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It's bizarrely drawn, but then again these characters are supposed to be inhumanly proportioned. Liefeld can also draw great monsters when he doesn't have to care about human proportions. How about uploading some pages featuring regular human characters? That would better showcase the artist's talent.
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Baron Bifford posted:It's bizarrely drawn, but then again these characters are supposed to be inhumanly proportioned. Liefeld can also draw great monsters when he doesn't have to care about human proportions. How about uploading some pages featuring regular human characters? That would better showcase the artist's talent. The topic title says no more Liefeld, so I wouldn't. Also, I'm sure that it would account for less than 5% of his work, so saying he can do one thing good when he never does it, would not represent the artist well. IUG fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Apr 21, 2012 |
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Apr 21, 2012 18:37
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IUG posted:so saying he can do one thing good when he never doesn't, would not represent the artist well. That's like a...triple negative right there.
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Apr 21, 2012 22:11
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Quantum of Phallus posted:That's like a...triple negative right there. Woops, said "does it" in my head, and I guess my fingers misheard me.
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Apr 21, 2012 22:36
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Gantz is racist, misogynistic gore-porn so can we please skip it?
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Apr 22, 2012 13:16
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I've never read a shred of Gantz in my life, but if that's the criteria we exclude things by in this thread there won't be many comics left to post. On the subject of mysognistic gore-porn, there's a really beautiful cover I like but I can't find it at the moment; it's a Bird of Prey issue from a few years ago, featuring a cool, stylized poster of the Blackhawks, with actual Lady Blackhawk standing in font of it, in the middle of a fight, wiping the blood from her broken nose. It's a neat little poster and a nice meld of two art-styles ala Seven Soldiers #1.
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Apr 22, 2012 15:18
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Is it all right to post manga artwork in this thread?
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Apr 25, 2012 21:27
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If you want to post bad manga art then you have to post all manga art 
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Apr 25, 2012 21:29
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My personal opinion: I say it's alright. It's not Liefeld  And about the only difference between them and US comics is the style/nation it's being drawn in. Then again I'm a very loud Guyver fan too, so... Just no creepy poo poo.  I know where that can lead.
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Apr 25, 2012 22:30
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Here's some good art (to say the least) from one I recently discovered: The Blue Dragon Originally a French theatre play in Quebec, Canada by Robert Lepage & Marie Michaud, it was adapted into a graphic novel rather than simply putting the script onto paper alone. This image here shows the comparison from theatre to paper by artist Fred Jourdain:  There are three central characters interacting in three languages: French, English, and Mandarin. Clearly the gorgeous artwork makes this stand out, but the love triangle story of French-Canadians living in Shanghai is well-told and shows great respect to the different cultures.    Being as the paperback is approx 9x12, I was surprised that I couldn't find any high-quality photos on the net - so I took some myself. (The entire book isn't this skim on dialogue, these just look fantastic filling up both pages)     
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Apr 26, 2012 00:02
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Check this guy out in Ultimates #8: You can just hear the BWWUUUUH?
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Apr 26, 2012 01:04
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Wait, The City? Both words capitalized? Do I sense a certain big blue loveable dumb-rear end being referenced?  VVV Aww. I was hoping to see The Tick 
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Apr 26, 2012 01:45
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Wait, The City? Both words capitalized? Do I sense a certain big blue loveable dumb-rear end being referenced? The City is Ultimate Reed Richards' plan to conquer the world. He built it and then closed it off for a thousand years of accelerated time and when they reemerged they started loving over the world right quick with their advanced technologies. (you should be reading Hickman's The Ultimates)
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DEVILDOGOOORAH posted:If you want to post bad manga art then you have to post all manga art But I want to post good manga art!  This is from Blade of the Immortal, written and drawn by Hiroaki Samura. It's a long series and the art has changed in style over the years (it's been going since 1994), but the artist is classically trained and it shows. His backgrounds and landscapes are always realistic, he's put a lot of historically accurate detail in the architecture and clothing, and his covers are badass.          
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TwoPair posted:Check this guy out in Ultimates #8: There's like four different panels where characters have the bug eyes. It was crazy.
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Apr 26, 2012 03:27
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Soonmot posted:There's like four different panels where characters have the bug eyes. It was crazy. Well the President just announced a nuclear strike, so that seems appropriate.
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Mister Roboto posted:Well the President just announced a nuclear strike, so that seems appropriate. Is the nuclear strike aimed at Donkey Kong Country? That would explain those faces.
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That manga stuff is getting me in the mood to dig out those David Mack Kabuki books again. I don't know that I can defend the whole series or anything, but I will never forget reading Circle of Blood and just being blown away. There was some great art in that book. The main's characterization was just amazing too. Despite her insane body, she just felt absolutely real to me. There were some really amazing things Mack did in the flashbacks and such in that comic. Man. Now I really do want to dig that out again, except I think I lost it a few years back.
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Apr 27, 2012 03:36
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Rabbit Hill posted:This picture made me think of something, though it may not necessarily be the best example. Showing skin, even on female characters, need not be something sexualized. There is tremendous potential in things like posture, muscle tension and relaxation, and weight distribution for conveying personality and emotion. The entire body, not just the face, can be an instrument to be played a multitude of ways by an artist that knows what they're doing. Unfortunately, this isn't often evident of comics because lots of artists will only draw like two body types maximum, and always with tense muscles. Off the top of my head, one artist that actually did invoke this was Frazetta, but aside from maybe covers, his work wasn't for comics. Does anyone know of any comic examples that do convey this well?
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Apr 27, 2012 09:18
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Convey what well? Scantily clad people that aren't always gritting their teeth and flexing or have a double d rack?
