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Not sure I really learnt anything I didn't already know, but I found this an interesting diversion while I caught up on the washing up: SeriousCompact.com 2hr podcast on the X-Pro1 (with a little bit of the OM-D) http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f97/serious-compacts-podcast-5-fuji-x-pro-1-a-8868/
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Bob Socko posted:One nice upgrade for the NEX-F3 over the C3 - looks like it will support the optical viewfinder accessory. Nice to see Sony make that change, it seemed like a needless feature to strip out - don't you want as many customers as possible to buy accessories? You mean the EVF, yeah? Or does Sony make an optical viewfinder?
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OK, so I've been sitting here thinking about what lens to buy next for the camera, and am leaning towards one of the really wide lenses. Like the 14/2.5. When I had my Nikon D70S, I had an 18-55, a 50/1.4 and an 18-200 VR. The question I really have is -- I've seen some Sigma/Tamron Micro 4/3 lenses. I know they were often hit or miss for dSLR stuff -- is that the case with this format too? If so, is there one that'd capture what I'm looking to do with a wide prime lens? Or is there a better way to accomplish what I'm going for here (as I've heard of adapters and stuff for lenses)? For reference, the plan is to shoot fairly heavily outdoors. For awhile, I'll be doing a lot of landscape photography, likely some basic people shots. Not planning to do too terribly much indoors yet, but I would like to also have the fast lens available should that be something I want to do. Thanks in advance for help with this -- I have the battery for my GF3 charging right now and am fully intending to play with it over the course of this week. Going to make some outings soon for photo ops with friends, so the camera will get some good use!
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Apr 30, 2012 21:48
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moonduck posted:You mean the EVF, yeah? Or does Sony make an optical viewfinder? They have the optical viewfinder for the 16mm lens. It's just a viewfinder though, like you'd see on top of a rangefinder camera. Nothing electronic about it all.
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Apr 30, 2012 21:56
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If it's a wide fast prime you want, you really can't go wrong with the 14mm f2.5 panasonic, although it's like $350. Sigma has a 19mm f2.8 out for m4/3 with is $200 and is also well regarded, especially considering the price. The Panasonic is the better piece of kit though. Third option would be the 20mm f1.7 Panasonic pancake but it's in $500 territory. But for $200 you cannot go wrong with the Sigma 19mm.
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Apr 30, 2012 21:57
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HPL posted:They have the optical viewfinder for the 16mm lens. It's just a viewfinder though, like you'd see on top of a rangefinder camera. Nothing electronic about it all. Somehow supporting an entirely optical viewfinder doesn't seems like a tremendous victory.
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Apr 30, 2012 22:26
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spankmeister posted:If it's a wide fast prime you want, you really can't go wrong with the 14mm f2.5 panasonic, although it's like $350. I believe you can get this lens new on ebay for <$200 as there are a lot of parted out kit lenses on there.
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Apr 30, 2012 22:27
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That's just a little lens you put on the hotshoe right? That's cheating if you ask me.
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Apr 30, 2012 22:27
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Man_of_Teflon posted:I believe you can get this lens new on ebay for <$200 as there are a lot of parted out kit lenses on there. You are quite right and for that money it's superior to the sigma 19mm. 
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Apr 30, 2012 22:29
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HPL posted:They have the optical viewfinder for the 16mm lens. It's just a viewfinder though, like you'd see on top of a rangefinder camera. Nothing electronic about it all. No word yet on if it's officially supported by the NEX-F3, but it looks like there's a good chance it will be, based on the mount. (of course it's still a $400 EVF, YIKES!)
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Apr 30, 2012 23:00
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spankmeister posted:If it's a wide fast prime you want, you really can't go wrong with the 14mm f2.5 panasonic, although it's like $350. Wanna go wide - go with the Panasonic 14 Want slightly less wide AND faster (but more expensive), go with the Panasonic 20 Want slightly less wide and cheaper but not so fast, go with the Sigma 19 The interesting one is the Sigma 30, since there's less clear-cut choice in the 50-60mm field, except for the GODLIKE Panasonic/Leica 25, and the Sigma at $199 is an appealing budget offering for someone who needs similar coverage but can't quite justify the $500+ for a taste of heaven. That's where Sigma is going to really do well on the m43 side of these lenses. The NEX mount versions are going to be pretty much the opposite, with the Sigma 19 being the desireable lens and then it's a tossup between the Sony and the Sigma for 30mm with both lenses having their own advantages/disadvantages and similar pricing.
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Apr 30, 2012 23:07
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krackmonkey posted:http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=FDAEV1S The question was about optical finders. The 16mm viewfinder has been available for the NEX system since day one. It was basically Sony's halfassed attempt at having an eye-level finder right from the get-go because they hadn't developed a good electronic one yet.
