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The dying days of WCW was such a rollercoaster. I was just getting into online dirtsheets at the time, and there was so much random news & info around. "Bischoff is moments away from announcing the Fusient purchase of WCW!"
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tzirean posted:Raw the same night. Ahhh, so in the second hour?
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May 9, 2012 20:27
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MassRayPer posted:And Terry Taylor. I did not know that. Was he?
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May 9, 2012 20:53
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:I did not know that. Was he? Yes because when Russo and Ferrara left Vince made all workers sign one year non-compete contracts and Taylor refused, got fired and left to WCW.
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May 9, 2012 21:02
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Frot Lesnar posted:Yes because when Russo and Ferrara left Vince made all workers sign one year non-compete contracts and Taylor refused, got fired and left to WCW. TNA?
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May 9, 2012 21:12
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:TNA? No, WCW.
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May 9, 2012 21:33
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Was that an angle, or genuine fallout from his fleeing the company for half a million in that Chyna match? It wasn't half a million. He got his PPV bonuses up front and a substantial payout for the match with Chyna, but no where close to half a million.
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May 9, 2012 21:49
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Was that an angle, or genuine fallout from his fleeing the company for half a million in that Chyna match? Now it's super possible Russo conspired have Jarrett remain as IC champion after his contract ran out. Even though it falls on McMahon for letting that happen. This is the man who forgot to renew The Rock's contract and let him walk in 2004. ...But then McMahon re-hired Russo for a week in the mid 00s so how much bad blood could there really be with Jarrett?
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May 9, 2012 21:49
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El Duke posted:No, WCW. Jesus, did I ever misread that one.
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May 9, 2012 21:54
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Ktik posted:Ahhh, so in the second hour? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50KqJrpykQI On the official WWE YouTube channel no less. Oh Vince.
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May 9, 2012 23:29
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:...But then McMahon re-hired Russo for a week in the mid 00s so how much bad blood could there really be with Jarrett? I imagine alot if Vince feels like he was slighted while doing a favor. I think that's the key between things like Russo and Macho Man. There's a big difference between some rear end in a top hat leaving to fall on his face and somebody he considers a friend walking away from what he thinks is a sweet deal.
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May 10, 2012 00:09
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RBX posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50KqJrpykQI Ahhhhhhhahahahahahahah. I love Vince. Love him!
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May 10, 2012 01:51
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Sporadic posted:There's a big difference between some rear end in a top hat leaving to fall on his face Leave Owen out of this.
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May 10, 2012 05:09
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coconono posted:I really wish WWE wouldn't sit so tight on the tape libraries and put together an actual best of wrestling in WCW comp instead of all the gaga matches they seem to love so.
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May 10, 2012 10:53
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Memento1979 posted:This has always been a McMahon Ego™ thing to me - Vince going "NO! Don't ever put the good WCW matches out, I want everyone to think that they were always just a bunch of comedy shitcarters! WCW was never good! WCW was never good!" *violently rocks back and forth* I am truly interested in how the company will handle this stuff once Vince retires/dies. Triple H obviously loves all wrestling and if he's in charge, I can see him bringing back War Games almost immediately. I know Stephanie will probably assume a lot of control, but if Triple H is very high up and allowed to be in charge of some of this stuff, I can see the DVDs and general acknowledgement of history getting much, much better.
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May 10, 2012 13:55
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Memento1979 posted:This has always been a McMahon Ego™ thing to me - Vince going "NO! Don't ever put the good WCW matches out, I want everyone to think that they were always just a bunch of comedy shitcarters! WCW was never good! WCW was never good!" *violently rocks back and forth* Well, the WCW Ruins Everything part of Are You Serious? was great.
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May 10, 2012 15:01
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Memento1979 posted:This has always been a McMahon Ego™ thing to me - Vince going "NO! Don't ever put the good WCW matches out, I want everyone to think that they were always just a bunch of comedy shitcarters! WCW was never good! WCW was never good!" *violently rocks back and forth* It's not even that. Who put on the good matches? The cruiser-weights? They don't draw, who would pay to see them? Meanwhile, UFC smiles while walking to the bank.
