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DontMockMySmock posted:I just rewatched Cascade, and something occurred to me. On this page it appears that Gamzee is being referred to as the Most Important Character in Homestuck, which doesn't really seem to jibe with Gamzee's role since then. But in Cascade, you can see that moment again from a different perspective, and Lil' Cal is on Gamzee's lap. Is Lil' Cal the most important character in Homestuck? There's no real verdict on this yet. Both Cal and Gamzee are necessary for stable time loops that have caused things to develop as they have though, and given Gamzee's latest appearance, just who the gently caress knows what he might yet do.
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YF-23 posted:There's no real verdict on this yet. Both Cal and Gamzee are necessary for stable time loops that have caused things to develop as they have though, and given Gamzee's latest appearance, just who the gently caress knows what he might yet do. Might give you wicked elixirs, might beat you to death with a juggling club.
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Apr 29, 2012 09:02
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Midnight Raider posted:Long ago, when it was only a few hints being strewn about, I really was hoping the Troll Empress was being prepped for a villainess role. These days it's much more certain, and now days it looks like she may be bringing the power in spades. (Pun not intended.) The Condesce with a full set of psychic abilities is a different matter. Who knows what, say, a mind-controlled Jade could do  .
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Apr 29, 2012 10:01
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Cleretic posted:-Doc Scratch was working for Lord English quote:-Bec was very much accomplice to making the session unwinnable quote:-And GCat stopped Jane's prototyping and apparently got mind-controlled by the Condesce. From what we've seen, GCat stopping Jane's prototyping is actually just something he did because he's a dick, though he has been mind-controlled by the Condesce in the past. That said, their session is Void from the get-go. It's theorized that this is actually necessary, since Jade is bringing the fully-mature Skaia from their Null session. Also, if I understand correctly, this allowed CD? to destroy the Alpha kids' Skaia, which leaves a nice empty space for Jade's. Or in other words, what GCat did might have allowed for the session to be "fixed," in a sense. We don't know yet. In short, your examples may actually be better examples of the session being hosed by outside influence rather than First Guardians being inherent evils.
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Apr 29, 2012 10:22
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Apr 29, 2012 11:09
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...oh hey Pyralspite. How, uh, how you doin'? Seriously why does Condy have Pyralspite with her?
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Apr 29, 2012 11:11
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Seoinin posted:Seriously why does Condy have Pyralspite with her? We've seen a dragon flying around Jake's island, presumably she brought it along with the other lusi?
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Apr 29, 2012 11:19
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Seoinin posted:...oh hey Pyralspite. How, uh, how you doin'? We saw it flying over Hellmurder Island a while back didn't we?
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Apr 29, 2012 11:19
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Yeah I guess it could be a generic dragon, huh. Though it would be funny if Pyralspite kept getting passed from owner to owner like a thrift store suit.
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Apr 29, 2012 11:23
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King of Solomon posted:In short, your examples may actually be better examples of the session being hosed by outside influence rather than First Guardians being inherent evils. Perhaps, but I'm thinking their clear involvement in all of it is something. Like was mentioned before, First Guardians are intended to 'facilitate the planet's ultimate purpose', so if the session is destined to be in some way hosed, the First Guardian is instrumental to it finally ticking over into becoming hosed. Doc Scratch is obvious; B1 was destined to fail, so Bec's actions assured that that's both incontrovertible and making the Scratch absolutely necessary; and GCat is clearly responsible at least for Jane's failure to prototype, failure of prototyping being the key factor in a void session.
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Apr 29, 2012 11:35
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Cleretic posted:Perhaps, but I'm thinking their clear involvement in all of it is something. Like was mentioned before, First Guardians are intended to 'facilitate the planet's ultimate purpose', so if the session is destined to be in some way hosed, the First Guardian is instrumental to it finally ticking over into becoming hosed. Doc Scratch is obvious; B1 was destined to fail, so Bec's actions assured that that's both incontrovertible and making the Scratch absolutely necessary; and GCat is clearly responsible at least for Jane's failure to prototype, failure of prototyping being the key factor in a void session. I actually agree, put this way. It's really important to keep in mind what the session is to become, though I don't think that Bec has much to do with the Beta Kids' session being Null. Also worth mentioning: Doc Scratch actually had two major purposes. Doc Scratch was, of course, Lord English's servant, and worked to facilitate his entrance into the universe. Additionally, and this is key, I think: Doc Scratch was to develop the race into one that would succeed, and he did that very well. The trolls killed the Black King and created their universe. As far as that part of the game went, they did it with ease. However, the alpha timeline called for things to get weird, so they couldn't quite enter that universe.
