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I have a collection of poster-sized prints of the same posters Andy Dufresne put up in his jail cell.* * I don't (yet), but that's what I'd put up.
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Partners come into my office all the time and it is extremely uncomfortable, I hate it. It almost always happens right after either a.) I farted or b.) I just finished lunch and my office reeks of bad tacos, hot sauce and tears of shame
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May 2, 2012 16:57
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May 2, 2012 17:04
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There is some definite cause and effect going on there
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May 2, 2012 17:08
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After a week of waiting, the USPTO agreed to let me back in 
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May 2, 2012 17:12
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...do I actually have to study for this professional responsibility final?
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May 2, 2012 18:59
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HiddenReplaced posted:You should visit our IRC channel. Can someone remind me how to connect via chatzilla on firefox? HiddenReplaced posted:I would also add in downloading anki and using the lawgoon MBE flaschards. Downloaded anki, not seeing lawgoon mbe flashcards when I search for them.
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May 2, 2012 19:02
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MechaFrogzilla posted:...do I actually have to study for this professional responsibility final? Everybody cheats on that one, don't bother studying.
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May 2, 2012 19:17
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:Why would a partner go to an associate's office when they could just hit the intercom to the whole office and say "Hey, associate, come here." One of my partners actually does this if he calls your office and you don't answer. Boosted_C5 posted:Can someone remind me how to connect via chatzilla on firefox? As for the cards, I think we've got them in the lawgoon outline database. I'll take a look later tonight.
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May 2, 2012 19:23
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May 2, 2012 22:45
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I don't get it, joke is that you studied during law school?
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May 2, 2012 23:15
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Mons Hubris posted:After a week of waiting, the USPTO agreed to let me back in
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May 3, 2012 01:17
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Is that you, Red Bean Juice? Also, that picture is wrong. Should be hugging the Blue Book as if it is one's precious.
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May 3, 2012 02:05
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First time I ever opened my Wills textbook was about 1/3 of the way through the final today. I had the ballerest outline and it was all multiple choice so books 
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May 3, 2012 02:23
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Green Crayons posted:Is that you, Red Bean Juice? Yes, and I don't know about you guys, but I personally shredded my Bluebook for use as a thickener in soups and stews to be served to people I don't really like
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May 3, 2012 03:16
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Bro Enlai posted:Yes, and I don't know about you guys, but I personally shredded my Bluebook for use as a thickener in soups and stews to be served to people I don't really like My Bluebook has actually seen more use post-law school than it did during 3L. (I may have had a boss who was neurotic about cites being perfect.)
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May 3, 2012 03:23
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Michigan Blue books? Or are those more widespread than I thought.
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May 3, 2012 03:24
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AgentSythe posted:Michigan Blue books? Or are those more widespread than I thought. What, the little essay books UMich uses for handwritten exams? God no, those things are even more in need of abolition than the Bluebook, A Uniform System of Citation.
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May 3, 2012 04:10
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Those would be the ones. I'm glad the contagion has been contained.
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May 3, 2012 05:45
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AgentSythe posted:Those would be the ones. I'm glad the contagion has been contained. If you mean the 7.5"x11.5" books that are horrid lined paper,and say "Blue Book: Examination Book" on the front, they haven't been. I think I even used them in HS for exams (in NY), and definitely in undergrad. And law school. All in NY. The only positive to state school is that I didn't have to pay 75¢ for the drat things.
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May 3, 2012 05:49
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Kalman posted:My Bluebook has actually seen more use post-law school than it did during 3L. (I may have had a boss who was neurotic about cites being perfect.) nm fucked around with this message at 06:44 on May 3, 2012 |
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May 3, 2012 06:41
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nm posted:I think I lost my bluebook around 1-2L. No one ever cared, and I'm sure I've done more actual legal writing than any of the fuckers on law review who didn't clerk. I opened my blue book exactly twice. First during orientation or whatever the heck where they showed me how it worked. Then the second time I got frustrated and threw it away because it was dumb. I had no regrets, and still have no regrets, despite a huge writing responsibility during my post-grad career. Although to be fair, unlike Kalman, my bosses have never once cared about italicized commas.
