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I've gotten compensated for personal connection issues before, just saying.
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revengeanceful posted:So here's a hypothetical for you that came up when me and a buddy were cracking our single pack prizes from the prerelease. P1P1 you have the choice of Mist Raven or Deadeye Navigator, which do you choose? We settled on the Navigator, but it hurt to do so. Take Navigator, it's degenerate with so much more than just the Raven, nearly impossible to kill, protects all your critters, take it without a second thought
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May 9, 2012 19:32
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Is is there any chance of a standard deck in navigator shenanigans? There's also the flyer that draws you a card...I dunno, I just feel like it's so strong in limited there MIGHT be a chance to do something in standard. Could also use that white creature that makes them skip their combat.
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May 9, 2012 20:25
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rear end Catchcum posted:Is is there any chance of a standard deck in navigator shenanigans? There's also the flyer that draws you a card...I dunno, I just feel like it's so strong in limited there MIGHT be a chance to do something in standard. Could also use that white creature that makes them skip their combat. TITANS. Also, things like Snapcaster, Solemn, Blade Splicer would be pretty neat.
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May 9, 2012 20:30
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rear end Catchcum posted:Is is there any chance of a standard deck in navigator shenanigans? There's also the flyer that draws you a card...I dunno, I just feel like it's so strong in limited there MIGHT be a chance to do something in standard. Could also use that white creature that makes them skip their combat. If you can do something useful with turning U into RR, then Priest of Urabrask is your man.
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May 9, 2012 20:56
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What about Zealous Conscripts? If it blinks out, don't you get to keep the permanent?
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May 9, 2012 21:12
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2MB posted:That was the first thing I tried, but personal connection issues aren't covered by it. Not that it would necessarily work but yeah in general the best way to go about it is to describe exactly what you did but never what you think went wrong, and let them figure out if it was your connection or their fault.
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May 9, 2012 21:20
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JAMOOOL posted:What about Zealous Conscripts? No, the effect still ends EoT. Edit: vvvv I think he was talking about blinking the Conscripts? Lunsku fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 9, 2012 |
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May 9, 2012 21:38
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No it doesn't. Well, it does, but the effect says "ok, time for you to give back that permanent now", and you tell it "what permanent? That doesn't exist on the battlefield any more. This one that looks suspiciously similar? That came onto the battlefield under my control, no return clause affecting it."
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May 9, 2012 21:42
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Yeah - I'm talking about blinking the Conscripts - you wouldn't be able to set up Deadeye Navigator with just whatever you're stealing, would you? (I have to read soulbound again) Either way Deadeye + Zealous Conscripts + 6 mana seems like an auto win *regardless*
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May 9, 2012 21:46
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JAMOOOL posted:Yeah - I'm talking about blinking the Conscripts - you wouldn't be able to set up Deadeye Navigator with just whatever you're stealing, would you? (I have to read soulbound again) You can set it up if you have the mana for sure, I think there was specific reference in AVR FAQ even for how flickering interacts with Threaten effects.
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May 9, 2012 21:49
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You can pay 1U to blink the Navigator, repairing it with the stolen guy when it comes back in, then 1U to blink the stolen guy; that's what I was assuming the plan was.
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May 9, 2012 21:49
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Well, that would work too Point is I do think the Navigator will wind up being played b/c nearly all the interactions listed here seem pretty degenerate.
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May 9, 2012 22:19
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JAMOOOL posted:What about Zealous Conscripts? Not the way you're thinking, but it works really well with Fiend Hunter.
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May 9, 2012 22:21
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Things You Can Do With Deadeye Navigator In Standard: Permanently Steal Stuff (Threaten, Pair, Blink) Permanently Exile Stuff (Fiend Hunter Paired, Blink Fiend Hunter with the trigger on the stack) Draw Cards (Gryff Vanguard) Pay 1U to Gain RRR (Priest of Urabrask) Destroy All Their Lands (Acidic Slime) Bounce All Their Creatures (Mist Raven) Anything Titans Do (Titans) Get A Bunch of Golems (Blade Splicer) Be Immune To Targeted Removal (Any creature!) Gain a Ton of Life (Cathedral Sanctifier) Make Them Never Attack Again (Stonehorn Dignitary) The card is all kinds of toolbox-y.
