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Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

I think I'm done with both of my maps. I fixed the name issue with Suicides and changed a lot of poo poo in Abattoir Blues. Like...a lot. Completely different map, now.

Some screens of Abattoir:

Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Apr 27, 2012

# ? Apr 27, 2012 03:06

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# ? May 14, 2024 22:11

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

QwertySanchez posted:

I noticed dog mode there, was that the quake lightning gun that set the player on fire when he fell in the water??

Yep! Gotta be careful with those.

Rather Dashing posted:

That left me with a genuine, unironic grin on my face. Where's the music from?

It's "Teenage Crimewave" by Bobby Trafalgar.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 03:43

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

SPACE HOMOS posted:

Any feedback would be nice or if you are a word guru you can pretty it up if you want.

Haha yes finally an excuse to use LaTeX. I'll try to whip up something for you in the next couple of days.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 03:53

Dukka: Apr 28, 2007; lock teams or bust

Speaking of which, hook me up with all the images if you can rgb and I'll make you somethnig pretty (or dumb).

# ? Apr 27, 2012 04:07

Sanzuo: May 7, 2007

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

Updated GOONWAD list:

Cream-of-Plenty - "Suicides" + "Abattoir Blues" (almost done fixing, will rehost)
Sanzuo - "Starship"
Encryptic - "Blood of the Earth"
an_mutt - "Aquatic Ruin"
SPACE HOMOS - "Waste" (needs to be fixed?)
Jimmy Boag
Chinese Tony Danza
John Carstairs - "TeleLab 01"
Reive
Dukka
Ayin

MAYBES:
Savage Messiah

I went ahead and uploaded a newer version with less flickery lights.

http://www.mediafire.com/?rq2qig5ylya314e

I'm also creating a part II but it's a lot more ambitious, so who knows when it'll be done.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 06:49

James Peach: Dec 30, 2008

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I think I'm done with both of my maps.

I like what you've done with Abattoir Blues a good bit. Played it vanilla and with Brutal Doom, and it's noticeably more difficult, in a good way. Still some things wrong with it:

1. One of the issues I mentioned from the first time I played AB is still there. This:

results in this:

2. When you enter the area with the altar, you have a wall come up to trap the players with the revenants. That's good. After you get the red skull key and take the teleporter, if you go back you'll find that the wall from the other side is see through, like this:

That's bad.

As for the level itself, I think the gameplay is solid, and the visuals are good aside from those glitches I mentioned. I think it would be nice if players could lower the wall I mentioned in (2) should they want to go back to the red skull key room for whatever reason, but that's just my opinion.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 07:13

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

CoarsestGrate posted:

I like what you've done with Abattoir Blues a good bit. Played it vanilla and with Brutal Doom, and it's noticeably more difficult, in a good way. Still some things wrong with it:

1. One of the issues I mentioned from the first time I played AB is still there. This:

results in this:

I totally see what happened with problem #2, but I still cannot replicate problem #1. Nothing shows up in either Doom Builder or Skulltag, and it's really mystifying. I wonder if anybody else is getting the same issue.

This is what I get when I play the map in that area:

Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Apr 27, 2012

# ? Apr 27, 2012 07:16

Sanzuo: May 7, 2007

I can't get past the cathedral full of revenants.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 07:40

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

Sanzuo posted:

I can't get past the cathedral full of revenants.

GOOD! My goal was to make this too difficult for you, Sanzuo. You were the only one who didn't say the original was too easy. :c00lbert:

Make sure you're picking up the chaingun in the Mancubus chamber and the DB shotgun in the secret. At that point, you should have enough firepower to level 4 or 5 revenants.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 07:42

James Peach: Dec 30, 2008

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I totally see what happened with problem #2, but I still cannot replicate problem #1. Nothing shows up in either Doom Builder or Skulltag, and it's really mystifying. I wonder if anybody else is getting the same issue.

