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Zenostein posted:Is it reasonable to be a 2L and not give a gently caress about proper citations? Presently, I have citations like "Id. at GOD KNOWS" and my citations to a foreign court are basically their numbering system for cases, followed by "available at http://catindia.gov.in/Judgement.aspx" For the app. tribunal it'll depend on what reporter you're getting it from, but if you're getting it straight from the tribunal without a reporter and it has no reporter just cite it as a slip opinion with however it's demarcated and an available at. For the act, cite it as a primary sine you'll be giving the year of the enactment and then the year of the Acts of Parliament compilation to which you're citing, make sure the latter is one that has the amendment. Put an explanatory parenthetical pointing to the amendment.
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Zenostein posted:Is it reasonable to be a 2L and not give a gently caress about proper citations? Presently, I have citations like "Id. at GOD KNOWS" and my citations to a foreign court are basically their numbering system for cases, followed by "available at http://catindia.gov.in/Judgement.aspx" The Warszawa posted:For the app. tribunal it'll depend on what reporter you're getting it from, but if you're getting it straight from the tribunal without a reporter and it has no reporter just cite it as a slip opinion with however it's demarcated and an available at. As Posner famously said about the blue book: "Why the gently caress do we have the Bluebook giving us advice on how to cite to the Indian Cyber Appellate Tribunal?"[fn.1] Real people who actually practice law don't give a gently caress as long as you can reach the source. [1] This loving website: http://abovethelaw.com/2011/01/quote-of-the-day-judge-posner-benchslaps-the-bluebook/ BigHead fucked around with this message at 09:16 on May 10, 2012 |
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May 10, 2012 09:07
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BigHead posted:As Posner famously said about the blue book: "Why the gently caress do we have the Bluebook giving us advice on how to cite to the Indian Cyber Appellate Tribunal?"[fn.1] Real people who actually practice law don't give a gently caress as long as you can reach the source. I was one year off from actually Bluebooking that piece. Oh irony of ironies. Besides, he's writing for a prof (who probably doesn't care either).
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May 10, 2012 10:15
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The Warszawa posted:Besides, he's writing for a prof (who probably doesn't care either). What else does the prof have to care about?
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Zarkov Cortez posted:What else does the prof have to care about? Dude was like the director of tech services for the library. I kinda doubt he gives a poo poo; the only reason I do is 3 semesters of legal writing indoctrination.
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Zarkov Cortez posted:What else does the prof have to care about? Judging by their average note submissions, professors give even less of a poo poo about bluebooking than practitioners do.
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My least favorite thing about law school exams is the arbitrariness of grades/my complete inability to predict my scores. I just got out of Copyright, and I know I wasn't clueless, but that's about it. I've walked out of exams thinking I had a lot of interesting stuff to say and gotten a B. And 2 out of 3 of my best grades completely surprised me. Putting it out of my mind wouldn't be so bad if it didn't take a month for grades to hit. Bah.
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AKMoose posted:My least favorite thing about law school exams is the arbitrariness of grades/my complete inability to predict my scores. I just got out of Copyright, and I know I wasn't clueless, but that's about it. I've walked out of exams thinking I had a lot of interesting stuff to say and gotten a B. And 2 out of 3 of my best grades completely surprised me. Putting it out of my mind wouldn't be so bad if it didn't take a month for grades to hit. Bah. It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Just let go.
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AKMoose posted:My least favorite thing about law school exams is the arbitrariness of grades/my complete inability to predict my scores. I just got out of Copyright, and I know I wasn't clueless, but that's about it. I've walked out of exams thinking I had a lot of interesting stuff to say and gotten a B. And 2 out of 3 of my best grades completely surprised me. Putting it out of my mind wouldn't be so bad if it didn't take a month for grades to hit. Bah. Everyone but people on law review for grades has this problem. Don't worry about it.
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God drat the law is such loving bullshit sometimes. A dentist lies about doing work (as in he charged for it and didn't do it) and I need an expert report to go after him. gently caress.
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CaptainScraps posted:God drat the law is such loving bullshit sometimes. If it weren't all you lawyers, all of our health care would be cheaper!
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Two of my friends just posted on Facebook about going to law school. I said congrats, buuut...
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Hey guys, real quick stupid question about my disastrous lack of a legal career. (If it matters, I'm in Illinois.) Regarding CLE requirements, is there any reason not to do CLE classes via webinar/other online means? I have every intention of legitimately attempting to learn from whatever I do and it doesn't sound like there's any real method of discerning whether you learned a drat thing from CLE, but will someone in the state bar association/state Supreme Court's office look at my verification funny if it's an online CLE provider?
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Jefepato posted:Hey guys, real quick stupid question about my disastrous lack of a legal career. (If it matters, I'm in Illinois.) That said, in person you'll generally learn more.
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Jefepato posted:Hey guys, real quick stupid question about my disastrous lack of a legal career. (If it matters, I'm in Illinois.) I meet old trial lawyers at CLEs and try to seduce them with my youthful charm so they send me cases.
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May 11, 2012 02:10
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CaptainScraps posted:I meet old trial lawyers at CLEs and try to seduce them with my youthful charm so they send me cases. That's a good strategy - what's the ratio of blowjobs to client referrals?
