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JerryLee posted:I'm not as down on Morkrut Banshee as some people are. It can be a decent card towards the end of building your deck, especially if you have a few sac outlets. The more important thing you should take away from Wezlar's comment is that even if Banshee is playable you should never ever take it over Bonds of Faith (well, if you are in both colors). Yeah, that's what I meant. If the banshee had been a Bonds of Faith instead when I had her, I probably would have had much better chances of winning those particular games.
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revengeanceful posted:Did my very first DII draft for TNMO. I ended up 2-1, but I'm really unhappy with how the draft went. Pack one it was really hard to determine which colors to jump into, and I didn't pick up nearly enough creatures. Just to start, I'm sure P1P4 and P1P11 are questionable at best, and I'm sure I made other bad picks along the way. Please point them out. Anyway, here's the draft: Anybody have any thoughts on this draft?
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revengeanceful posted:Anybody have any thoughts on this draft? p1p2 I think I'd have followed with black, despite Wild Hunger being very good. Ravenous Demon is potentially bomby by itself. p1p6 I don't think you splash for Griptide, and if you are in blue otherwise Runebinder can just win games by itself. p1p7 Dunno with your picks, my line of picks would have happily picked Thought Scour. p1p9 What kind of deck you think you had forming up at this point? p2p2 I believe you want the actual beater in Lantern Spirit, Feeling of Dread is something you can usually wheel. p2p3 This is bad I think, generally Delver is hardly as reliable and overpowering as it is in constructed. Claustrophobia is A class removal you should take here. p2p4 I think the right pick is Claustrophobia again. Stalker is incredibly swingy, but on average I would say Claustrophobia just does things better in the situation where you don't have anything to build around Stalker yet. p2p6 Are you black or white? I think what tempting black you have you can splash at this point: Lingering Souls flashback, Tragic Slip. I'd just pick Chapel Geist and start settling on UWb. p3p3 You are building too much around single Stalker I think. Fiend Hunter, see if you can wheel the dagger. My pack 1: p1 Tragic Slip p2 Ravenous Demon p3 Lingering Souls p4 Midnight Guard p5 Drogskol Captain, thinking that UW must be open p6 Havengul Runebinder p7 Thought Scour p8 Harrowing Journey, in case I end up B anyway, not much power lost by passing Bone to Ash p9 Chant of Skifsang p10 Divination p11 Faith's Shield p12 Thought Scour .. I would have been looking at UWb or UBw after pack 1 with these picks. Though white didn't seem to be coming in the late pack, I probably would go Uw anyway if there's any good W coming from downstream. p1p5 Drogskol Captain is really late I think, and I much rather splash Lingering Souls flashback than maincolour the flashback and splash the actual casting cost. As to you build from pool you had: I think you could use more creatures, I'd cut one Dissipate for Stromkirk Patrol, Feeling of Dread for single Corpse Lunge, one Plains and one Island for two Swamps for a deck a bit more focused on UB and leaving white just for splashing what is worth it.
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Any thoughts on how AVR not having any colorless mana-fixing will affect using it as a standalone set in limited?
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whydirt posted:Any thoughts on how AVR not having any colorless mana-fixing will affect using it as a standalone set in limited? It has the manalith that tucks a card from a graveyard when it ETB. Granted, that's an uncommon, but it's colorless mana fixing!
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whydirt posted:Any thoughts on how AVR not having any colorless mana-fixing will affect using it as a standalone set in limited?  It's not much, but it is something. The two common green mana fixers are pretty good, so I'm kinda interested to see how green based multicolour good stuff could play out in draft.
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Lunael - Thanks very much for your thoughts, I greatly appreciate them. See my thoughts below:Lunael posted:p1p2 I think I'd have followed with black, despite Wild Hunger being very good. Ravenous Demon is potentially bomby by itself.
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Yeah passing the Fiend Hunter was fair there if you were decided on UB at that point, of course (didn't really keep in mind what you had in pile at that point).
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Okay, here's a second draft. Swiss this time, went 1-2 again. I'm not too concerned since I did pick up a foil Liliana (!) which should fund a draft or two more, but I am a bit upset at my own playing and the fact that I got flooded and screwed a few times. I think I was too heavy on the higher-end drops. http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=38krh I made some mistakes near the start and I think it took a little too long to fall into my colors, but I think I ended up with a solid GB deck:  By the way, Essence of the Wild and Spider Spawning makes for a fun time.