This is what I get when I play the map in that area:

I took a closer look. Played the wad in PrBoom and regular ZDoom and the problem isn't there. It seems to be something with GZdoom that's causing the issue. No clue what it could be, though.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 07:43

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Here's a weird little something - SplitWolf!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPgvTvxrFM0
It's a four-player splitscreen co-op mod for Wolfenstein 3D... for some reason.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 08:47

Star Man: Jun 1, 2008; There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

So, I'm going to need a few bad enough dudes who would like to consider doing some multiplayer videos for my Descent II LP. I figure that this is the outside thread to recruit in.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 09:44

glam bam rock: Jun 2, 2009; aaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww
WHAM BAM THANK YA GLAM

For you folks that love GZDoom, Spawn is a great gem that got lost in the shuffle following the Cacowards and DTWID's release. It's got five maps (well, one boss) and kind of feels like Doom II meets Quake II meets Doom 3. It's pretty much all techbase, but the lighting is great and while the first three maps have some irritating hub-running, his HUD tells you exactly what you have to do and the automap will show you where you have to go to do it. Also, there's some kind of an achievements system. I doubt you can do everything in one run, but it's cool that the designer included them.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 12:37

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

Going to try "recovering from IV sedation mapping" right now! :v:

# ? Apr 27, 2012 15:31

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

SavageMessiah posted:

Going to try "recovering from IV sedation mapping" right now!

I was gonna make a joke about potmapping, but The Sky May Be was released years ago.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 16:44

Dominic White: Nov 1, 2005

The Kins posted:

I was gonna make a joke about potmapping, but The Sky May Be was released years ago.

I still say that Doug's own scholarly dissection of his own masterpiece is one of the best Doom-related videos ever made.

# ? Apr 27, 2012 16:52

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

Star Man posted:

So, I'm going to need a few bad enough dudes who would like to consider doing some multiplayer videos for my Descent II LP. I figure that this is the outside thread to recruit in.

I'm tentatively down. I've never used DXX-Rebirth, but as long as it's not too different from D2X-XL there shouldn't be a problem. Is this going to be co-op, deathmatch, or something else entirely?

# ? Apr 27, 2012 17:06

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Heads-up: If for some reason you don't trust or like GOG, it looks like the Thief games are heading to Steam.

# ? Apr 28, 2012 10:43

Guillermus: Dec 28, 2009

Main problem is that Steam usually doesn't care if the games don't run well on modern systems. The most Steam does is put dosbox if needed (doom 1/2).

# ? Apr 28, 2012 11:51

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

Guillermus posted:

Main problem is that Steam usually doesn't care if the games don't run well on modern systems. The most Steam does is put dosbox if needed (doom 1/2).

id Software is the one to blame for that. Not Steam/Valve. It's kind of stupid because they released a fairly good (albeit barebones) Windows source port for use with the Doom Collector's Edition a few years back.

Not that I really cared. I just ripped the WADs from the CDs and shelved them forever :v:

# ? Apr 28, 2012 16:06

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

The point is more that Steam/Valve doesn't care whether the game runs well on modern systems, so it's up to the developer/publisher to take care of that, and sometimes they just cannot be arsed. GOG is a better bet because they - at least in principle - handle patching the game for newer systems themselves, ensuring that everything works even if the publisher gives no shits.

This doesn't always work out well (Interstate '76) but they've got a pretty good success rate.

On the other hand, if you're ok with applying the multicore patch and whatnot yourself, the Steam version will probably be cheaper at some point.

E: of course, it's also possible that Valve is trolling us; they like to sprinkle the CDR with games that they have no intention of putting on Steam just to keep people guessing.

# ? Apr 28, 2012 16:31

Guillermus: Dec 28, 2009

Mak0rz posted:

id Software is the one to blame for that. Not Steam/Valve. It's kind of stupid because they released a fairly good (albeit barebones) Windows source port for use with the Doom Collector's Edition a few years back.

Not that I really cared. I just ripped the WADs from the CDs and shelved them forever

Yeah I own the Doom Trilogy (is what it was called in Spain) wich was Doom95 and Doom II 95. Both ran really nice and multiplayer was really easy to jump in.

(My own hosting)

# ? Apr 28, 2012 16:44

Convex: Aug 19, 2010

Mak0rz posted:

id Software is the one to blame for that. Not Steam/Valve. It's kind of stupid because they released a fairly good (albeit barebones) Windows source port for use with the Doom Collector's Edition a few years back.

Not that I really cared. I just ripped the WADs from the CDs and shelved them forever

Doom95 did have a fair few issues, including mouse support problems and a weird bug where all the sound effects were at the wrong pitch. I think they were right to include the DOS versions for the purists, and everyone else can just use a source port.