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Apr 30, 2012 23:28
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HPL posted:As for the lenses, all Sony needs to do is release one killer pancake lens and the NEX system will bust wide open. I'm not sure that will ever happen. I think something about the flange distance and how the Sony sensors react to light coming in at angles is basically making it impossible to make a pancake lens with good optics for the NEX system. If it was really feasible, a third party would have done it by now. But I think they haven't been able to make one that's worth shooting.
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Apr 30, 2012 23:39
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I did mean EVF, sorry guys.
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May 1, 2012 00:54
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It's sad because even once the supply line issue is ironed out, Sony will still be slow on the draw to release a ~30mm pancake even if they could do it because they'll want to milk the Zeiss 24mm as long as they can.
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HPL posted:It's sad because even once the supply line issue is ironed out, Sony will still be slow on the draw to release a ~30mm pancake even if they could do it because they'll want to milk the Zeiss 24mm as long as they can.
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May 1, 2012 02:30
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Costello Jello posted:I'm not sure that will ever happen. I think something about the flange distance and how the Sony sensors react to light coming in at angles is basically making it impossible to make a pancake lens with good optics for the NEX system. I don't think I entirely buy this. Yes, Sony's microlens arrays have struggled to produce great corner-to-corner performance yet, but there's no reason to think that the next generation of sensors from them wouldn't help that significantly. Considering what Fuji is doing with an even shorter flange distance, not to mention how strong a performer that tiny 23mm f/2 that was on the X100, there's nothing impossible about Sony bringing a solid pancake to the market.
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Man_of_Teflon posted:I believe you can get this lens new on ebay for <$200 as there are a lot of parted out kit lenses on there. So, then, something like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Panason...#ht_2221wt_1163 I see a lot of these ads mentioning "Made in Japan". Is there some warranty issue in that regard? I know many Nikon/Canon dSLR lenses bought from overseas won't honor warranties here in the states. Is that the case here? If not, why is "Made in Japan" significant?
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krackmonkey posted:http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&partNumber=FDAEV1S I really wish that they could bring the price down on the EVF - I am guessing that eventually it will just be built into the body, or technically obselete and I would just rather put that cash into glass or save it for whenever a more compelling body comes out. I would also guess that at a lower price point, more people would buy it and possibly even turn more profit, but what do I know.
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rio posted:I really wish that they could bring the price down on the EVF - I am guessing that eventually it will just be built into the body http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=100803&storeId=20153&langId=200&productId=8198552921666375235
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May 1, 2012 05:10
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Well aware of the 7 (who isn't?). I meant, an EVF being not only in the top camera of the NEX line but incorporated into the entire series, or at least the mid-level cameras as well. LCD displays change rapidly, and what was once the top of the line will someday be mundane (sometimes much sooner than later). I could see in another two years EVFs being put into many more bodies than nowadays, and if an equivilent body to today's 5N (in future standards) were to come out in a couple years with an EVF in it, I would look back at the purchase of the EVF accessory with regret, wishing I had invested it in glass.
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May 1, 2012 05:22
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rio posted:Well aware of the 7 (who isn't?). I meant, an EVF being not only in the top camera of the NEX line but incorporated into the entire series, or at least the mid-level cameras as well. LCD displays change rapidly, and what was once the top of the line will someday be mundane (sometimes much sooner than later). I could see in another two years EVFs being put into many more bodies than nowadays, and if an equivilent body to today's 5N (in future standards) were to come out in a couple years with an EVF in it, I would look back at the purchase of the EVF accessory with regret, wishing I had invested it in glass. Honestly, 99% of the time I use my 5N, I don't even think about wishing I had an EVF. The only times it comes up as an issue is in bright sunlight when I can barely see the LCD. Not having an EVF makes a camera smaller, lighter and cheaper. It's the prime reason I bought a 5N as opposed to a 7. Frankly, I don't think we'll see a low-end model with an EVF because people who are buying a low-end model are either moving up from a P&S where they're used to shooting with an LCD or they're buying the low-end model as a backup or pocket camera and don't want the added bulk of an EVF. I think it'll stay the way it is with one or two premium/pro models having the EVF and the rest having it as an option. To see how far we've come with photography with a finder, think about the gesture people make when talking about taking a photo. They don't hold their hands to their face like they used to. Now they hold their hands outstretched instead.
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I find that kind of cultural evolution really interesting. I have even started to see "no photos" stickers on store windows (the picture of a camera in the red circle with a line through it) that now show stencils of what look like iPhones instead of "proper" cameras.
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May 1, 2012 14:20
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:I find that kind of cultural evolution really interesting. I have even started to see "no photos" stickers on store windows (the picture of a camera in the red circle with a line through it) that now show stencils of what look like iPhones instead of "proper" cameras. Really? I don't think I've ever seen that sign.