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May 9, 2012 22:55
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Demonic Tutor - Rune Scarred Demon Fetch basic lands - Solemn Overrun - Craterhoof Behemoth Midnight Haunting - Geist Honored Monk FoF - Sphinx of Uthuun I think Deadeye gets an immediate home in the heartless summoning decks.
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May 9, 2012 23:07
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Man I can't wait for M12 and Scars block to rotate out. Standard minus Swords and Titans should be pretty fun.
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May 9, 2012 23:36
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Okay, jumped into a Timespiral block draft, and what the hell, why does every card have 20 lines of text on it. I think I may have been more lost drafting this then cube going in blind. So anyways, built this, just going gently caress it, mono green stompy, anything I should sub in / out? 
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May 10, 2012 00:26
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My thoughts exactly!! (edit: referring to the "Titans and Swords rotate out" comment) Never thought of Deadeye + Heartless but yeah that could definitely be something, especially with Acidic Slime, Sphinx, etc.
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May 10, 2012 00:26
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Kalli posted:Okay, jumped into a Timespiral block draft, and what the hell, why does every card have 20 lines of text on it. I think I may have been more lost drafting this then cube going in blind. Your deck is insane, but you're sort of light on removal. Double Sprout Swarm is the nuts though. TSP is incredibly complicated because there are a million mechanics but also incredibly fun. Pretty much any archetype you can think of is possible if you draft the right cards!
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May 10, 2012 00:32
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Kalli posted:Okay, jumped into a Timespiral block draft, and what the hell, why does every card have 20 lines of text on it. I think I may have been more lost drafting this then cube going in blind. Dude you are going to crush. Two Sprout Swarms with Strength In Numbers? Holy poo poo. Uh, that looks insanely good as is. I might play Evolution Charm over Search for Tomorrow but otherwise that deck looks insane. Edit: I might run that second Sporoloth Ancient over the Deadwood Treefolk, in case you want to draw your entire deck or make even more Saprolings.
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May 10, 2012 00:33
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Sprout Swarm is a serious contender for the best card in TSP block draft, so for you to get two of them means that you're about to be in for quite a treat.
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May 10, 2012 00:37
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Wezlar posted:Your deck is insane, but you're sort of light on removal. Double Sprout Swarm is the nuts though. TSP is incredibly complicated because there are a million mechanics but also incredibly fun. Pretty much any archetype you can think of is possible if you draft the right cards! Yeah, it's pretty funny, I just heard the warning timer every pick after going, huh neat, it's a reference to <card from 16 years ago>, and snap grabbing something green. And yeah, this deck is doing fine so far jesus. Cleaned up first round, and in decent position to win a game after a mill to 5, 1 lander keep. E: Also, Hypergenesis is crap right? It looks okay in green stompy, but... Kalli fucked around with this message at 00:46 on May 10, 2012 |
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May 10, 2012 00:40
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Kalli posted:E: Also, Hypergenesis is crap right? It looks okay in green stompy, but... Its only good if your bombs are better then theirs. Or if you can cascade into in turn 1 or 2 (not in limited).
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May 10, 2012 00:48
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Oh hey, if you try to EOT use a Durkwood Baloth to convoke a Sprout Swarm, your client crashes. Well that's a fun compensation request.
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May 10, 2012 01:11
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Kalli posted:Oh hey, if you try to EOT use a Durkwood Baloth to convoke a Sprout Swarm, your client crashes. Did you end up timing out? That really sucks.
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May 10, 2012 01:24
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Sure, let's play some more TPF, only not as tired and against more sensical opponents. Edit: Holy poo poo, Seriousink drew me an awesome picture of my MODO nemesis, SPACECOYOTE.  Edit 2: And a mana-accurate depiction of me getting land screwed and also the Spanish Mountain Goat Zoro, Cabrito Montês (with a Viridian Longbow (because haha goats can't use bows, right??).)!   rinski fucked around with this message at 06:55 on May 10, 2012 |
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May 10, 2012 01:24
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Wezlar posted:Did you end up timing out? That really sucks. Yeah, pretty much, got back with a minute left, suicided in, knowing it was my only chance, and he played it correctly, so ah well. They're pretty kind with the compensation requests, so shouldn't be an issue.
