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Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

S.J. posted:

If there's one thing that everyone can agree on, it's gently caress Legion :v:

Fo' realz.

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KuangMkV
Jan 25, 2003

Glad to see a lot of you guys are gonna be at L&L! If my painting plans for the next three weeks work out I'll be the guy with Artificer General Nemo + Stormwall and pals in Fort Falk colors. Come ask for a game. :)

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

Gay Polymers posted:

The current ruling is that Hymn of Passage prevents the Devout from using Shield Guard. There is a big uproar about Shield Guard in general, right now. If the model with Shield Guard cannot be declared as a target by the attacking model (i.e. no LOS, unable to target due to Passage, etc) then Shield Guard cannot be used. They've said they want to fix this, but rules-as-written has it working this way for now.

That is very saddening. I also learned that you cant double weapon lock today.

That by far is the stupider ruling. I dont see why if I want to burn the focus to piss off my opponent and completely lock his precious character jack down I cant do it.

I mean, is it really that hienous that it forces another check when he tries to break the second grapple?

Acceptableloss
May 2, 2011

Numerous, effective and tenacious: We must remember to hire them next time....oh, nevermind.

Ashcans posted:

This weekend our league moves up to 35pts. I have been trying to work out what to bring to the fight. This is what I am working with at the moment:

30/35
Captain Damiano (*6pts)
* Rocinante (9pts)
* Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts)
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer (2pts)
* * Mule (8pts)
Steelhead Halberdiers (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator (1pts)
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord (2pts)

So the question is what to use for the last 5pts. My options are basically a Vangurd, Min Devil Dogs, or Alexia & the Risen.

If I take the Vanguard, it would be to plonk it down in the middle of the Halberdiers with Surefoot on, making them Def15, Tough, and immune to Knockdown. I am pretty sure this will piss off pretty much everyone. If I take Alexia, I would basically do the same thing (although I'll be able to cover fewer people with Surefoot) and basically just soak up corpses to swamp the battle line and throw out Thralls to gently caress with my opponent.

So what's the way to go? The increased speedbump/staying power from the Vanguard, or the additional bodies and tricks from Alexia? I love the Vanguard, but I also love dropping a new Risen in behind my opponent's rank and file, transforming it into a Thrall, and charging a solo/caster/etc. Plus, Arcane Disjunction.

I would drop Reinholt and add steelhead cav. Or if you don't have them / want to buy them, run pAlexia + risen as a second wave.

hobocrunch
Mar 11, 2008

I'm walkin' here

Arlaharen posted:

wall...

I appreciate it. You've helped me greatly. I've been trying some weird strategies, but I'll give a try to some of those.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Just played a few friendly mangled metal games using eskarre. I haven't felt so much like I was cheating since I played the same games with pdenny. Love cryx for life.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Acceptableloss posted:

I would drop Reinholt and add steelhead cav. Or if you don't have them / want to buy them, run pAlexia + risen as a second wave.

Thanks for the input. I am definitely going to get some Cavalry (I really debated about getting them before the Halberdiers, but it just didn't make sense) but there's basically no way I am going to have them ready for Saturday. I'll roll with Alexia and the Risen, and hopefully have the cavalry sorted by the time we move up to 50pts.

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

theironjef posted:

Just played a few friendly mangled metal games using eskarre. I haven't felt so much like I was cheating since I played the same games with pdenny. Love cryx for life.

Skarre2 breaks the game really hard in low model count games, that's for certain. Her feat is still good at higher point values, but not at the "gently caress you" level of mangled metal.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Hey Goons, I just latched onto a slow-grow league (playing Menoth) at my LGS and plan to pick up a Choir/Vassal of Menoth soon for 15pt forces. Does anyone have anything to recommend after that?

I was leaning towards picking up either the new Exemplar Errants plus their Officer or Bastions, potentially I might get a Vanquisher too.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Flipswitch posted:

Hey Goons, I just latched onto a slow-grow league (playing Menoth) at my LGS and plan to pick up a Choir/Vassal of Menoth soon for 15pt forces. Does anyone have anything to recommend after that?

I was leaning towards picking up either the new Exemplar Errants plus their Officer or Bastions, potentially I might get a Vanquisher too.

Is there anything else you own so far? The most important thing to consider is your caster, but generally Exemplar Errants + UA are amazing, Vanquisher is amazing, and Bastions are really good too.

Cinara
Jul 15, 2007

Flipswitch posted:

Hey Goons, I just latched onto a slow-grow league (playing Menoth) at my LGS and plan to pick up a Choir/Vassal of Menoth soon for 15pt forces. Does anyone have anything to recommend after that?

I was leaning towards picking up either the new Exemplar Errants plus their Officer or Bastions, potentially I might get a Vanquisher too.

Exemplar Errants + Seneschal will work great in any list, and the Reckoner is an amazing jack that you will use all the time, and may end up wanting more than one.

!amicable
Jan 20, 2007

KuangMkV posted:

Glad to see a lot of you guys are gonna be at L&L! If my painting plans for the next three weeks work out I'll be the guy with Artificer General Nemo + Stormwall and pals in Fort Falk colors. Come ask for a game. :)

How are you pulling that off?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


S.J. posted:

Is there anything else you own so far? The most important thing to consider is your caster, but generally Exemplar Errants + UA are amazing, Vanquisher is amazing, and Bastions are really good too.
I've got the Battlegroup and that's it, I'm a real Warmachine newbie.

Cinara posted:

Exemplar Errants + Seneschal will work great in any list, and the Reckoner is an amazing jack that you will use all the time, and may end up wanting more than one.
Reckoner is the one with the big meaty club isn't it?

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Flipswitch posted:

I've got the Battlegroup and that's it, I'm a real Warmachine newbie.

