could not get into Sah'Tea. It's not that I really dislike the taste of chamomile - it's fine, I have no real problems with it - but as my friend remarked when tasting it, it sort of tastes like food. Sort of soapy, chamomile, food water.

Wait, poo poo. I just went and looked at the beer shelf. I'm thinking of Ta Henket. I'm not sure I remember what Sah'Tea tastes like. I really wasn't impressed with either. I still want to try Theobroma, though.

My favorite DFH is Chateau Jiahu, that crap is out of sight. Really delicious. I also like this year's Aprihop a lot. Red & White was honestly like a better version of Noble Rot. Burton Baton is good.

Their Chicory Stout makes me sick, I think I'm sort of weird about it. It's actually the only beer I've ever drain poured, and I felt terrible about it, but I was actually getting nauseated.

In reference to the Chicory Stout and getting nauseated... would you compare it in any way to some of the heavier Shmaltz offerings? I thought I liked them a lot after enjoying an odd sixer of Messiah Bold I found sitting by its lonesome at a Dominick's in 2007, but recently I snagged their Holiday Pack and nearly everything had me gagging. So, basically, Origin, Jewbelation 15, Reunion Ale ’11, Bittersweet Lenny’s RIPA, Hop Manna and then a bottle of Jewbelation 2009 all did a number on me and if the Chicory Stout is anything like that, I might just save the $15 for a different Dogfish Head beer.

That's not me commenting on the quality of Shmaltz either. I think I just have a really touchy stomach and some stuff just immediately sends me to the porcelain.

mysterious frankie fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Apr 27, 2012

Manky
Mar 20, 2007


Fun Shoe
Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to try any Shmaltz, so I can't be of any help comparing them. I did take that drain pour slightly out of context, though - the first DFH chicory stout I drank, I thought it was okay, but not great. However, it was actually the second one I opened, I just couldn't make it through.

As a stout, I think it's okay; it is entirely the chicory aspect that I remember disliking. I think it's worth a try, and I don't think it's a bad beer. I was drinking it because my dad had actually bought a case of it, he liked it so much. If you know you like their 90-Minute IPA, it's probably worth trying the chicory stout, you can really tell it's a DFH brew, and I mean that in a good way. I just don't like it, and that's totally on me.

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
One of the big craft distributors released this weeks releases and there's a few I'm excited for: 21st Amendment Hell or High Watermelon Wheat, Breckenridge #72 Imperial Chocolate Cream Stout, and Cricket Hill Jersey Summer Breakfast Ale. None have really high ratings, but I'll pick them up and make my own decisions. The 21st Amendment will probably be a great easy drinking beer, the others we'll see.

On the subject of Schmaltz, I found some blended beer by them aged in rye whiskey and bourbon barrels, $8 for a 22 ounce. I'm definitely grabbing one soon.

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence
Really sad that this Biere de Miel is about to be gone. My fourth foray into saisons, and this one has to be my favorite (Hennepin, Saison Dupont, and Victory S.d.B. preceding it). The aroma was amazing. Smelled like fresh apples and honey, on top of a bed of the dankest yeast. Taste is pretty much the same, lots of fruit with honey and mild yeast at the end. Carbonation? Perfect. Could drink this all day.

bartolimu
Nov 25, 2002


Retemnav posted:

I love their Chicory Stout. It's not overpowering, it just adds a nice, pleasent background flavor to the beer.

Chicory Stout is very much an everyday drinker kind of beer to me. It's a decent stout, not too huge and not too thin, with the chicory adding bitterness and flavor interest. Not sure what's going on with the people who get pukey from it, I've ever had that problem.

WaffleStomp
May 7, 2007

Midorka posted:

21st Amendment Hell or High Watermelon Wheat

Since you're accustomed to drain pouring, get ready for this. Hands down one of the worst beers I've ever had. Their IPA and Bitter American, however, are awesome.

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Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

WaffleStomp posted:

Since you're accustomed to drain pouring, get ready for this. Hands down one of the worst beers I've ever had. Their IPA and Bitter American, however, are awesome.

How is Monks Blood? I saw that yesterday and I was curious about it but not curious enough to buy a four pack.

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