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Mazerunner posted:Hmmm, I'm not really sure how I feel about depicting real people (even if they are douchebags) as being genocidal murderers and 'anti-christs' and then being brutally murdered themselves. Seems a bit... over the top? I guess? But it's not real people. It's Guy Fieri and ICP.
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Mazerunner posted:Hmmm, I'm not really sure how I feel about depicting real people (even if they are douchebags) as being genocidal murderers and 'anti-christs' and then being brutally murdered themselves. Seems a bit... over the top? I guess? Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, I felt a bit uncomfortable when Dirk started fleshing out Guy Fieri's story, and I realized he'd have a bigger role than a silly throw-away joke on Jane's desktop. But I read it less as real people that are just awful and more as weird internet jokes that are turned into horrifying monsters. I doubt that Hussie has a deep and abiding hatred of Guy Fieri and the ICP, he probably just finds taking largely harmless internet jokes and stretching them to absurdly monstrous conclusions to be hilarious. As long as that's the most we hear of it, then I can agree with him. Plus, they're relegated to the distant past/future, so they're still in that "background joke" area that every other reference to real people and pop icons has been.
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Starmaker posted:Yeah, I can see where you're coming from, I felt a bit uncomfortable when Dirk started fleshing out Guy Fieri's story, and I realized he'd have a bigger role than a silly throw-away joke on Jane's desktop. If you watched Food Network for any amount of time you would actually want the entire rest of homestuck to just be a series of new and more gruesome deaths for Guy Fieri, scratch after scratch of fuckface murder.
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Apr 27, 2012 11:49
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Truly it is an awful vision of the future, when Niagara Falls flows red with the blood of billions of innocent victims. Guy Fieri is an evil, evil man. He's also someone I have only heard of through Homestuck. I preferred it when I hadn't heard of him or ICP thank you very much! 
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Failboattootoot posted:If you watched Food Network for any amount of time you would actually want the entire rest of homestuck to just be a series of new and more gruesome deaths for Guy Fieri, scratch after scratch of fuckface murder. After reading more about him, I can't say I entirely disagree.
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Roger Explosion posted:Hey heeeeey! Yesssssssss! B2-Rose looks like some kind of alien with a giant brain though 
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creationist believer posted:Yesssssssss! I don't know, the shape of her hair kind of reminded me of Lucy Flathead from Zork: Grand Inquisitor.  On another note, I think with the ICP and Guy Fieri, these are the first characters in Homestuck that have been drawn as visibly fat.
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Mr. Lobe posted:On another note, I think with the ICP and Guy Fieri, these are the first characters in Homestuck that have been drawn as visibly fat. Sawbuck. Yes that counts 
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:How long before some devoted fans track down and brutally murder ICP and Guy Fieri? I would kind of love to see the news try and explain it if a crazed Homestuck fan killed Guy Fieri and rode his corpse down a waterfall. Like, no, don't actually do that, anyone. But I'm just trying to imagine how in the world they'd explain the context of this. The court notes would basically require a lengthy synopsis of Homestuck for any of it to make anything resembling sense.
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nerdbot posted:I would kind of love to see the news try and explain it if a crazed Homestuck fan killed Guy Fieri and rode his corpse down a waterfall. Like, no, don't actually do that, anyone. But I'm just trying to imagine how in the world they'd explain the context of this. "Motion to strike the Act 3 Intermission from the record on grounds of irrelevance." "No you gotta read it! It'll be relevant later I promise!"
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Thundarr posted:Because Vriska is a bad influence? v I'm very inclined to agree, even if it's not the hip, popular opinion. We literally just cut from Tavros and Vriska (who are both outside the normal continuum anyway) deciding to gently caress some poo poo up. They're in the dream bubbles, a deal cut between both Meenah and Feferi and the horrorterrors. I feel like that's enough to at least humor the idea that something fishy is going on. Bell_ posted:It fits both with her agenda of psychological warfare and the little we picked up from Meenah in the dream bubble. We've seen her being pretty fit in the flash and Scratch's narration, but the figureheads she attracted and the lifestyles they glorified make me wonder if we'll see a fleshy beast of such corpulence we forget all our Fat Vriska jokes. This would be absolutely hilarious. Besides, with all humans extinct (save for two), she wouldn't have to worry about keeping in shape for any resistance movements.
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I see a beehive. Maybe a strange space future beehive, but a beehive nonetheless.
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I'd like to think that just as it's become A Thing that Fieri and ICP are villains in Homestuck, that also the likes of Nick Offerman, David Cross, Nick Cage, Liv Tyler, and the rest of the celebrity shout-outs in this comic would join Dave and Rose in the resistance. Brought together to seek justice for the assassination of Donald Glover of course.
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Nate RFB posted:Nick Cage Oh my god we don't know anything about B2 nic cage! He could turn up at any point!