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May 10, 2012 15:24
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I recently re-watched the April 2000 reboot episode to get a general feel for Russo's WCW. WCW got me into wrestling; there was an hour-long show on Channel 5 every Friday that a school friend and I would watch, going ape over Crowbar, wondering why the title changed hands so regularly and thinking how cool it was that they had real crows on the set for Sting's entrance. So I was, erm, pretty young then and having been interested in pro wrestling again quite recently, I decided to see how my fond memories could be changed. I don't know, like other posters here say you get all these hints that there are decent ideas all over the place only for them to be expressed just plain weirdly. Like, the reboot episode begins with the New Blood all angry in the ring, all ready to make a standand get their voices heard. It's cool that this, in theory, acts against the ridiculous backstage politics hierarchy WCW had for so many years, but at the same time... they're all just presented as the same nameless midcarders with only a few exceptions. It's more accurate to describe the whole thing in retrospect as a vehicle for Jeff Jarrett and I think I'm of the school that obviously respects the man but is far from likely to shriek, "Wow, Jeff Jarrett is there? I'm so in!". I do however like his THE CHOSEN ONE entrance music. It's so WCW. Geez, I could write some more about the questionable feuds and such that show set up. For now though, I'll just say that my favourite part was Shawn Stasiak making his debut and the announcers selling him by reminding us that he was Meat in WWE. I can just imagine Russo getting this during a brainstorm, grinning to himself, and proclaiming himself a genius for making it so Stasiak really hit the ground running. Also, I have a question for you wrestling boffs. Was the reboot episode the debut of the Kevin Nash success formula of "arrive, talk about Scott Hall, leave", or was he doing it before then? I've had a look but maybe I'm just dumb or something.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Also, I have a question for you wrestling boffs. Was the reboot episode the debut of the Kevin Nash success formula of "arrive, talk about Scott Hall, leave", or was he doing it before then? I've had a look but maybe I'm just dumb or something. I know he'd been doing it since December of 1999 when the nWo reformed again and Scott Hall wasn't around, but he was probably doing it before that whenever Scott Hall wasn't at a show
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May 19, 2012 18:05
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I know the NWO had about 392 different members, but can anyone here run down maybe why, real life or wrestling life, reasons why they joined that group? Like why the hell did Macho Man join them after feuding with them for a year? Why was Bryan Adams a member? Why did they let Stevie Ray into the NWO? Here's the "original NWO" list: Hollywood Hogan Kevin Nash Scott Hall Ted DiBiase The Giant Vincent Syxx Buff Bagwell Miss Elizabeth nWo "Sting" Curt Hennig Konnan Nick Patrick Dennis Rodman V.K.Wallstreet Big Bubba Rogers Rick Rude Randy Savage Scott Steiner Scott Norton Brian Adams The Disciple
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May 19, 2012 21:27
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Ktik posted:I know the NWO had about 392 different members, but can anyone here run down maybe why, real life or wrestling life, reasons why they joined that group? Like why the hell did Macho Man join them after feuding with them for a year? Why was Bryan Adams a member? Why did they let Stevie Ray into the NWO?
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May 19, 2012 21:33
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I just find it insane that when some of these guys ended their feuds with the NWO, it meant it was now time to put them in. Dumb as WCW.
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I was listening to Mark Madden's radio show earlier this week(because I hate myself) and he said, I poo poo you not: "A few months after I left WCW, they went under. Connect the dots" Some dude also called in and told Mark he was a bigger draw than Davey Richards could ever dream of being.
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May 19, 2012 21:44
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Madden was over-the-top obnoxious as a heel announcer, worse than Cole ever was. About the only positive thing you could say about Madden is that he was never involved in his own angle (unless you count Tank Abbott beating him up that one time).