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Spincut posted:Okay, here's a second draft. Swiss this time, went 1-2 again. I'm not too concerned since I did pick up a foil Liliana (!) which should fund a draft or two more, but I am a bit upset at my own playing and the fact that I got flooded and screwed a few times. I think I was too heavy on the higher-end drops. p1p1: Okay, right off the bat this may be preference motivated, but I hate first picking captains. Vault is pretty crazy, more versatile (by strategy and utility) and is easier to splash if needed. p1p2: Again this is mostly preference, but I think Burning Oil and Fires are both better here, and following your p1p1 captain it should have been Fires. Things cascade quickly into a different direction after those picks, since you were passed lots of interesting choices had those picks been different.
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Spincut posted:Okay, here's a second draft. Swiss this time, went 1-2 again. I'm not too concerned since I did pick up a foil Liliana (!) which should fund a draft or two more, but I am a bit upset at my own playing and the fact that I got flooded and screwed a few times. I think I was too heavy on the higher-end drops. Looking at your deck: I think it is a bit too top-heavy, even with the double Scorned Villager. Drop Kindercatch, one Hollowhenge Scavenger, play Village Cannibals and Harrowing Journey. The draft, I think you were going a bit too much over the place. p1p1 Vault of the Archangel is easily the pick here. If you have it active, and have any semblance of board presence, your opponent is in a world of hurt. p1p2 As you started with BR lord, I would really just follow with Fires of Undeath. Once you are in the colours, it is just better. p1p5 I wouldn't have made this jump, Blood Feud is decent enough I think. p1p6 I can't say that following green here is wrong, but just keeping to red and picking Forge Devil is definitely not wrong either. p1p7 Pretty much the same, Harrowing Journey is good pick. p1p8 Red feels pretty open too, with the Wrack the Madness coming around. p1p1 The normal question: what colours did you consider yourself to be in after pack 1? p2p2 Wolf is I believe a better beater. p3p5 I think your curve could have used Markov Patrician better. My pack 1: p1 Vault of the Archangel p2 Fires of Undeath - more committing than Death's Caress, but I think the potential power is just higher. p3 Skirsdag Flayer p4 Death's Caress p5 Blood Feud p6 Torch Fiend p7 Harrowing Journey p8 Torch Fiend p9 Wrack with Madness p10 Russet Wolves p11 Erdwal Ripper - not sure if I want second Journey p12 Fling .. Pretty much set on BR after pack 1. Looking to splash Vault activation, any high enough power white I might pick up (Slayer of the Wicked -level).
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quote:Vault of the Archangel is easily the pick here It's hard to "get" some of these cards until you've tried them. I drafted a vault a bit ago, and I was surprised both at how much difference it made and how seldom I activated it. Kind of like Darkthicket Wolf - it's often the threat of activation that's the value rather than actually doing it. Obviously sometimes you certainly do activate vault (or wolf) - but often you don't. Rather, the Vault often works something like "Your small creatures are unblockable, and their big ground creatures don't attack. Pay 5: Gain some life, if you have nothing better to do this turn."
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Can't say if it's better than Vault obviously, but in general I really don't mind starting my drafts with one of the captains if there isn't anything clearly better in the pack. With the possible exception of the zombie (just because I hate trying to be U/B now) they all point me towards decks I'm happy having and if it isn't coming after a few picks I just let it go the same way I would for any enticing but color-heavy first pick. e: feels weird talking about specific INN/DKA picks in the present tense, since I personally have more or less already relegated that format to the past.
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Jackie and I just got back from celebrating our anniversary, so we're capping off a paired, seven course meal with Also, I'm trying to get more inter-grated (internet integrated) so I'll start Tweeting streams and whatnot, in case that's easier to follow. vvv Edit vvv: no, we are classy as gently caress. Edit again: welp, that didn't turn out great. Thanks for attending Durdlefest 2012! Maybe next year something... might... happen? rinski fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Apr 28, 2012 |
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Are you planning on exploding and vomiting like Mr. Creosote? That could be entertaining as well! I always enjoy your drafts.
