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Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

Mercurius posted:

Apple currently only offers 1920x1200 on the 17" MBP as a BTO option

No. That's standard and the only resolution you can get on the current 17 inch.

And I seriously hope that the next 17 inch is going to have a higher resolution than my iPad or at least the same.

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Anmitzcuaca
Nov 23, 2005

Does anyone know if Apple will replace a Macbook Pro keyboard with a different language one? I bought mine in Australia but I live in Germany now and I use a German keyboard layout and keep forgetting where all the symbol keys are since it´s completely different.

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007

Anmitzcuaca posted:

Does anyone know if Apple will replace a Macbook Pro keyboard with a different language one? I bought mine in Australia but I live in Germany now and I use a German keyboard layout and keep forgetting where all the symbol keys are since it´s completely different.
They can.

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!
I really can't seem waiting til June for a release of something. With the fall release of a new product (iTV, iPad Nano, whatever).. they're going to need to release things every two months to make sure one doesn't impede on another. For example, iPads in March, MBPs and iMacs in May, MBA and Mac Minis in July, iPhone 5 in September, and then something new in November.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


I know I am not breaking any new ground by saying this, but Apples policy of announcing new poo poo right before it comes out is total crap. Its just so obnoxious sitting around without my new computer gambling on whether or not websites have predicted the new releases correctly. The stupidest thing is that if they do release a new one within a month of when I buy mine, I'm just gonna send it back at their expense and upgrade. I'm sure a shitload of people do that every time they release a new product and it all could be avoided by just letting their customers be informed.

It's a like a big STFU to a customer who wants to throw $1500 bucks at them asap.

FlashBangBob
Jul 5, 2007

BLAM! Internet Found!

NESguerilla posted:

I know I am not breaking any new ground by saying this, but Apples policy of announcing new poo poo right before it comes out is total crap. Its just so obnoxious sitting around without my new computer gambling on whether or not websites have predicted the new releases correctly. The stupidest thing is that if they do release a new one within a month of when I buy mine, I'm just gonna send it back at their expense and upgrade. I'm sure a shitload of people do that every time they release a new product and it all could be avoided by just letting their customers be informed.

It's a like a big STFU to a customer who wants to throw $1500 bucks at them asap.

The problem is that if they announce "We'll have new MBPs in a month" it completely shits on their current MBP market -- I mean why would you buy one today if you *KNEW* it was happening in one month. Their current stance of, "What we've got is what we've got" can be annoying, but it can make sense in some ways.

Really the old saying, "If you need one, buy one, and if you don't need one, then wait" has always applied.

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.

NESguerilla posted:

I'm just gonna send it back at their expense and upgrade.

How exactly does this work? I'm looking at iMacs and really want to get one but don't want to spend my money and have a new one out in June...

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Anmitzcuaca posted:

Does anyone know if Apple will replace a Macbook Pro keyboard with a different language one? I bought mine in Australia but I live in Germany now and I use a German keyboard layout and keep forgetting where all the symbol keys are since it´s completely different.

AFAIK the KB is part of the topcase and not replaceable separately.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

bairfanx posted:

How exactly does this work? I'm looking at iMacs and really want to get one but don't want to spend my money and have a new one out in June...

Apple has a 14 day return policy and don't charge restocking fees anymore.

lord funk
Feb 16, 2004

While cutting some pineapple, a piece flew and landed right on the edge of my trackpad. It was enough for a tiny bit of juice to get inside of it. Now every day there is some crystalized sugar inside that crunches until it's been pulverized. No amount of cleaning has gotten ride of it. Fuuuuuck.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Honestly the way they do things right now with refreshes is completely fine and completely understandable. It's pretty much only the kind of person who posts in here who will freak about not having the bleeding edge. Just get the best value refurb Mac in your budget when you need it.

thegasman2000
Feb 12, 2005
Update my TFLC log? BOLLOCKS!
/
:backtowork:
I have a client who purchased a 17" macbook pro (refurbished) online yesterday. This was agains my advice but whatever! He had it delivered this morning and has just requested I return it as its too big... grr. My issue is that online it says I cant return it? Is this right or do I need to call up as its a refurb.

bairfanx
Jan 20, 2006

I look like this IRL,
but, you know,
more Greg Land-y.

fleshweasel posted:

Honestly the way they do things right now with refreshes is completely fine and completely understandable. It's pretty much only the kind of person who posts in here who will freak about not having the bleeding edge. Just get the best value refurb Mac in your budget when you need it.