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In fairness to my boss, whatever we wrote was potentially going to be seen by quite a few people more than your average legal document, since it was a political job. Hence the desire to make sure absolutely everything had support and that support was correctly cited.
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Oh dear god, this quote. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/derailed-on-the-fast-track.html?_r=1&ref=businessquote:“A firm may look like a corporation, yes, but we’re all part of a fraternity of lawyers,” said the Ivy League student. “Next year one becomes a member of the bar association, a linked structure. The firms may be competitors, but at the end of the day this is still the greater legal field. I hope this sensibility that we are part of a profession will also be in the minds of people as they consider us.” Hopelessly idealistic
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May 3, 2012 13:31
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Tetrix posted:Oh dear god, this quote. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/business/derailed-on-the-fast-track.html?_r=1&ref=business Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: We Are All Part of a Fraternity of Baristas
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May 3, 2012 14:18
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In a meeting yesterday, a partner described the distinction between an "attorney" and a "lawyer" by saying that the term "lawyer" refers to people who have passed the bar and are licensed to practice, whereas the term "attorney" refers to a lawyer in his/her specific role as legal advisor/advoce to/for a particular client. In other words, a lawyer who is not actively engaged by any clients is not an attorney, and any time we use the word "attorney" it should always be in reference to a particular representation. I'm not saying I agree with this partner's characterization of the difference between "lawyer" and "attorney" but I had never heard this explanation for the distinction before. I can't find any historical evidence that this is the root of the distinction, so I am inclined to dismiss this as yet another person's opinion. Adar posted:Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: We Are All Part of a Fraternity of Baristas No matter how many crit discussions we have, no matter how many jerks get banned, we will never get rid of the sexism and misogyny pervading our profession. 
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entris posted:In a meeting yesterday, a partner described the distinction between an "attorney" and a "lawyer" by saying that the term "lawyer" refers to people who have passed the bar and are licensed to practice, whereas the term "attorney" refers to a lawyer in his/her specific role as legal advisor/advoce to/for a particular client. In other words, a lawyer who is not actively engaged by any clients is not an attorney, and any time we use the word "attorney" it should always be in reference to a particular representation. I'll take synonym's for $1000 Alex. We came from England with legal titles and the modern profession seems obsessed with recreating them 250 years later. Roger_Mudd, Esq.
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what's a counsel then? I'm skeptical about this whole "words" and "meanings" business
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He's a partner so he's allowed to just make poo poo up in order to sound important.
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nm posted:I think I lost my bluebook around 1-2L. No one ever cared, and I'm sure I've done more actual legal writing than any of the fuckers on law review who didn't clerk. This. Bluebooks are terrible and I can't remember the last time I opened one. In regards to law review and clerks, how much legal writing do they do? In appeals we would file about a hundred to a hundred and fifty pages a month.
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Adar posted:Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: We Are All Part of a Fraternity of Baristas quote:“The place I’ve been working during the school year has said it’s willing to accommodate an extension for me, so I got lucky in that sense,” said Mr. Aitchison. He said the job entailed unpaid work at a government agency, but declined to name it. “I don’t want to say which one because I worry they’ll suddenly get flooded with résumés.”
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Adar posted:Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: We Are All Part of a Fraternity of Baristas Please please please
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May 3, 2012 18:37
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CALI Property lessons own. 97% on Estates. 
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May 3, 2012 19:40
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I think the Bluebook is the biggest waste and I hate it. I should probably regret sleeping in on Bluebook test day because Law Review is the gift that keeps on giving buuuuut...I don't.
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May 4, 2012 02:39
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Meh. Finished law school with a 3.46 GPA. Only top 40%. Top 1/3 cut-off was 3.49. Got a B+ in my 5 credit hour tax clinic this semester. Now I regret working so hard for my impoverished, degenerate gambling, self-medicated, non-filing clients when I could have been spending more time surfing the web. Here's to hoping I wont be one of the, statistically speaking, 3-5 people from my school who will fail the Virginia Bar Exam. Hope my self-study plan doesn't back-fire.