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King of Solomon posted:Bec was prototyped because John, who was doing the prototyping, fell asleep due to outside influence, leaving very little choice in the matter. In addition, Jack only got access to the ring because of Jade's gift to John, the bunny Liv Tyler. This only existed because of, again, outside influence (ie. Jake.) Bec wasn't really prototyped because of outside influence, though. From the perspective of a "continuous" timeline, Bec had to be prototyped because Bec Noir already existed prior to Bec's prototyping. There was already an element of predestination to his prototyping. Same thing with the bunny. Jack had to get the ring because he had already had the ring in the "past". Unless you mean the outside influence is the weird "destiny" that seems to make up the concept of an alpha timeline/universe.
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Apr 29, 2012 12:33
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Sorry it's like 2 pages back, but who the gently caress thought that Ed Grimley wasn't doing it hard enough?
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Apr 29, 2012 15:24
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Just realised something on dirk's history lesson. Dave and rose both died... "What sort of story would this be, with our Knight and Seer made to stay cadavers? Certainly not one the alpha timeline would allow."
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Apr 29, 2012 16:08
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Eh, I think he already used that callback when Rose and Dave died and had to be dreamself-revived. I don't think it'll come back here. The fact that he's actually showing their corpses (even if Dirk's narration implies uncertainty) says to me they're stone dead. It's a real pity since I was looking forward to some post-scratch Dave and Rose shenanigans in the medium.
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Rooreelooo posted:Just realised something on dirk's history lesson. Dave and rose both died... Unfortunately I think that was referring specifically to Karkat and Terezi. ...Unless of course Jake is talking to a beta-Dirk right now, who came from a timeline where Dave and Rose died and weren't supposed to!
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Constable Lemon posted:Unfortunately I think that was referring specifically to Karkat and Terezi. Nope, that line came up with B1 Rose and Dave when they were revived as their dreamselves.
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Found another liveblog. http://treestuck.tumblr.com/ Some notes on this one: - She really disliked Act 1 and it took her like a year to get through it, but her friends kept prodding her, and when she got to Act 3 or so (like, last week), she dove right and and is now chewing through Act 5.1. - She tags every post differently, so you can't really do a chrono readthrough, unfortunately. - She can, apparently, actually draw ( http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m34ioaZQWZ1r5dqh9o1_1280.png ), so it should be interesting to see what she does when she finishes reading.
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What memoryDirk is saying is actually, factually true. People you know intimately, who are within the fold of your social group and who's existence you care about are mirrored to an extent in your head. It's just like how you build internal models of how things work in your head, like the interactions of cold and hot gasses, so you can predict what will happen in the future in novel circumstances. The models we make of people are of course quite complicated, and we only have the processing power to manage so many people. That's why, when people die, it takes so long to really come to grips with the fact that they're gone, because they still live in your head. And of course there is the fact that people ignore huge amounts of information everyday, for a variety of reasons. But ignoring something doesn't mean it hasn't registered with you in some way, which was touched upon with all the unseen wall writings people did, though that's an extreme idea. I love neuroscience so much.
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Update. So this Dirk is in fact just a part of Jake subconscious. Also Pages have all kinds of untapped potential.
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Apr 29, 2012 21:06
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I'd like to think this update implies that Tavros will eventually do something ridiculous.
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Apr 29, 2012 21:19
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Also Pages have all kinds of untapped potential. This should come to no surprise. When Aradia talked to our boy skylark about the powers of his class not opening up until later, there's little reason that his class in SGRUB would be much different.
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We last saw those blue vine thingies with Aranea and Terezi going to the Pink Moon. ...is that just symbolic of it being a dream bubble, or does it mean someone's going to stop by, now that he knows it's a dream?
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Bobulus posted:We last saw those blue vine thingies with Aranea and Terezi going to the Pink Moon. Holy poo poo, I thought it was pretty weird that the blue branch was in the shot but then I read this, went back and looked and it's not there near the beginning. 
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The blue vines are specifically the branches of Terezi's hive, so it looks like he is in the same dreambubble, albeit isolated.
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Yeah, it's replacing the pumpkin vines that are Dirk's room in the present, but apparently were not there at the point in time when he had this conversation with Dirk. So I can't tell if it's suddenly there because he's realized it's a dream and his room view is switching to a more 'present' one, only with dream vines instead of pumpkin vines, or if if those symbolic of Aranea. edit: Were they Terezi's thing? I guess I didn't realize that. Assuming this is the same timeframe as Terezi and Aranea going off to talk to Meena, I guess that would mean Jake could bump into the rest of the Asteroid Crew? Bobulus fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Apr 29, 2012 |
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Color Printer posted:Holy poo poo, I thought it was pretty weird that the blue branch was in the shot but then I read this, went back and looked and it's not there near the beginning. We are already used to weird stuff growing up out of the staircase into the room, so I saw it and did not even give it a second thought. But the something about the room seemed off still. The colours are wrong, ohhhhh, Terezi's tree. It is also interesting how all the dream bubbles we have see so far a connected. Roxy trapped in the void -> John and Meenah and dream Roxy -> Dave and Karkat Statler and Waldorf-ing John. Terezi and Aranea in Terezi's tree -> Terezi's tree encroaching on Jake's room. Will they all eventually meet? Or will they keep barely skirting past each other?