This is what I thought, thanks! Judging from the OP, since I don't really need this BTO and the cost difference is ~$80, after tax, between Amazon and Apple (for a new vs refurb, respectively), I assume I should probably just order off of Amazon? I know the refurbs are probably just as good, but I also don't mind dropping the extra $80 for it new (and 2-day shipped via Prime).

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm

FlashBangBob posted:

I really can't seem waiting til June for a release of something. With the fall release of a new product (iTV, iPad Nano, whatever).. they're going to need to release things every two months to make sure one doesn't impede on another. For example, iPads in March, MBPs and iMacs in May, MBA and Mac Minis in July, iPhone 5 in September, and then something new in November.

The question really is do they actually need to release a new product to hit their numbers. I don't really see Apple as a company that releases things unless they need a bump to hit the goals. Blow a new product launch when you're already where you need to be and you're just loving yourself for next year growth figures.

Hiyoshi
Jun 27, 2003

The jig is up!

thegasman2000 posted:

I have a client who purchased a 17" macbook pro (refurbished) online yesterday. This was agains my advice but whatever! He had it delivered this morning and has just requested I return it as its too big... grr. My issue is that online it says I cant return it? Is this right or do I need to call up as its a refurb.

If he ordered it from Apple, you can definitely return it. Call them.

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

NESguerilla posted:

I know I am not breaking any new ground by saying this, but Apples policy of announcing new poo poo right before it comes out is total crap. Its just so obnoxious sitting around without my new computer gambling on whether or not websites have predicted the new releases correctly.
Yeah that's different from all the other companies who announce their new comps months in advance like um... uh...

NESguerilla posted:

The stupidest thing is that if they do release a new one within a month of when I buy mine, I'm just gonna send it back at their expense and upgrade. I'm sure a shitload of people do that every time they release a new product and it all could be avoided by just letting their customers be informed.
If I had to guess, then I'd say the percentage of Apple customers who cares about release dates is maybe 5-10% and the percentage crazy enough to gamble on release dates by buying things they plan to return is maybe 0.05%, if that.

The rest just buys things they feel they need, whenever.

NESguerilla posted:

It's a like a big STFU to a customer who wants to throw $1500 bucks at them asap.

If you need a computer, buy it now.

I also love it when some people here get like "OMG my 2007 MacBook is on its last leg and I need a new MBP NOW!!!!!!!!!"

Plan your life a little. Buy a secondary MBP or PC laptop or Mac Mini or whatever and buy new things before the old one falls apart.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer
There's no shame in doing your damndest to keep using a piece of "old" tech instead of just replacing it. Hell, it's probably in all of our futures. When in human history has such a fundamental tool been useable for such a short time?

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

fleshweasel posted:

There's no shame in doing your damndest to keep using a piece of "old" tech instead of just replacing it. Hell, it's probably in all of our futures. When in human history has such a fundamental tool been useable for such a short time?

When an item is important for you to do your job, then there's absolutely shame in having only one, keeping it around until it breaks or is about to break and then whining like it's not your fault for not planning better.

There's always been things around that are fundamental and need servicing and replacing after a few years - shoes and other clothing items come to mind.

I also don't see any benefit in putting this into historical perspective: The people posting this kind of stuff here and elsewhere are not 80 years old, and they know what's going on.

Is it really worthy of discussion whether or not professionals in any field should have failsafes and backups?

rawrr
Jul 28, 2007
I think with apple products, upgrades are frequently more of a "want" than "need".

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

rawrr posted:

I think with apple products, upgrades are frequently more of a "want" than "need".

Right - I was only talking about people who claim they're professionals, students or similar. I'm not faulting someone's grandma for having a computer from 2002.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

fleshweasel posted:

There's no shame in doing your damndest to keep using a piece of "old" tech instead of just replacing it. Hell, it's probably in all of our futures. When in human history has such a fundamental tool been useable for such a short time?

Had I bought a Macbook Pro ins 2008 or whatever, and kept using it, instead of transitioning to 2 Pros and 2 Airs, I'd have saved so much time and money. Even if I had upgraded the original Pro via RAM and SSD.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


AlternateAccount posted:

AFAIK the KB is part of the topcase and not replaceable separately.

Correct, this has been the case since the 2010 MBP models at least. And man, is it a pain to switch out a top case.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

Bob Morales posted:

Had I bought a Macbook Pro ins 2008 or whatever, and kept using it, instead of transitioning to 2 Pros and 2 Airs, I'd have saved so much time and money. Even if I had upgraded the original Pro via RAM and SSD.

Yeah I've been grinding out my 2007 iMac for as long as I can, but it's gotten to the point now where Photoshop sometimes pops up with a "NOT ENOUGH RAM" message, even though I'm maxed out. It's finally time to upgrade for me, haha.