# ? Apr 28, 2012 16:46

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

Convex posted:

Doom95 did have a fair few issues, including mouse support problems and a weird bug where all the sound effects were at the wrong pitch. I think they were right to include the DOS versions for the purists, and everyone else can just use a source port.

Yeah, win9x ports of DOS games never seem to hold up well when you try to get them running on a modern machine. (See also Wing Commander: The Kilrathi Saga, which included win9x versions of the first two games that don't actually work very well on XP/7, and a DOS version of the third that works flawlessly in dosbox). Going with the original DOS release is definitely the best move, unless there's significant improvements in the win9x version.

# ? Apr 28, 2012 18:02

Cream-of-Plenty: Apr 21, 2010; "The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

So, uh...Kins. When were you planning on telling us that Reelism was out? :colbert:

# ? Apr 30, 2012 22:38

Catalyst-proof: May 11, 2011; better waste some time with you

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

So, uh...Kins. When were you planning on telling us that Reelism was out?

Welp, I know what I'm doing tonight.

# ? Apr 30, 2012 23:02

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Cream-of-Plenty posted:

So, uh...Kins. When were you planning on telling us that Reelism was out?

Right now! Sorry, it was late. There's apparently still a bug or two and people are finding it a lot harder, but it's all good.

# ? Apr 30, 2012 23:17

QwertySanchez: Jun 19, 2009; a wacky guy

First round, I get ROTT's dogmode and nothin' but Wolfenstein guard dog enemies. :smugdog:

# ? Apr 30, 2012 23:25

catlord: Mar 22, 2009; What's on your mind, Axa?

That was amazing. Those dogs though... maybe a bit too fast? My very first round I got Reelism 64 and laughed the entire round. I don't even remember what the enemies were or the weapons, just the fog.

# ? May 1, 2012 00:57

JLaw: Feb 10, 2008; - harmless -

I just finished playing through "Doom the Way Id Did": http://dtwid.herokuapp.com/

And I had a good time with it

so this is just a reminder that it is a fine level pack. It completely succeeds at being a polished presentation of classic Doom gameplay, true to its roots but with the rough spots filed off. My only complaint would be a level or two that had a bit too much forced slime-trekking, but that's a nitpick of a hugely enjoyable production.

Following along in the "classic but improved" spirit, the setup I used was:

- GZDoom with a texture filter mode of "none (linear mipmap)" -- but I'm not against playing in widescreen with mouselook support.

- Per Kristian's remastered Doom sound effects and weapon animations.

- Sycraft's recordings of the Doom music tracks.

Good times. I do enjoy it when the aftermarket work on a game comes up with new gameplay mechanisms or themes, but I also appreciate it when folks concentrate on dialing in the best essence of the original game.

BTW this is in no way any sort of sneaky commentary on Reelism; it's purely coincidence that I happened to finish DTWID now and had the urge to post about Doom "essence".

With that session behind me it's probably a great time to check out something like Reelism.

JLaw fucked around with this message at 08:42 on May 1, 2012

# ? May 1, 2012 08:37

Jasta: Apr 13, 2012

The Kins posted:

Right now! Sorry, it was late. There's apparently still a bug or two and people are finding it a lot harder, but it's all good.

I only just watched the Reelism trailer. It looks like a lot of fun! I will try it out tomorrow if I have time. How long did it take you to make it?

# ? May 1, 2012 09:54

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

Johnny Law posted:

I just finished playing through "Doom the Way Id Did": http://dtwid.herokuapp.com/

In this vein, I've finally started playing through Wonderful Doom and it's pretty good. If you want more id-like levels, give it a shot.

# ? May 1, 2012 16:15

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

The Kins posted:

Right now! Sorry, it was late. There's apparently still a bug or two and people are finding it a lot harder, but it's all good.

I can't start Reelism at all (GZDoom 1.5.2, ZDLSharp 3.0.5.3). It gets as far as LoadActors and then fails with this message:

code:
Script error, "reelism-x1.pk7:splot.wad:DW-NRG" line 150: Unknown identifier 'RGF_FULLBRIGHT' Script error, "reelism-x1.pk7:splot.wad:DW-NRG" line 240: Unknown identifier 'RGF_FULLBRIGHT'
Plain Doom 2 works fine, as do Brutal Doom and AoD.