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Just got back from midnight draft of avr. Got ninth because top 8 went to the undefeated and people who choose to draw into 10 points over my 9 for playing it out. feeling pretty bad right now, but the set is a blast and a half. Moonsilver Spear is an absolute boss, slam that thing every time you see it. Good luck to everyone, watch out for Ravens, because they will ruin your day.
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Thanks for the help with my previous draft, everyone. I have a question: when do you feel like you're "set" in your colors? What's a big enough card or signal to make you want to switch? Also just finished another draft 1-2, RB this time. I'd post it, but I don't want to keep spamming the thread. Basically, I had an epic first round against a RG deck. Beat him even though he had a 12/13 Villagers of Estwald in game 1 and completely swept game 2. Second round I got beat by a UW deck that had stalker/curiosity and lots of fliers I couldn't deal with, then UB got overrun by zombies with captain backup. I think I'm done drafting for the weekend. Will probably do some cube next week, though.
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Build this pool to 4-2: http://pastebin.com/EKwm7yEt How would you have built it? Started with blue in my mind as the #1 colour: double Mist Raven, good amount of evasion, bounce and flicker, card draw. Started with UWb build, as I felt white had excellent single cards like Cathar's Crusade and Goldnight Redeemer, plus better curve than other options. Black splash for removal, as that was the one thing lacking. After two rounds at 1-1, decided to try out more removal heavy but worse curve UB build for 3-1. Thoughts about specific cards: Mist Raven really is excellent, Man-o-War on a respectable body. The ETB ability with various flicker effects well used can really work wonders. There is a good chance for building aggressive decks in the format it seems, and if you go slower white Seraph of Dawn really feels like a key card. Even Angelic Wall feels like solid early stopgap against a lot of things. I was on the fence with Demonlord of Ashmouth, but I feel it is in the end very respectable P/T with reasonable risk/reward. In sealed I think it is way riskier as colour de jour felt like it was blue with it's bounce. Sideboarded it out against a blue deck at 3-1 match against deck I had seen Raven in. I saw Thatcher's Revolt played in several decs against me. In the bad ones it was a Lava Axe at most. In the good ones it came with the Goldnight Commander for DIY Overrun, or very consistently with the Striker and Ringleader. I believe fine that it can be pretty nuts in right draft deck or even the right sealed pool. Lunsku fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Apr 28, 2012 |
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Went loss, win, win in a DII swiss with this build: http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=38lja I'm putting it here as a lesson of what not to do; if you make a questionable decision early in the draft, the right thing to do is abandon it and start fresh, instead of burying yourself further trying to make the initial decision work. I should've picked: P1P1 - Gather the Townsfolk or Loyal Cathar P1P2 - Vault of the Archangel P1P3 - Elgaud Inquisitor P1P4 - Wild Hunger P1P5 - Burden of Guilt P1P6 - Harrowing Journey P1P7 - Undying Evil P1P8 - Faith's Shield and ended up with a much stronger WB build.
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Loot Pinata posted:Went loss, win, win in a DII swiss with this build: Black was the color that was not really open. White was more open than Red but either way you'd have ended up with a weaker color in black
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This may not be an electrifying insight to those better players amongst us, but after playing in the prerelease I think that despite the slow, bomby appearance of the format, those who underestimate consistent aggro decks will do so at their own peril. Trusted Forcemage (green soulbound +1/+1) in particular blew me out as my only loss today with a bomb-filled deck (Bonfire of the Damned and plenty of removal and fat angels) and I imagine it'll only be better in draft.
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I tried to deny it, but Blue is just so good in AVR limited. You can pair it with any color and make a good deck.
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A bit of M12 advice needed! I started U/w but got passed an absolute ton of red cards, wheeling stuff like Gorehorn and Blood Ogre repeatedly. In the end my deck is virtually monored, but I don't know whether to splash blue or white. I ended up with white because it let me go virtually mono-red and kept me aggressive, while also giving me a tapper and Gideon. I sided into blue a number of times just because... gently caress, look at those blue cards. My mind was swayed to go white rather than blue just because the Sphinx doesn't seem that relevant in my super aggressive deck and, while Azure Mage and Looter are sweet as hell, the red cards I brought in really aren't THAT much worse. Also, my deck wants a lot of red mana early and not a ton late, which made me think that Aether Adept and Dragon would be a bit demanding for what I wanted my manabase to do. Opinions? By the way I won the draft easily but it would be more or less impossible to not win with all of these goddamn aggressive undercosted beaters.