Shin-chan
Aug 1, 2008

To be a man you must have honor...
...honor and a penis!

Binary Badger posted:

Correct, this has been the case since the 2010 MBP models at least. And man, is it a pain to switch out a top case.

It takes time but I wouldn't classify it as "a pain". I'd much rather change current gen MB and MBP top cases now than previous generation bottom cases.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


It's a pain when the user needs it for a pitch across town within the next 20 minutes OR HIS STUDIO WILL BELLY UP

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007
I know you can have Apple put different keyboards on with no pushback from them. I've done it many times.

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


flavor posted:

Plan your life a little. Buy a secondary MBP or PC laptop or Mac Mini or whatever and buy new things before the old one falls apart.

I'm not sure I follow you here. My old MBP is fine (although really lacks the power to do anything I want anymore and the battery is shot) The whole reason I was bitching is because I AM planning my purchase vs. just impulse buying a new iMac.

And waiting for the new models isn't an issue of me needing the absolute cutting edge machine. It's more that I am concerned with getting the best deal I can.

That said, at this point I am sick of waiting so I might as well pick up a refurb. That way I can t least comfort myself in knowing I saved a couple of hundred bucks.

And seriosuly, how many people have money to buy a back up MBP in case their other one craps out?

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

flavor posted:

Yeah that's different from all the other companies who announce their new comps months in advance like um... uh...

ASUS announces their new stuff a year or two in advance! 90% of which never makes it to market and that 10% usually with inferior specs to what was announced. They just like announcing stuff to make sure you feel like your purchase is outdated before you get it home.

Personally I'm liking Apple's "one upgrade a year or less" strategy. Means waiting a little longer but if I buy something near launch it doesn't get a new model in a couple weeks.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

Anmitzcuaca posted:

Does anyone know if Apple will replace a Macbook Pro keyboard with a different language one? I bought mine in Australia but I live in Germany now and I use a German keyboard layout and keep forgetting where all the symbol keys are since it´s completely different.

The SOP for Apple Retail is that if you tell the retail store when you purchase the machine you want an INTL keyboard swap out, they'll order one, and you can take the machine and use it until the part comes in (up to 4 weeks wait depending on language). Once it gets in, we'll do a top case replacement for free.


Try talking to the German Apple Stores in Frankfurt, Hamburg or wherever you are.

You could say that when you purchased your Mac, the specialist said that you'd be entitled to a top case swap out at an Apple Store, free of charge, which is why you bought it from them.

Because of the way 'customer expectations' work within Apple, you'll probably get the swap for free. But be prepared to be without it for a few days for the repair.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

Binary Badger posted:

It's a pain when the user needs it for a pitch across town within the next 20 minutes OR HIS STUDIO WILL BELLY UP

At this point I hand them a wired keyboard off the shelf and ask if there's anything else I can help with today :v:

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

NESguerilla posted:

I'm not sure I follow you here. My old MBP is fine (although really lacks the power to do anything I want anymore and the battery is shot) The whole reason I was bitching is because I AM planning my purchase vs. just impulse buying a new iMac.
Well apparently your old MBP is not fine then. MBPs run slower if the battery doesn't work, look it up. This may be why you're having trouble running some software on it.

NESguerilla posted:

And waiting for the new models isn't an issue of me needing the absolute cutting edge machine. It's more that I am concerned with getting the best deal I can.

That said, at this point I am sick of waiting so I might as well pick up a refurb. That way I can t least comfort myself in knowing I saved a couple of hundred bucks.
I'm 100% down with waiting for new models (I have bought more tech items on their release days than I can count), I 'm just thinking it's silly when people wait beyond the doorstop/trash point to upgrade and then complain when the rumored refresh date that they had a god-given right on gets delayed.

Do whatever you feel like, but I wouldn't think refreshes are too far off. And if you're thinking about Diablo 3, I was able to make the beta work fine even on my fartsy old mid-2009 13 inch MBP.

NESguerilla posted:

And seriosuly, how many people have money to buy a back up MBP in case their other one craps out?
This is not what I said. I keep saying to have a backup computer, not necessarily a backup MBP. The secondary one can be a cheap Winodws PC, a refurb Mini, an MBP from a few years ago or whatever.

So let me be as precise and clear as possible because this feels like political debates where people twist your words around: Since computers break in unpredictable ways, people who depend on a computer for their livelihood, i.e. professionals or students , should either have a second computer or have access to one. This secondary computer does not have to be the exact same type as the primary one, as long as it can provide the essential functions.
Not having that and running around like headless chicken when the only computer breaks shows a lack of professionality and seriousness.
The same does not apply to hobbyists.