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May 10, 2012 01:48
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KidVicious posted:Pro tip I've learned from AVR Draft: Pick Mist Ravens every time. EVERY. TIME. My casual community of 16 people drafted yesterday. Not only were most of us unaware of good picks as the set is new, we are also terrible drafters i general. I have been reading this thread the past week to get some hints and seems like it was a good idea: 1 wingcrafter 1 evestation tide 1 infinite reflection 1 gryff vanguard 2 midnight duelist 5 mist raven 2 cloudshift 1 angelic wall 2 Seraph of Dawn 1 Scarpskin Drake 2 Moorland Inquisitor 1 Nephalia Smuggler 1 Galvanic Alchemist 1 Havengul Skaab 1 Defang Play of the day: Casting Infinite Reflection on opponents Latch Seeker and swing for 15 Won the tournament and got.... 1 booster pack. Luckily i pulled a foil Entreat the Angels of it. Chutch fucked around with this message at 10:47 on May 10, 2012 |
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May 10, 2012 09:58
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Kalli posted:Oh hey, if you try to EOT use a Durkwood Baloth to convoke a Sprout Swarm, your client crashes. Was it just a general crash or is there actually some corner case in the code where that particular combination causes a crash? Because a) I could totally see that happening and b) it would be hilarious.
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May 10, 2012 10:06
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Using Captain of the Mists to keep someone's red source tapped down during their upkeep felt real good when he told me he Drew into bonfire both games I did so. Keep an eye on that mana, kids, could be a real lifesaver.
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May 10, 2012 11:23
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5 Mist Ravens and 2 Seraphs, that's obscene
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May 10, 2012 14:11
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revengeanceful posted:So here's a hypothetical for you that came up when me and a buddy were cracking our single pack prizes from the prerelease. P1P1 you have the choice of Mist Raven or Deadeye Navigator, which do you choose? We settled on the Navigator, but it hurt to do so. This is definitely an exception. So far I haven't come across him in my draft pools. I would definitely take him and then resume my prime directive of grabbing mist ravens.
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May 10, 2012 14:41
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Until drafters wise up, I may start p1ing Mist Raven over Craterhoof Behemoth and other rares of that sort.
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Im gonna try and teach my girlfriend how to draft. I'll probably just explain to her BREAD before we start. Also Im gonna start with a Winchester draft, because everything is face up and I can walk her through why certain picks are good and bad (i.e. pick all the mist ravens). Any tips for teaching someone how to draft?
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May 10, 2012 15:59
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Teach her the BREAK/BREAD system. Bombs, Removal, Evasion, Abilities, Dudes/Krap. Then teach her Mist Raven is Removal and Evasion, therefore is awesome. EDIT: I missed a whole sentence in there where you said you were going to teach her that. Bah.
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May 10, 2012 16:09
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JerryLee posted:Was it just a general crash or is there actually some corner case in the code where that particular combination causes a crash? I'm guessing it's just a general crash where I just mis-clicked the wrong pixel while selecting the convoke cost or something, but I haven't had a chance to setup another test to be sure. It'd be pretty hilarious if it was that specific though, I put it all in the compensation request, so maybe we'll see.
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May 10, 2012 16:23
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Something I need to learn better is when to know to dump a color since its getting picked clean by everyone else at the table. Usually by the time I realize I'm fighting with four other people it's too late and I've passed some good stuff from a color I wasn't planning on playing.
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May 10, 2012 16:36
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^^^^Key example: B/R in DII.Jet Set Jettison posted:Any tips for teaching someone how to draft?
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Radish posted:Something I need to learn better is when to know to dump a color since its getting picked clean by everyone else at the table. Usually by the time I realize I'm fighting with four other people it's too late and I've passed some good stuff from a color I wasn't planning on playing. What are some good ways to notice things like that?
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