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Rooreelooo posted:Oh my god we don't know anything about B2 nic cage! He could turn up at any point! I'm more curious about B2 Fedorafreak.
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Midnight Raider posted:I'm more curious about B2 Fedorafreak. Uh, B2 FedoraFreak has been dead and taxidermied since the 1980s He switched places with his B1 ancestor, Roger Sterling, duhhhhhh
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Mazerunner posted:Hmmm, I'm not really sure how I feel about depicting real people (even if they are douchebags) as being genocidal murderers and 'anti-christs' and then being brutally murdered themselves. Seems a bit... over the top? I guess?
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Thundarr posted:Because Vriska is a bad influence? v Cavatica posted:I'm very inclined to agree, even if it's not the hip, popular opinion. We literally just cut from Tavros and Vriska (who are both outside the normal continuum anyway) deciding to gently caress some poo poo up. They're in the dream bubbles, a deal cut between both Meenah and Feferi and the horrorterrors. I feel like that's enough to at least humor the idea that something fishy is going on. I hate to burst your bubbles, guys, but... Hussie's Girlfriend posted:MAN OKAY I normally try not to intrude on stuff like this but this is making me nutbar quote:i’m not spreading this info for some nefarious reason i am spreading it because it is the intentional truth and i want y’all to be able to theorize about poo poo that doesn’t yet have an explanation ok quote:okay here’s a nice explanation:
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quote:I'm kind of in the camp that celebrity violence was stuff I thought funny back in like 3rd grade and the last few panels are the only really cringe-worthy moments of lameness Homestuck has seen. But, I mean, at least hussie has cause for it, and at least he kept it brief. snucks fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Apr 27, 2012 |
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I think the difference is that this is sort of being played for absurdity. It isn't really comparable to Buckley's Paris Hilton murder strip because there, the joke is merely "PARIS HILTON'S A DUMB BITCH" because Buckley. Here it feels more like the joke is that the idea of a Double Juggalo Presidency instating death camps for those who are not sufficiently mirthful is bizarre and insane and over-the-top, rather than "HA DID YOU SEE HIM KILL THOSE JUGGALOS??" The idea of Guy Fieri being the Antichrist could be seen as a jab at him, but it's also so far out there that I can't really take it as a serious attack on Fieri himself. It's sort of like how the Nic Cage jokes go so far out there that they stop really being about Nic Cage and become their own, strange thing. nerdbot fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 27, 2012 |
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You could interpret it as a sign of just how hosed up this universe is. Sort of like "Before the war, he was just a harmless celebrity chef, without an oppressive bone in his doughy body."
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What's interesting too is that, if you read into this a certain way, it means ICP was created purely out of the Condesce's desire to re-create the Subjuggalotrs and would not have existed in our universe otherwise. I can't believe I just typed that sentence.
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Maybe it's Crocker's work in the first place, all that subliminal messaging in the ads and maybe secret ingredients in the food made humanity more predisposed towards madness. It could have been one of possibly various things helping tip the scales of generating a few more complete psychopaths out of people who might have just been doughy and vaguely benign(if embarrassing) otherwise. (And I'm also vaguely reminded of "Evil alternate worlds" like that one episode of Star Trek where Spock had a goatee.) Trolls used to be a peaceful race themselves, so it didn't surprise me a bit to see a more violent and extreme aspect of Earth occuring Post-Scratch.
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Nate RFB posted:What's interesting too is that, if you read into this a certain way, it means ICP was created purely out of the Condesce's desire to re-create the Subjuggalotrs and would not have existed in our universe otherwise. Okay, this actually makes a ton of sense if you know your ICP history. According to the lore, Violent J had a dream about spirits in a traveling carnival, and that became the inspiration for everything that followed. The whole Dark Carnival and every one of the Joker's Cards came from places and people in this dream. Now, the Joker's Cards were a six-part concept album. It started with Carnival of Carnage, which introduced the Dark Carnival setting. Each one after that represented going deeper and deeper into hell, until the sixth and final card. The Wraith was a two-part album which was supposed to complete the journey into the Dark Carnival. It was only on the last track of The Wraith: Shangri-La that the band turned around and claimed that the whole point of the Joker's Cards was to find God. A lot of juggalos were upset about this, viewing it as a betrayal of the ideals of horrorcore that ICP had founded ten years earlier. They lost a lot of their fanbase, and what fans they gained were much mellower. This happened in 2002. If the Insane Clown Posse had stuck to their demonic murder roots, who knows how much larger and more violent the juggalo movement would have been by 2012? If it was a dream that made them disband the Inner City Posse to form the Insane Clown Posse, what happened ten years ago to change their direction a second time?
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RandomFerret posted:Okay, this actually makes a ton of sense if you know your ICP history. Actually, I wonder if this is why Hussie gave Gamzee dream-influencing powers. He inserted those clowns into John's dreams and Lil' Cal into Dave's dreams.