So to twist that around as me saying "People should just buy two MBPs each time" or similar would be dishonest.

Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 03:06 on May 6, 2012

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


flavor posted:

Do whatever you feel like, but I wouldn't think refreshes are too far off. And if you're thinking about Diablo 3, I was able to make the beta work fine even on my fartsy old mid-2009 13 inch MBP.

Yeah, I remember that. I definitely didn't have the same luck with Diablo on my Macbook (same model). It may have to do with the battery/heat issues I have been having, but the video card doesn't meet the specs so I am surprised you were able to get it to run fairly well.

I actually plan on keeping MBP for as long as I possibly can (i'll probably replace the battery and upgrade to an SSD and it will be a pretty banging little laptop again). Just decided to get an iMac for the extra screen real estate and computing power.

HolySwissCheese
Mar 26, 2005

Mercurius posted:

I probably shouldn't have used the term retina but I didn't think most people would recognise Apple's term for it, which is HiDPI. Lion's got experimental support for HiDPI but Mountain Lion is supposedly going to add proper support for HiDPI modes. 2880x1800 is the HiDPI mode of the current 1440x900 display in the 15" MBP (and 13" Air) because it's exactly double the resolution.

If you're interested in what resolutions Intel considers 'retina' to be for the various sizes of laptops and desktops, Liliputing had an article on it a couple weeks ago. Intel seems to think that HiDPI laptop screens should be around 250 dpi and that a 15" laptop should have a 1920x1080 HiDPI (so 3840x2160) screen in them (although Apple uses 16:10 screens, rather than 16:9 like Intel is suggesting). Apple currently only offers 1920x1200 on the 17" MBP as a BTO option, so I don't think you're going to see HiDPI resolutions anywhere near that in 15" MBPs any time soon.


source: http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs-ipads-and-hidpi-doing-the-math/

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

BGrifter posted:

ASUS announces their new stuff a year or two in advance! 90% of which never makes it to market and that 10% usually with inferior specs to what was announced. They just like announcing stuff to make sure you feel like your purchase is outdated before you get it home.

Personally I'm liking Apple's "one upgrade a year or less" strategy. Means waiting a little longer but if I buy something near launch it doesn't get a new model in a couple weeks.

Is ASUS really announcing their laptop model XYZ a year or two in advance? I'd be interested in seeing that.

And to be precise about Apple, the "once a year" thing applies to iOS devices, not so much to OS X ones (which tend to get 2 or so per year).

NOTinuyasha
Oct 17, 2006

 
The Great Twist
Re: the backup Mac discussion, my MacBook Pro died a week ago (discrete video still not built properly as of early 2011), and it being my only computer, I bought a Mac Mini on the spot to use temporarily. I got the MBP back and I can't return the Mini because the cord won't fit back in the box. Is it a sign? Or just annoying eco-friendly packaging?

CaptainMidnight
May 1, 2012

NOTinuyasha posted:

Re: the backup Mac discussion, my MacBook Pro died a week ago (discrete video still not built properly as of early 2011), and it being my only computer, I bought a Mac Mini on the spot to use temporarily. I got the MBP back and I can't return the Mini because the cord won't fit back in the box. Is it a sign? Or just annoying eco-friendly packaging?

Did you talk to Apple on the video issue?

Simple Simon
Dec 29, 2008

"Good sir, would you fancy a Salmon tartar?"
So I got an Intel SSD and 8gb more RAM now in my old 13" Macbook Pro.

Had some minor problem with using a DVD install. So got recommended to use USB or a External HD. So I partitioned an old external HD I had laying around. 1 par Lion Recovery Disk and 1 par
Just used Time Machine after formating the SSD. It's like nothing happened.

I should have done this a long time ago. The machine is just so much snappier then before.

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007

NOTinuyasha posted:

Re: the backup Mac discussion, my MacBook Pro died a week ago (discrete video still not built properly as of early 2011), and it being my only computer, I bought a Mac Mini on the spot to use temporarily. I got the MBP back and I can't return the Mini because the cord won't fit back in the box. Is it a sign? Or just annoying eco-friendly packaging?
Sorry if I'm misreading this but you don't need to have everything packed up nicely in the box in order to get a return, unless you mean you're going to ship it back to them?

veni veni veni
Jun 5, 2005


Is there any disadvantage to buying from Amazon instead of Apple? Just realized I don't have to pay taxes on it if I order via Amazon so that seems like the way to go.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

No customization on Amazon. You can't upgrade graphics cards, hard drives, screen resolution, etc unless there's a sku that already has those upgrades. Most people don't change anything though.

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