E: turns out I was running the latest official release, not the latest SVN build.

E2: It would be nice if the text showing what you rolled stayed on screen longer

E3: Round 1: dog vs. bronies. Round 2: MY TANK IS FIGHT wait what did it say about friction OH GOD NO NOT THE BOTTOMLESS PIT

ToxicFrog fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 1, 2012

# ? May 1, 2012 22:33

James Peach: Dec 30, 2008

I got the jackpot.

Why did I get the jackpot?

Anyway, beat it once, got to the boss 3 times. Very fun game, that Reelism.

# ? May 2, 2012 02:57

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

CoarsestGrate posted:

I got the jackpot.

Why did I get the jackpot?

Anyway, beat it once, got to the boss 3 times. Very fun game, that Reelism.

See the little numbers on each reel icon? You get jackpots by matching three numbers (4-4-4, 6-6-6 etc.) or by getting special number combinations (9-1-1, 4-5-1 etc.). What one did you get, out of interest?

# ? May 2, 2012 05:21

ChickenHeart: Nov 28, 2007; Take me at your own risk.; Kiss From a Hog

After finally trudging through the last few levels of Brutal "Community Chest 2" with Irish and a few other goons, I can safely say "gently caress lost souls." dropping into a huge room with five pain elementals constantly spewing those flaming skulls to the point where you can't even shoot at them without hitting a lost soul instead and jesus they move so fast where did my health go oh god they're spawn camping me.

Also, to whoever made those last few levels: I don't mind keyhunts. jumping puzzles? Sure. Switch puzzles and races? Why not! Crusher mazes? Okay with me! But all of the above, packed into a gigantic, sprawling map filled with well over 800 monsters? I've never wanted to punch a mapper so hard before that trainwreck of a level.

# ? May 2, 2012 06:35

treat: Jul 24, 2008; by the sex ghost

ChickenHeart posted:

After finally trudging through the last few levels of Brutal "Community Chest 2" with Irish and a few other goons, I can safely say "gently caress lost souls." dropping into a huge room with five pain elementals constantly spewing those flaming skulls to the point where you can't even shoot at them without hitting a lost soul instead and jesus they move so fast where did my health go oh god they're spawn camping me.

Also, to whoever made those last few levels: I don't mind keyhunts. jumping puzzles? Sure. Switch puzzles and races? Why not! Crusher mazes? Okay with me! But all of the above, packed into a gigantic, sprawling map filled with well over 800 monsters? I've never wanted to punch a mapper so hard before that trainwreck of a level.

This taught me that the "gently caress Yourself" line is not meaningful by voice acting or implementation, but by context. After the fourth instant cyberdemon respawn, all the loving-of-selves went straight to irish for setting the server on nightmare.

# ? May 2, 2012 06:56

Irish Taxi Driver: Sep 12, 2004; We're just gonna open our tool palette and... get some entities... how about some nice happy trees? We'll put them near this barn. Give that cow some shade... There.

I didn't think it was going to be that awful. Treat you and Eatpants weren't there for the archvile hell that was somewhere in the early 20s.

Though the best was Chickenheart getting trapped in that Mancubus tomb in another early 20s map and dying for 5 minutes straight while I cleared the level up to him.

Also gently caress that last level. It was unplayable.

ChickenHeart posted:

I don't mind keyhunts.

SO WHEN'RE WE GONNA FINISH HEXEN?

EDIT: And no matter the horrifying circumstances we were in for the last few levels, pokewad with brutal doom makes everything better.

Irish Taxi Driver fucked around with this message at 07:17 on May 2, 2012

# ? May 2, 2012 07:12

Yodzilla: Apr 29, 2005; Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch

gently caress Hexen. Throw that poo poo in the trash.

# ? May 2, 2012 13:15

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# ? May 14, 2024 22:11

SolidSnakesBandana: Jul 1, 2007; Infinite ammo

I dicked around with Hexen 64 quite a bit. It didn't get a sweet-rear end upgrade like Doom 64 did, it was just plain ol' Hexen. There was co-op though! Unfortunately the game was bad enough that I couldn't convince anyone to play it with me.

# ? May 2, 2012 13:20

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