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Apr 27, 2012 15:19
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Mazed posted:
European comics:  http://i.imgur.com/A3TSi.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/VRdSN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/B5xnY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0qpTP.png
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al-azad posted:Convey what well? Scantily clad people that aren't always gritting their teeth and flexing or have a double d rack? To rephrase that: Using anatomy or nudity to lend characterization or a sense of action to a subject, to evoke a visceral feeling without over-reliance on sexuality or exaggerated musculature. Using the artist example I gave, linked because it's questionably worksafe at best. The thing about this picture is she's hunched over, muscle movement shown easily through fairly simple shading rather than excessive anatomic detail, in a pose conveying a natural shifting of weight in the midst of movement. This detail helps to make the image seem more like a freeze-frame of a character moving in a deliberate way, rather than stopping to pose like you see happening in frames of comic-book superheroines in such examples as these. Possibly a bit sexualized anyway, thanks to the loincloth, and if you consider somewhat idealized feminine characteristics inherent sexualization, but that's not set up as the primary focus of the image. Nor, incidentally, is the sabertooth tiger, but I like him too. Alhazred's examples are pretty good too. Those people are naked because they just kind of are. What're those from, by the way?
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Mazed posted:To rephrase that: Using anatomy or nudity to lend characterization or a sense of action to a subject, to evoke a visceral feeling without over-reliance on sexuality or exaggerated musculature. #1 & #3 are by Enki Bilal, from his Nikopol series (which is excellent, by the way). Not sure about the artist/series of #2 and #4.
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kujeger posted:#1 & #3 are by Enki Bilal, from his Nikopol series (which is excellent, by the way). Not sure about the artist/series of #2 and #4. They are by Grzegorz Rosiński from Thorgal.
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this, but check out this scene from Battle Scars #2.  Little does Marcus know that Cheese has a superpower. Between pages, he can grow a full beard!  Seriously though, this is the same scene. Cheese goes from having 5 o' clock shadow to a goatee (notice he also loses his sideburns) in one page. So... bad art? Bad editing? You decide!
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Apr 27, 2012 21:35
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It's Scott Eaton so it's definitely bad art.
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Uh. Let me see if I follow his logic: "An actual super-villain tried to kill me, but Captain America saved me! Samuel L. Jackson in an eyepatch wanted to put me into protective custody, but I said 'no' by way of loving up six of his boys. Wanna help me kill a guy?" Is that about right?
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Uh. Let me see if I follow his logic: Yep, Battle Scars is preeetty stupid.
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Mazed posted:Alhazred's examples are pretty good too. Those people are naked because they just kind of are. What're those from, by the way? Nudity is used a lot in European comics for artistic effect due to the cultural difference. The naked body isn't as taboo so there's no need to draw attention to the nude form. Nudity is taboo in American culture so whenever you get a comic that's allowed to show bare breasts they go all out to tantalize the reader. Milo Manara is best known for his erotic art but to me there's nothing sexy about it. His works are filled with nudity but his women characters are drawn realistically with special attention paid to proper anatomy. The result is about as sexy as a nude scene in an HBO show or something. Forewarning, Manara's name is synonymous with NOT WORK SAFE. Googling his name will show you more skin than if you Googled Playboy.
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Apr 28, 2012 03:24
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I'm not too impressed by this Manara piece. Nice sense of motion...... also, cool poses.
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Apr 28, 2012 04:47
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The only thing the interests me at all is that bitchin' skull with the aviator goggles on. Bet that dude had a cool story or two to tell. Why isn't there a comic about that?
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Apr 28, 2012 05:18
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Wow, I didn't know Manara did a Marvel cover. That's one of funniest things I've seen him do. Manara does... um, orgy scenes very well. This is from Borgia vol. 3 NSFW
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al-azad posted:Wow, I didn't know Manara did a Marvel cover. That's one of funniest things I've seen him do.
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I saw some images of that X-Women and it's embarrassing stuff. Milo's best work is when he's doing serious stuff that happens to have some nudity in it. I don't care for his erotic pinups but the man is a god with colors and perspective (he studied architecture before working on comics). He loves large, elaborate establishing shots that set the mood (all from Borgia 1 and 2 published in Heavy Metal). NSFW    
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I really like how European comics use nudity and sexual themes in a way that it creates sort of disturbing mood in their stories. I was freaked out as high school age how disturbing some of them really were, thought it seemed that they are bit more laid back about these things in general in their own contries (Baru's road-trip story was sympathetic considering how much there seemed to be little bit random sex scenes). Didier Comés is absolute master, when it comes to creating these really disturbing scenes with sexual tension without even taking the characters' clothes off.
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Apr 28, 2012 10:35
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al-azad posted:Nudity is used a lot in European comics for artistic effect due to the cultural difference. The naked body isn't as taboo so there's no need to draw attention to the nude form. No kidding, this for example was a cover of an album that was sold in convenience stores and no one in my country batted an eye: http://i.imgur.com/3boaR.jpgThe fact that American superhero comics wasn't allowed to show nudity also came as a surprise because I was used to this: http://i.imgur.com/r0WWt.png
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Manara's work in X-Women is not just hampered by not being able to show nudity but also that it's a Claremont script.
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Apr 28, 2012 15:21
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 Klaus Janson's unique approach to drawing Sarah Connor in the Marvel Terminator 2 film adaptation.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Uh. Let me see if I follow his logic: No, it's stupider than that -- the guy speaking IS Samuel L. Jackson with an eyepatch, the son of White Nick Fury. He does not know he is Nick Fury Jr. yet. S.H.I.E.L.D. is run by Quake and Maria Hill now. Also, the dude with a beard is Agent Coulson.
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