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Stormageddon posted:Just got back from midnight draft of avr. Got ninth because top 8 went to the undefeated and people who choose to draw into 10 points over my 9 for playing it out. feeling pretty bad right now, but the set is a blast and a half. Moonsilver Spear is an absolute boss, slam that thing every time you see it. Moonsilver Spear was awesome when the game went on long enough for it to come on board, especially when equipped to a Kruin Striker bonded with a Tandem Lookout. My card quality pretty much defaulted my sealed deck to UR, they were by far my deepest colors. Green and black were all over the place with no rares and nothing all that impressive/cohesive to make them seem worth including. White was very light in my packs (10/82 cards), I wanted to play Angel of Glory's Rise and Voice of the Provinces, but splashing WW cards with no fixing didn't seem like it was worth the risk. Here's the deck I ended up with that took me to 3-2: Stonewright Kruin Striker Lightning Mauler Riot Ringleader x3 Zealous Conscripts Wingcrafter Alchemist's Apprentice Fettergeist x2 Galvanic Alchemist Tandem Lookout Elgaud Shieldmate x2 Mist Raven Gryff Vanguard Bonfire of the Damned Into the Void Peel From Reality Mass Appeal Devastation Tide Moonsilver Spear Island x11 Mountain x 6 Relevant sideboard: Geist Snatch, Ghostly Flicker, Outwit x2, Dangerous Wager x2, Demolish, Falkenrath Exterminator, Gang of Devils, Mad Prophet, Somberwald Vigilante, Thunderbolt. For the first match I had Thunderbolt, Exterminator, Geist Snatch, and Ghostly Flicker in over Kruin Striker, Galvanic Alchemist, 1 Riot Ringleader, and Peel from Reality. I switched to the above decklist after the first match and stuck with it until the end. Would one more Mountain and one less Island been a better play? My deck was so blue heavy and the match came out to needing 1/3 Mountains, but I did end up wanting for red more often than I would have liked
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I like a 10/7 split much better than 11/6. I would have run 9 / 8, myself, because lacking a color can constrain your options so much turns 1-4. While it sucks to be less able to cast multiple spells of a single color after that, missing an early drop can have a huge impact on the game. Mad Prophet seems insane to me, and Falkenrath Exterminator seems okay with three bounce spells. I would have used those.
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Death Pits of Crap posted:I like a 10/7 split much better than 11/6. I would have run 9 / 8, myself, because lacking a color can constrain your options so much turns 1-4. While it sucks to be less able to cast multiple spells of a single color after that, missing an early drop can have a huge impact on the game. Mad Prophet is quite good, I used it today. It has Human synergy, can be aggressive, and can mill through less useful cards/flood to find what you need.
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AnacondaHL posted:Mad Prophet is quite good, I used it today. It has Human synergy, can be aggressive, and can mill through less useful cards/flood to find what you need. I would probably pull out a Shieldmate for the Prophet if I did it again, I thought is was a 1/1 for some reason when I was sorting in to playables/unplayables at the beginning and didn't really look at it again until I got home. The hexproof bond with the Shieldmate was rarely (if ever) relevant with my opponents and there were some games where my hand was choked with poo I would have happily dumped. 10/7 probably would have been nice but I don't think I would have gone to 10/7 since the deck seemed like it worked well with blue opening and messing with the opponent's board/drawing cards and then dropping red later on to finish the job. I liked Executioner at first, but Kruin Striked worked with Mass Appeal, the Riot Ringleaders, and Moonsilver Spear so well I decided to trade out.
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Had a blast at the AVR pre-release (sealed deck with a helvault). This set seemed pretty expensive mana cost wise to me though, I'm pretty sure more than half the cards I got in my 6 boosters were 4+ mana.