Reckoner is the one with the big meaty club isn't it?

The giant whack-a-mole bat, yeah.

KuangMkV
Jan 25, 2003

!amicable posted:

How are you pulling that off?

My job has a few perks.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

!amicable posted:

How are you pulling that off?

He works for PP.

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

KuangMkV posted:

My job has a few perks.

Did you write any of the fluff for those models? Will I finally get the Stryker/Butcher slash-fic I've been begging you for?

KuangMkV
Jan 25, 2003

Gay Polymers posted:

Did you write any of the fluff for those models? Will I finally get the

Yup. I think I've written the model entry for everything we've released since Mk II, except the Black Dragons which were a No Quarter project that didn't land on my desk.

Gay Polymers posted:

Stryker/Butcher slash-fic I've been begging you for?

I hate you, Gay Polymers. Just for that, I will have the Judicator cancelled.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

KuangMkV posted:

My job has a few perks.

You had better spoil every God-damned word on those cards or I'm coming after you :colbert:

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

KuangMkV posted:

I hate you, Gay Polymers. Just for that, I will have the Judicator cancelled.

That's a weird way of spelling "love." And regarding the Judicator...


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOT CAPTAIN FIRE NIPPLES!

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


S.J. posted:

The giant whack-a-mole bat, yeah.
Yeah that thing cracks me up because it looks exactly like a whack-a-mole bat, I can just imagine it making a "thunk" when it hits someone. Is the Vigilant worth getting at all? It looks great on paper but I can't help but think its overspecialised.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Flipswitch posted:

Yeah that thing cracks me up because it looks exactly like a whack-a-mole bat, I can just imagine it making a "thunk" when it hits someone. Is the Vigilant worth getting at all? It looks great on paper but I can't help but think its overspecialised.

Is that the one with the 2 shields? Don't bother.

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

S.J. posted:

Is that the one with the 2 shields? Don't bother.

Speaking of things designed by Kuang...

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


S.J. posted:

Is that the one with the 2 shields? Don't bother.
Yeah that's the one.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Dear Protectorate. If you are unhappy with the Vigilant please decommission it and sell all available units to the nearest Mercenary company. We would love some more light jack choices and two open fists would be a sweet bonus. Thanks!

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

Flipswitch posted:

Yeah that's the one.

To expound a little more, I think the Vigilant is awesome and underrated. It can 2-handed throw medium or small bases, perform arm and weapon locks, escort squishy units or solos up the field, and has the armor of a heavy on a light chassis, all for 4pts. The issue that occurs is that Menoth has so many good jacks, that he often can't fit into a list, or his utility is overshadowed for pure beatface potential. If you like the look of him, give him a try. I guarantee he can protect and/or earn back his points every game if you let him.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

It's also something a new player should just ignore.

Tailfnz
Oct 13, 2011

I'm delightfully forgettable.

S.J. posted:

It's also something a new player should just ignore.

Duly noted. So, should I start up Menoth in the near future (which is looking likely), I'm assuming some good purchases to go along with what's in the Two Player Box would be a Choir box and a Vassal?

Gay Polymers
Jun 14, 2005

I hear voices in my head
They talk to me
They understand
Where are my keys?

Undead Tailfnz posted:

Duly noted. So, should I start up Menoth in the near future (which is looking likely), I'm assuming some good purchases to go along with what's in the Two Player Box would be a Choir box and a Vassal?

Those are a very solid start, yup!

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

S.J. posted:

Is that the one with the 2 shields? Don't bother.

The Vigilant isnt so bad. Armor 21 and girded for 4 points? Thats alright with me.
Its a good caster protecter or a unit
shielder.

Run it up with your Errants or TFG and have it lock up jacks so that you can use your units to butcher your main target.

Hang it back so it can protect your caster from AOE and help block LOS.

At most you will ever only need one focus on him if at all.

You will really only need one but that one will prove its value.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

You're a few posts late :v:

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

S.J. posted:

You're a few posts late :v:

Some of us are at work!

Also Im posting from my phone so it takes me longer to type out what I have to say.

dexefiend
Apr 25, 2003

THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

Excelsiortothemax posted:

Some of us are at work!

Also Im posting from my phone so it takes me longer to type out what I have to say.

Yeah, I saw the 40+ new posts and thought, "The Judicator pics must have been released!"

:smith:

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

the next one's gonna be the merc one just you see :smug:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

No, no, the merc one has to be last or next to last so that I have time to save up cash for it.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Well either way they're not coming out for a while, so.

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

dexefiend posted:

Yeah, I saw the 40+ new posts and thought, "The Judicator pics must have been released!"

:smith:

Me too.

Come on Kuang! Crack the whip at your marketing team! Dont you want us dedicated Menoth players to throw money at you?

KuangMkV
Jan 25, 2003

Excelsiortothemax posted:

Me too.

Come on Kuang! Crack the whip at your marketing team! Dont you want us dedicated Menoth players to throw money at you?

Speaking as someone with a second title that makes him part of the marketing team, I can promise you it is not in that department's power to rush models to market, despite our fondest wishes otherwise. ;)

Excelsiortothemax
Sep 9, 2006

KuangMkV posted:

Speaking as someone with a second title that makes him part of the marketing team, I can promise you it is not in that department's power to rush models to market, despite our fondest wishes otherwise. ;)

Sigh, guess I'll just go back to *f5* PP's new releases page until dreams become reality.

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S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

KuangMkV posted:

Speaking as someone with a second title that makes him part of the marketing team, I can promise you it is not in that department's power to rush models to market, despite our fondest wishes otherwise. ;)

So what factions do you play? Make Cygnar melee infantry better please.

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