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Yeah, is the order: > Asteroid approaches Dream-Bubble > Terezi has dream about her treehouse, meets Aranea > Follows her to meet Meena on the Pink Moon, rest of Asteroid crew dragged along > Arrives just as Dream-John departs or are these all just unconnected events that are linked by dream motifs?
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Saradiart posted:Bec wasn't really prototyped because of outside influence, though. From the perspective of a "continuous" timeline, Bec had to be prototyped because Bec Noir already existed prior to Bec's prototyping. There was already an element of predestination to his prototyping. Same thing with the bunny. Jack had to get the ring because he had already had the ring in the "past". Nah, the outside influence I'm talking about is Vriska, actually. John was going to prototype the kernelsprite before Vriska knocked him out, remember. Him being knocked out essentially forced Bec's hand, and thus we get Becsprite.
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Question: Which Vriska got fused into Tavriskasprite? If it was Alpha Vriska, wasn't she with Beta-John or something? The answer is probably just shenanigans, but if she had been hanging out with Beta-John this whole time I would have thought she'd make a comment it or something.
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Wrist Watch posted:Question: Well it has been a few years. Surely they can have some alone time, even if they have been hanging out a lot.
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King of Solomon posted:Nah, the outside influence I'm talking about is Vriska, actually. John was going to prototype the kernelsprite before Vriska knocked him out, remember. Him being knocked out essentially forced Bec's hand, and thus we get Becsprite. If anything forced Bec's hand, it was the giant meteor falling down. Keep in mind the kernelsprite was already floating towards the pile of dead things in Jade's house, so it was definitely going to prototype with SOMETHING regardless of Vriska's influence. And Bec needed the Sprite powers to create the giant laser anyway(evidently the meteor was too large to just teleport, but a giant sprite-powered laser would work), so he was going to prototype with it regardless. In fact, it's really hard to blame Vriska for that part, because had she not interfered, Bec would have joined it anyway, it's just that we would have gotten Bec with blue hair and it wouldn't have been able to prototype with Jadesprite later. (Which, in hindsight, makes that gesture on her part about as laughable as Tavros's with Bec and the gun, since in both cases they were 'influencing' Bec to do something he was going to do anyway, and just took credit for it like a couple of goobers.)
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Wrist Watch posted:Question: Gamzee used alpha Vriska's corpse, so that's presumably alpha Vriska.
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Nate RFB posted:I'd like to think this update implies that Tavros will eventually do something ridiculous. He will show up at the end of Act 6 to do the Windiest Thing. I know Jake is kind of slow on the uptake, it's pretty sad when your mental projections of other people are more clued in than you are. Kind of interesting that Jake somehow already knows about dream bubbles on a subconscious level though, even given his class.
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hackbunny posted:There's a disturbing lack of Olive Garden in this doomsday scenario and Snoop Dog. I hope he's okay 
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Thundarr posted:He will show up at the end of Act 6 to do the Windiest Thing. I'm honestly unsure if this is really just part of his imagination since he not only knew that but also that Dirk was Heart. I'm kinda betting on someone impersonating Dirk due to that and the blue vines.
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^^^ I thought it might be a Heart thing too, though it'd seem out of character for Dirk to insist he is just a figment of Jake's imagination after going through the whole full disclosure thing. An impersonation is possible, but who? SoupyTwist posted:and Snoop Dog. I hope he's okay He died bravely with the rest of the rebels.  
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Oh god. I can't breathe. Dirk is the best even when he's not really Dirk.  Also hey Aranea.
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I was sure that wasn't going to be just Jake's imagination since it seemed to know things he didn't - I don't mean character appraisals of Dirk, I mean facts about him being a Page and stuff. Oh wait another update let's see what this says.
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That is an amazing update.Color Printer posted:Oh god. I can't breathe. Dirk is the best even when he's not really Dirk. Dirk refers to Jack at the end of the pesterlog.. .......Is he REALLY not Dirk? Dun dun dun. He may actually be pulling a Jane here, in fact, in terms of romantically shooting himself in the foot. Edit: ...Or not, depending on just how Aranea takes that, anyway. So in the end I have no idea just who Dirk may be sabotaging here, if anyone. Damned irony! 
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