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Colorblind Pilot posted:CALI Property lessons own. 97% on Estates. CALI lessons are uniformly awful. I did 2-3 first year, basically got every question wrong, and never touched them again.
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So, right now I'm a computer science major thinking of switching into English and going into law. This might seem random, but I have always been more interested in English and law seems like a really intense, challenging field. I went into my school as a computer science major because I thought that computer science sounded interesting and the job prospects for it are, admittedly, a lot better than the job prospects available for being an English major. However, now I am realizing that I actually have very little interest in computer science and am looking into alternative jobs that align better with my interests. At the moment, my GPA as a freshman is a 3.14 - will this pretty much kill my chances at getting into a decent law school? Currently, I attend the University of Pennsylvania; if I am to switch majors and achieve better grades, will it make a difference, or should I consider another field? I know that right now the market for law jobs is pretty awful and tons of people are sinking in law school debt hell, so yeah.
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flymonkey posted:So, right now I'm a computer science major thinking of switching into English and going into law. This might seem random, but I have always been more interested in English and law seems like a really intense, challenging field. I went into my school as a computer science major because I thought that computer science sounded interesting and the job prospects for it are, admittedly, a lot better than the job prospects available for being an English major. However, now I am realizing that I actually have very little interest in computer science and am looking into alternative jobs that align better with my interests. Hey flymonkey, check out the first post in this thread. The only things that matter for getting into law school is your GPA and LSAT score. Going to law school is a really bad idea right now. The end result will likely be high student loan debt and almost no job prospects. I was in IT before I went back to school to become a lawyer. I think financially I would have been much better off staying in IT.
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flymonkey posted:At the moment, my GPA as a freshman is a 3.14 - will this pretty much kill my chances at getting into a decent law school? Currently, I attend the University of Pennsylvania; if I am to switch majors and achieve better grades, will it make a difference, or should I consider another field? I know that right now the market for law jobs is pretty awful and tons of people are sinking in law school debt hell, so yeah. I didn't actually go to law school, but I took the LSAT, applied to several schools, and have been consistently checking up this thread, so I know a good bit about the law school application process. In all bitter honesty, a 3.14 is not going to get you into good law schools unless you have a stellar LSAT (and even then you might not have a good shot). Competitive GPAs start in the 3.4-3.6 ranges from what I gathered. Also, another thing to keep in mind, any major is applicable for law school, and being in a computer science major would really help you stand out and be available for more legal options then other majors would. I remember reading that people with hard science/philosophy degrees tended to fare much better on the LSAT than English/Pre-Law types, too. Just don't fall in to the trap that is the mindset of "a JD means a steady, good paying job when I get out" because its not that unless you are extremely lucky.
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Yeah, computer science majors can often apply for the patent bar and do IP work, which opens up a whole bunch of firms that the other students can't apply for as easily, so it improves your job prospects. If you whole-hog swap majors, you lose access to the patent bar and IP stuff, but it might improve your GPA. As far as a 3.14... It's not great. You can get into a school ranked 30-40 with a 3.1 and a 170+ on the LSAT. It's an option, but not an amazing one. Those schools are likely to have regional prominence (if in a gently caress where am I state like Utah, Idaho, Montana, Wisconsin, etc) so you have a chance at a job in your area (if you are in the top third of your class, which you cannot in any way guarantee). However, schools in that range will still have great difficulty getting a job in the large legal markets, meaning places like LA, SF, Chicago, DC, NY, probably Boston. If you can improve your GPA substantially over the next three years and get an excellent LSAT score, however, you might not be totally screwed. With one year of a 3.14, and two or three years of 3.5-3.7 on your transcript, you'll be more in the 3.4-3.6 range, which improves your chances drastically (again, requiring a solid LSAT score; how did you do on the SAT?). tl;dr. Chances of a mediocre school are decent, but that will leave you in debt and sad unless you get lucky. Chances of a good school are slim, but the possibility exists. Patent options open up more jobs.
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