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May 19, 2012 22:36
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You forgot about Horace Boulder in your NWO list. I think Horace was initially part of Raven's flock until they realized he was Hogan's cousin and promptly had him join the NWO. There was also this weird period of time where NWO was made up almost entirely of midcarders and Stevie Ray was the leader. bartok fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 19, 2012 |
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May 19, 2012 23:28
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Chunky Delight posted:You forgot about Horace Boulder in your NWO list. I think Horace was initially part of Raven's flock until they realized he was Hogan's cousin and promptly had him join the NWO. That was during that time when the NWO was split up into two factions, where the wolfpac was the uppercarders and the black and white were the "B-team".
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May 19, 2012 23:40
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Chunky Delight posted:You forgot about Horace Boulder in your NWO list. I think Horace was initially part of Raven's flock until they realized he was Hogan's cousin and promptly had him join the NWO. I only copied the original NWO. Horace joined in the second incarnation (after the fingerpoke of doom) along with Disco Inferno. My list was NWO Hollywood, you're thinking of NWO Elite (Hogan, Nash, ect) and NWO B-Team (jobbers).
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May 19, 2012 23:41
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Wikipedia does a good job at breaking it down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(professional_wrestling)#List_of_incarnations_and_members
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May 20, 2012 01:28
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Ktik posted:I only copied the original NWO. Horace joined in the second incarnation (after the fingerpoke of doom) along with Disco Inferno. My list was NWO Hollywood, you're thinking of NWO Elite (Hogan, Nash, ect) and NWO B-Team (jobbers). You're right. Fingerpoke of doom was around the time when I switched to watching Raw live and recording Nitro and would fast forward through most of the promos. So is V.K. Wallstreet just Mike Rotunda reprising his Michael Wallstreet gimmick with an added jab at Vince McMahon?
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Ktik posted:I know the NWO had about 392 different members, but can anyone here run down maybe why, real life or wrestling life, reasons why they joined that group? Like why the hell did Macho Man join them after feuding with them for a year? Why was Bryan Adams a member? Why did they let Stevie Ray into the NWO? The NWO was a WWF invasion of WCW in all but name.
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Ktik posted:I only copied the original NWO. Horace joined in the second incarnation (after the fingerpoke of doom) along with Disco Inferno. My list was NWO Hollywood, you're thinking of NWO Elite (Hogan, Nash, ect) and NWO B-Team (jobbers). Horace joined before that, during the Warrior/Hogan feud.
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I posted:Notice a pattern? Nearly all ex-WWF stars. Well yeah that was the point... or did you not realize before?
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Lone Rogue posted:Well yeah that was the point... or did you not realize before?
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Astro7x posted:Wikipedia does a good job at breaking it down: The Giant (departed), Curt Hennig (kicked out of the group), Vincent (left), Scott Norton (left), Brian Adams (kicked out of the group), Horace Hogan, Stevie Ray (leader, left) I'd like to imagine that somewhere and to this day, Horace Hogan is nestled in his bed, sleeping soundly in his nWo shirt which he refuses to take off.
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May 20, 2012 07:59
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Did they seriously do next to nothing with The Giant for the last few months in WCW?
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May 20, 2012 08:10
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Jack Krauser posted:Did they seriously do next to nothing with The Giant for the last few months in WCW? He didn't even put Nash over in the end. There was a ton of interference. Related: Jericho's last WCW match was a DQ loss. 
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May 20, 2012 09:07
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CVagts posted:Madden was over-the-top obnoxious as a heel announcer, worse than Cole ever was. About the only positive thing you could say about Madden is that he was never involved in his own angle (unless you count Tank Abbott beating him up that one time). I don't blame you for forgetting it, but he and Mean Gene had a terrible match on Thunder where you saw Madden's gross pasty white gut. You're welcome.
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Haha, Madden is so out of shape Mene Gene couldn't even hook his leg. Also, Mark Madden wasn't a heel announcer, he was himself.
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Got a good laugh out of Mean Gene flopping onto Madden's back and nearly sliding out of the ring while Madden tries to make a pin out of it.
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Ktik posted:I just find it insane that when some of these guys ended their feuds with the NWO, it meant it was now time to put them in. Dumb as WCW. Didn't in Jericho's book didn't he say that Nash wanted to put Jericho in the NWO that was a sign they wanted to destroy his heat?
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