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:I find that kind of cultural evolution really interesting. I have even started to see "no photos" stickers on store windows (the picture of a camera in the red circle with a line through it) that now show stencils of what look like iPhones instead of "proper" cameras. Wonder what was the first ever sign of that kind. A daguerreotype inside a red circle?
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May 1, 2012 18:44
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:I find that kind of cultural evolution really interesting. I have even started to see "no photos" stickers on store windows (the picture of a camera in the red circle with a line through it) that now show stencils of what look like iPhones instead of "proper" cameras. Could be a shop owner who really hates Instagram.
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spog posted:Could be a shop owner who really hates Instagram. I would visit that shop every day.
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May 1, 2012 19:01
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Lensrentals tested some lenses on a NEX-7code:
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After a lot of soul-searching and some repeat visits to several shops for a lot of heavy petting, I finally pulled the trigger on a NEX 7 today. Here's the setup I'm going to be rocking for the foreseeable future: the new shiny by Trip Sixes, on Flickr  shiny top-down view by Trip Sixes, on Flickr I've only had a little bit of time with it tonight, but I love how it feels in hand, just the right amount of size and heft that I know it's there but it still isn't full-on DSLR weight. The base of the LA-EA2 is just about perfect for a counter-grip and it seems pretty snappy with the 35 SAM. I also got the 50 e-mount, and there are a couple (cat)photos in my flickr feed taken with that lens, if you're curious. I'll try and post a more detailed accounting of how I'm liking everything after taking a few more days to really break it in and discover what I love/hate about it.
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May 2, 2012 04:42
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Welp I went and ordered an x100 today. We'll see how I like it come friday!
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What wrist strap is that on the NEX-7? And how do you like it? I'm looking for something similar. Currently using a Wii remote strap which is decent but looks a little unsafe...
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May 2, 2012 05:26
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Looks like a Gordy's. Excellent taste in wrist straps, krack.
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ThisQuietReverie posted:Looks like a Gordy's. Excellent taste in wrist straps, krack.
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May 2, 2012 05:33
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Uncle Ivan posted:What wrist strap is that on the NEX-7? And how do you like it? I'm looking for something similar. Currently using a Wii remote strap which is decent but looks a little unsafe... /edit What they said http://www.gordyscamerastraps.com/ I have a wrist and a neck strap from him and I think they are great. It's just thick enough to not dig into your wrist and thin enough to not get sweaty underneath. He custom makes them to your size and color specs. Also it's built to last forever. Here it is on my M6 but it's currently on my X-Pro1 
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Gordy's are rad as gently caress. Here's my black leather, red string strap with Russet wrist pad on my X100: A Weapon Against Taste [x100] by ThisQuietReverie, on Flickr The whole shebang cost me $32 and I feel like I stole his car because it's worth twice that much to me. Like RustedChrome mentioned, he custom makes them when you order it and it definitely feels like it will be around forever. The X100 isn't a super grippy camera to begin with (the hood helps) so it's nice insurance on hot summer days when my hands are sweaty. I keep the Gordy's mounted to a small carabiner on the outside of my daily carry bag when not in use. (I should have gone up a size and I've since corrected how it is mounted to the lug)
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May 2, 2012 06:04
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OK. One more Gordy's porn:
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Lon Lon Rabbit posted:I find that kind of cultural evolution really interesting. I have even started to see "no photos" stickers on store windows (the picture of a camera in the red circle with a line through it) that now show stencils of what look like iPhones instead of "proper" cameras. I wonder what they'd do if you rolled up in there with a field camera and a tripod and started setting up  I'm a big fan of OP/TECH straps myself. I used to have the Artisan & Artist strap for my Bessa, but comfort-wise it was basically a hair shirt when I had the 50mm f/1.2 on it (somewhat weighty). I swapped it out for an OP/TECH and never looked back, currently rocking a similar-sized one on my NEX-3, and the beefy one on my Hassie. Pompous Rhombus fucked around with this message at 08:11 on May 2, 2012 |
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All you x100 users out there, is a sandisk class 10 30mb/sec ultra card fast enough to make the camera not freak out and take forever starting up? or should I get something faster? http://mobile.dailysteals.com/ $13 for a 16gb class 10 sandisk ultra. deal is good for 19 hrs. Edit: I found this on deals.woot.com and a few people are reporting problems with dailysteals. Grain of salt I guess. Question still stands for x100 owners though! Rontalvos fucked around with this message at 09:16 on May 2, 2012 |
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May 2, 2012 09:05
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With prices like that I'm always wary of fakes. The seller doesn't even have to be aware of the card being fake, the fakes make their way through the supply chain all the way down to the stores sometimes.
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What size is the strap in the NEX photo? debating between regular or long length. Does it feel cramped at all? I don't like a loose wrist strap but I want to be able to reach all the controls. I have regular size wrists but fairly large hands. These Gordy's straps look awesome by the way.
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