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I was going to say that it's the most transparent ripoff ever of a Fiat Multipla, but it seems they're building them under license. Good for them, it's a great and ridiculously practical car.
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KozmoNaut posted:I was going to say that it's the most transparent ripoff ever of a Fiat Multipla, but it seems they're building them under license. Ah, that's what it is. I only remember the funny looking face of the first series Multipla.
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I just learned something. My first car was a 1994 Nissan Sentra, and I can still buy that exact car brand-new in Mexico as the Nissan Tsuru. Looks like the same 1.6L engine, the same interior, everything. I want one.
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I think it has some Renault engine/transmission in place of the old GA16 (which is comparatively expensive to produce)
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dissss posted:I think it has some Renault engine/transmission in place of the old GA16 (which is comparatively expensive to produce) aw, I saw 1.6L and assumed the best. They don't have OBD requirements in Mexico, do they?
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CornHolio posted:They don't have OBD requirements in Mexico, do they? Considering it's a new car for $10k, I'm thinking there can't be any requirements at all.
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According to wikipedia it's a Renault transmission. Also the American market export Sentras back then had independent rear suspension. The Mexican Tsuru uses a torsion beam for cost.
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Throatwarbler posted:According to wikipedia it's a Renault transmission. Also the American market export Sentras back then had independent rear suspension. The Mexican Tsuru uses a torsion beam for cost.
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Motronic posted:Considering it's a new car for $10k, I'm thinking there can't be any requirements at all. The Nissan Versa starts at under $11k brand new in the US and meets all safety and emissions requirements.
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Buick had a pretty big display. Buick Intelligent Performance.         Buick Excelle XT "performance". This one had really sporty seats, Imshrer pedals and badges and a pretty aggressive body kit. Engine is the old Opel "LLU" 1.6l turbo.   Regal GS. I don't remember the GS having the funky duck tail spoiler or the sporty seats.     Buick Park Avenue with attractive brown leather interior. The dash and whatnot are fairly ho-hum plastics but the leather seating surfaces and door panels were as supple as my butt. The leather supplier is Bader, who supplies most of the German luxury marques and the standard Buick stuff is apparently the same "premium leather" that you get as options on M and AMG cars. It was much better than the stuff in the (more expensive) Cadillac. If I had one I'd drive around naked all the time. 
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Apr 28, 2012 03:39
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PBCrunch posted:The Nissan Versa starts at under $11k brand new in the US and meets all safety and emissions requirements. I totally did not believe you and had to look that up myself to be sure. OK, I'll just sit in the corner for a bit.
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Motronic posted:I totally did not believe you and had to look that up myself to be sure.
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Motronic posted:I totally did not believe you and had to look that up myself to be sure. I think your problem is that you think "US emissions and safety requirements" is some kind of requirement for cars to be good or safe or something, instead of just a bureaucratic non-tariff barrier to protect the domestic car companies. 
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That's still one hell of a lot better than a 1991 Sentra
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dissss posted:That's still one hell of a lot better than a 1991 Sentra Well the 1991 Sentra had IRS.  Insideline has driven the Dodge Dart and it looks good. http://www.insideline.com/dodge/dart/2013/2013-dodge-dart-rallye-first-drive.html
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Throatwarbler posted:Well the 1991 Sentra had IRS. MotorTrend was pretty content with it this month as well.
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The one with the 500 Abarth engine with a 6 speed manual sounds like the one to have. It beats out the 1.4l turbo Cruze in all metrics and has a trailing arm IRS similar to the MINI instead of the Cruze's twist beam.
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Throatwarbler posted:The one with the 500 Abarth engine with a 6 speed manual sounds like the one to have. It beats out the 1.4l turbo Cruze in all metrics and has a trailing arm IRS similar to the MINI instead of the Cruze's twist beam. I thought the turbo Cruze had IRS (possibly market dependent)
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Throatwarbler posted:I think your problem is that you think "US emissions and safety requirements" is some kind of requirement for cars to be good or safe or something, instead of just a bureaucratic non-tariff barrier to protect the domestic car companies. I've wondered about this. Are the U.S. safety and emission requirements a trade barrier? Whose interests does it protect? What would harmonization of standards do? Wouldn't the U.S. manufacturers want harmonization too, now that they sell lots of cars everywhere? Or, maybe it just makes the cost too high for small time players to enter.
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dissss posted:I thought the turbo Cruze had IRS (possibly market dependent) Watt's linkage. When it came out the Asian/Aus/Euro models didn't have it. The US model has it across the board and I think Aus does too, now. quote:I've wondered about this. Are the U.S. safety and emission requirements a trade barrier? Whose interests does it protect? What would harmonization of standards do? Wouldn't the U.S. manufacturers want harmonization too, now that they sell lots of cars everywhere? Or, maybe it just makes the cost too high for small time players to enter. The last bit. It deters new entrants into the market and favours incumbents. More Beijing auto show.  Some Chevy concept.  Roewe 750  Roewe hybrid   Now here is an interesting vehicle. It is called a GAC Changfeng Liebao, and it's a licensed version of a mid 1990s Mitsubishi Pajero. Looks pretty sharp. They are quite popular with the local military and are often seen with military plates.  Live axle and leaf springs   Mitsubishi 4G64 engine.    Interior, transfer case selector. The 1990s were the best time for Japanese cars.  Some version of an MB B-class that MB has provided to their JV partner Beijing Auto.    Beijing Auto concept.    Guangzhou Auto trumpchi, this is based on the old Alfa 164. jeremy Clarkson test drove it on TG. On to FAW       My mother was particularly interested in this Foton truck. It's apparently a licensed 1st gen Toyota Hilux frame, running gear and transmission with a Cummins 2.8l diesel Inline 4, built in China as a joint venture with Cummins.