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Random thought of the night: Now that Dave is God-tier, what would happen if created more dead Daves via timetravel? Assuming the deaths of these doomed Daves were not heroic or just, would they resurrect?
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Bobulus posted:Random thought of the night: Now that Dave is God-tier, what would happen if created more dead Daves via timetravel? All doomed Daves would do something incredibly dangerous but also incredibly heroic. Non-heroic
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YggiDee posted:Maybe 'for the good of causality' makes it any death automatically count as Heroic. This is the problem when Just and Heroic become metaphysical qualifiers. If someone like Doc Scratch or Lord English or even maybe Skaia were in charge of determining what constitutes a Just or Heroic death, then when something disagreeable like dying for causality is termed Heroic we can take issue with them. If it's the universe that says it, though, it can make we the readers uncomfortable with the implications. Hussie's aware of this. We saw Vriska's God-tier clock and that it was broken while pointing at Just. Vriska is a fairly complicated character and the same is true of her death, and painting what happened as black or white on a metaphysical level - that is, the universe itself judges her death Just - doesn't sound right. Breaking the clock, though, quietly leaves open the question of whether that was really the universe's judgement. All that in mind, then, I don't think we're going to be seeing much more of the beta timeline future Dave death stuff. I base that partly on what happened with Aradia, where before she went God-tier she was dying all over the place and afterward she was happy, and she wouldn't have been nearly as happy if she knew she still had some dying to do. Partly it's because they're past the Green Sun's creation, which was the big immovable object on causality's road that forced everything to conform to the Alpha Timeline. Partly it's because God-Tier represents the culmination of personal development, and Dave's problems with his beta selves were part of his developmental past (not that he's done developing, just done that phase). That's what I'd say, anyway.
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nerdbot posted:I think the difference is that this is sort of being played for absurdity. It isn't really comparable to Buckley's Paris Hilton murder strip because there, the joke is merely "PARIS HILTON'S A DUMB BITCH" because Buckley. Yeah, for the most part the celebrity jokes have been pretty light-hearted. The most mean have been Betty Crocker (a company) and maybe Nic Cage, which just sort of spiralled into something weird? The ICP and Betty Crocker stuff both started as a joke and got built up to. Guy Fieri though just sort of showed up and went straight to the absurd punchline with no set-up. The situation described is still totally absurd and 'out there' and of course I don't think Hussie is actually serious in any capacity or anything, it's just... hmmmm.
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Seperate post for separate thought-Dolash posted:This is the problem when Just and Heroic become metaphysical qualifiers. If someone like Doc Scratch or Lord English or even maybe Skaia were in charge of determining what constitutes a Just or Heroic death, then when something disagreeable like dying for causality is termed Heroic we can take issue with them. If it's the universe that says it, though, it can make we the readers uncomfortable with the implications. I think one of the big things about god-tier's conditional immortality is that it's basically Hussie directly assuring the reader that important characters will have important deaths- no joke deaths like Equius' or quick one panel ones like Feferi's. I don't think it's really a coincidence that the terms of God-tier revivals were outlined just after the Trollpocalypse and just before several of the more 'important' characters were entering into life threatening situations. So yeah, I doubt that Dave's really going to have a beta-Dave's show up because, like you said, he's progressed past that, but also because the beta-Dave's basically served the same function for him as god-tier did for John. Now they're not really needed anymore, and I'm reasonably sure that there probably won't be too many/any more fakeouts/revivals or anything like that, simply because now we're moving into the endgame.
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I only ask, because I could see, in the very late stages of the comic, Dave intentionally creating a bunch of doomed Daves for the final showdown, sorta the way Aradiabot did with the their Black King, except not nearly so automatically suicidal. Conquering his issues with the Dead Dave Pile and all that. True, in that scenario, all of them would die 'heroically', so it would be a non-issue, but it's where my thought process started. (Just finished watching someone read through Problem Sleuth and so I'm thinking about the end-game of Homestuck. I can't decide if a big showdown with Lord English is narratively okay, or too expected for it to actually go down.)
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 One of my friends just sent me this over AIM. He doesn't read Homestuck. Apparently this is a thing that exists in fashion now? How recent is this? What the gently caress is going on? Andrew Hussie is entirely to blame for this.
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Bobulus posted:(Just finished watching someone read through Problem Sleuth and so I'm thinking about the end-game of Homestuck. I can't decide if a big showdown with Lord English is narratively okay, or too expected for it to actually go down.) Sensing its impending end, Homestuck grows several more acts.
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gently caress it, Shut down the internet, nuke the world. It was good while it lasted.
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:gently caress it, Shut down the internet, nuke the world. It was good while it lasted.  Seems it's.. some kind of "fashion"?
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