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Had a good time at the prerelease, here's what I played with: //Creatures Cathedral Sanctifier Riders of Gavony Archangel Boarderland Ranger Geist Trappers 2 Moorland Inquisitor Kruin Striker Lightning Mauler Goldnight Commander Trusted Forcemage Champion of Lambholt //Artifacts Angel's Tombs //Spells Defang Banishing Stroke Banners Raised Devine Deflection Snare the Skies Pillar of Flame Battle Hymn Thatcher Revolt Vigilane Justice //Land 9 Plains 5 Mountain 5 Forest //Sideboard Seraph Sanctuary Narstad Scrapper Vangard's Shield Scroll of Griselbrand Emancipation Angel 2 Seraph of Dawn Midvast Protector 2 Cursebreak Call to Serve Commander's Authority Yew Spirit 2 Lair Delve Wandering Wolf Wolfir Avenger Bower Passage Sheltering Word Nettle Swine Natural End 2 Uncanny Speed Dangerous Wager Malicious Intent Heirs of Stromkirk 2 Scalding Devil Guise of Fire Hound of Griselbrand Havengul Skaab 2 Mist Raven Second Guess Galvanic Alchemist Ghostform Gryff Vanguard Spectral Prison Alchemist's Apprentice Stern Mentro Amass the Components Dreadwaters Appetite for Brain Mental Agony Human Frailty Soulcage Fiend Corpse Traders Searchlight Geist Death Wind Marrow Bats Grave Exchange Treacherous Pit-Dweller Homicidal Seclusion Crypt Creeper Driver of the Dead Polluted Dead Bone Splinters Unhallowed Pact Killing Wave Into the Void Humans seemed like a good idea, though I had several cards which interacted nicely with Thatcher Revolt (Goldnight Commander, Vigilante Justice, Kruin Striker and especially Champion of Lambholt) but only one copy of it. Though I was keen to cast it, I could probably have afforded to drop some red to better support green.
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I had a sub-par pool, but I did have the white mythic that spits angels, so ended up 2-1-3 (1 draw) for my first ever event. Bad draws and a possibly slightly screwy mana base meant I lost a few games without ever challenging, but I'm overall happy. (:
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Having White as your primary color and not playing Emancipation Angel or Seraph of Dawn seems weird to me. Both of those cards are really, really strong.
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I'd be really interested to hear what exactly folks would build from this pool: http://pastebin.com/y9dMk8UA I was initially really underwhelmed by this pool and felt it was weaker than the one I opened on Saturday, though it does have some power in it too. It ended up better than I expected, but I think I had some luck on the way and definitely ain't sure if I built it right. I'll pip with my deck and some card thoughts later.
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Here's the pool I opened Saturday. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pjstelford-avr-prerelease-1-pool/ I think I built it right, but I want to know your ideas. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pjstelford-avr-prerelease-1-deck/ (U/G) is what I ended up running to go 4-1 (losing to x2 ^^^^I'd be glad to give opinions, but I don't know the cards by name well enough yet.
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BXCX posted:I would probably pull out a Shieldmate for the Prophet if I did it again, I thought is was a 1/1 for some reason when I was sorting in to playables/unplayables at the beginning and didn't really look at it again until I got home. The hexproof bond with the Shieldmate was rarely (if ever) relevant with my opponents and there were some games where my hand was choked with poo I would have happily dumped. 10/7 probably would have been nice but I don't think I would have gone to 10/7 since the deck seemed like it worked well with blue opening and messing with the opponent's board/drawing cards and then dropping red later on to finish the job. I liked Executioner at first, but Kruin Striked worked with Mass Appeal, the Riot Ringleaders, and Moonsilver Spear so well I decided to trade out. I think you're vastly underestimating the value of Hexproof, especially in a limited environment. Blanking 90% of the already limited removal is incredibly powerful.
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PJStelford posted:Here's the pool I opened Saturday. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pjstelford-avr-prerelease-1-pool/ You don't seem to have made any huge mistakes. Lair Delve is better than it looks on the face it's practically made for limited (75% of your cards are activated by it), and I don't think the fake glint hawk idol thing is nearly as good as it seems.
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PJStelford posted:Here's the pool I opened Saturday. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/pjstelford-avr-prerelease-1-pool/ Can you view this? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lunsku-avr-pool-2/ I think my build would have been pretty much the same as yours. Would have probably played the Spectral Prison, you're not packing too much removal.
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