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Throatwarbler posted:My mother was particularly interested in this Foton truck. It's apparently a licensed 1st gen Toyota Hilux frame, running gear and transmission with a Cummins 2.8l diesel Inline 4, built in China as a joint venture with Cummins. The Chinese get the best trucks  .
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Sounds like a good basis for a work truck, but if it's mk1 Hilux, doesn't that mean leaf-sprung live axles are the order of the day? Might be a shock for people who've driven anything built in the last couple of decades. If it's cheap, though, and can maintain at some of the Hilux's clean-up-after-the-apocalypse reputation, it could do well with people who want a proper work vehicle.
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InitialDave posted:Sounds like a good basis for a work truck, but if it's mk1 Hilux, doesn't that mean leaf-sprung live axles are the order of the day? Might be a shock for people who've driven anything built in the last couple of decades. Once the assuredly-cheaply made body panels all rot off, I hope you can't tell the difference between this and a 30 year old Hilux, ignoring the engine. That would be just great.
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InitialDave posted:Sounds like a good basis for a work truck, but if it's mk1 Hilux, doesn't that mean leaf-sprung live axles are the order of the day? Might be a shock for people who've driven anything built in the last couple of decades. Unless its another Hilux  Actually I think most vehicles in the Hilux class are still leaf sprung E. Yeah I guess at least the front has moved on dissss fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Apr 28, 2012 |
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At the rear it's fine, it's the front I was wondering about.
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The first Hilux have leaf springs in the front? I didn't know that was a thing for non-huge trucks. Anyway this thing has the usual double wishbones in front. Transmissions are an Aisin 5 speed for the RWD and a Getrag 5 speed for the 4x4, which also has more power.
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Throatwarbler posted:The first Hilux have leaf springs in the front? I didn't know that was a thing for non-huge trucks. Anyway this thing has the usual double wishbones in front. Transmissions are an Aisin 5 speed for the RWD and a Getrag 5 speed for the 4x4, which also has more power. Yeah through to ~1998 on the pickup.  I'll bet the Chinese one is based off the sixth (previous) generation Hilux which had switched to IFS
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InitialDave posted:Sounds like a good basis for a work truck, but if it's mk1 Hilux, doesn't that mean leaf-sprung live axles are the order of the day? Might be a shock for people who've driven anything built in the last couple of decades. Even with those in the front, it shouldn't stand out as awful to ride in the current Chinese market.
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Hah, that Buick Park Avenue is just a current gen Impala with a fancy interior.
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rscott posted:Hah, that Buick Park Avenue is just a current gen Impala with a fancy interior. It's on the Zeta platform, same as the Commodore and Caprice.
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rscott posted:Hah, that Buick Park Avenue is just a current gen Impala with a fancy interior. Yeah, no its not.
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kimbo305 posted:It's on the Zeta platform, same as the Commodore and Caprice. Fooled me. Tail lights look almost exactly the same along with the dash and a lot of the interior.
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kimbo305 posted:It's on the Zeta platform, same as the Commodore and Caprice. I thought it was a LWB Zeta, which would make it a Statesman. Not certain on this, though. Australian cars are like the marsupials of the automotive world.
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rscott posted:Fooled me. Tail lights look almost exactly the same along with the dash and a lot of the interior. I'm beginning to suspect that general motors is only willing to put forth the minimum level of effort required to survive as a car company.
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rscott posted:Fooled me. Tail lights look almost exactly the same along with the dash and a lot of the interior.  The interior isn't world-beating or anything but it's not an Impala interior. This one is significantly larger, for one. In fact it shares no real similarities to the Impala at all. Compare: 2010 Impala  Totally different in size, overall design, materials, trimming, vent placement, center stack, IP, controls, etc.    Tails are similar in that they're big corner blocks of red. They're also similar to the tails on the Crown Victoria or the old Ford Five Hundred or any other large, boring sedan. Again, not amazing, but considering it was originally designed to be sold as a Holden/Chevy and is meant to have boring styling, it looks normal to me. Seriously, the Park Avenue design dates back to 2007 and is basically just a rebadged Holden Statesman, which is just like an Impala except for not sharing any parts, being several inches larger in every dimension, and also being RWD. Which is a huge difference. The styling is way different except for the general similarities of being conservatively styled and mostly boring. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 30, 2012 |
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The Holden Statesman and Caprice are just different trim levels of the same car. I don't think they sell the Statesman trim anymore though.
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Cream_Filling posted:
Well now that I've been appropriately schooled on Zeta platform cars, I won't make that mistake again. Thanks! (not being a dick or anything)
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