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nm posted:In terms of getting hours, no, as long as there aren't limits on how much you can do online. Its also a good excuse to get out of the office for a weekend or whatever.
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May 11, 2012 02:29
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Yeah, I just got a 4 day weekend and a free trip to San Francisco (from socal) out of training. Yay!
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entris posted:That's a good strategy - what's the ratio of blowjobs to client referrals? So is this based on real life...? 
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Jefepato posted:will someone in the state bar association/state Supreme Court's office look at my verification funny if it's an online CLE provider? No one cares if it is online and I'm pretty sure it is all on the honor system in Illinois anyway (i.e. no one will know they were online credits unless they audit you). There are also roughly 6 free CLE hours on the Illinois ARDC website you can watch as well. However, if you're newly admitted there is a specific intro course you need to do, so you'd only meet other newly admitted if you did it in person. Only 20 more hours to go by the end of June for me.
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Jefepato posted:Hey guys, real quick stupid question about my disastrous lack of a legal career. (If it matters, I'm in Illinois.) In Nebraska we can only get about half of our hours through webinars and the like. As far behind as we usually are on these types of things, I assumed that every state had similar limits. Is that not true?
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urnisme posted:In Nebraska we can only get about half of our hours through webinars and the like. As far behind as we usually are on these types of things, I assumed that every state had similar limits. Is that not true? No, Minnesota does not have that limitation.
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SlyFrog posted:No, Minnesota does not have that limitation. Wisconsin doesn't either. I think they can reject them though if they don't think it applies. Minnesota did that to me once when I took a CLE sponsored by the WI Bar that MN didn't want to allow when I tried to use it there (I used to be admiited in both states). They eventually did but it was a hassle. I'm inactive on my bar license now that I don't practice anymore, so I don't have to do CLEs. There's a motion in the WI Supreme Court to try to allow paralegal instructors in the state system to get credit for teaching like the law school professors get. If we do, then I might go back active again so I can so side stuff for family and friends. But I'm not paying for CLEs on my own.
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Last law school exam (Securities Regulation) in 30mins. Went through the E&E twice, did all the practice problems provided by the professor, and read over Law Review outlines 3 times a day. Probably just going to get a C, but I don't care.
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William Munny posted:Last law school exam (Securities Regulation) in 30mins. Went through the E&E twice, did all the practice problems provided by the professor, and read over Law Review outlines 3 times a day. Probably just going to get a C, but I don't care. Law school grading karma dictates the good grades will got to people who skipped every lecture and were thinking "What's a security?" about a week ago.
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Seeing some of my contemporaries graduating made me reflect on my own near-miss with law school. I started posting in this thread nearly four years ago when I thought I wanted to go to law school but didn't really know why or what being a lawyer meant or anything really. And because of the remonstrations contained herein I eventually turned down a full ride at a T-1 school and took a job instead. It's now three years later. I've loved every minute of my job. It affords me incredible creativity, learning experiences, and wonderful grounded connection with real people. After taking a few classes paid for by work, last month I was admitted to a top masters program in my field, with full funding (tuition + stipend) so I don't need to borrow a dime. Best of all, work is giving me a sabbatical to complete it, with no strings attached, so I can come back if I want. Basically I'll spend the next year being paid to work on pathbreaking media policy research, get my masters from an elite university, and then can return to my beloved job if I so choose. Literally every single day over the last three years I have thought, at least once, "thank god I didn't go to law school." So thank you, thread, for helping me make that decision. And to anyone else who is considering law school: don't go. There are other options. And often they are very awesome. Petey fucked around with this message at 02:24 on May 12, 2012 |
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Petey posted:Seeing some of my contemporaries graduating made me reflect on my own near-miss with law school. I am going to wear your skin, don't you see? You've done all the work for me; now I will step into your shoes very quite literally so and life... life will be amazing, the air so fresh, the light so bright... yes.
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tau posted:I am going to wear your skin, don't you see? You've done all the work for me; now I will step into your shoes very quite literally so and life... life will be amazing, the air so fresh, the light so bright... yes. All this post did was make me realize how much I miss Mookie
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and yet, at the end of the day, you will always be something different from us, lacking rights of audience and never to be a qualified member of the legal community.
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Petey posted:Basically I'll spend the next year being paid to work on pathbreaking media policy research, get my masters from an elite university, and then can return to my beloved job if I so choose. Where you going? And congrats, glad you're happy with the choice. I just graduated today and on the whole I enjoyed my time and I'm looking forward to work (not the bar but whatever) but we'll see how long this all lasts.
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DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on?
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Colorblind Pilot posted:DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on? Spoiler alert: It's not worth being done with 1L drop out now
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Colorblind Pilot posted:DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on? Yes, it is. You will not want to do it, and you will hate the person who created it, but do it anyway.
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Colorblind Pilot posted:DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on? At my school at least, more people beat themselves than actually completed the write-on and failed. Like 150 people picked up packets but only like 60 turned them in. I went to kind of a poo poo school though so ymmv.
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Colorblind Pilot posted:DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on? I've already finished law school as previously noted (bad idea, I know, I know), and I have no idea what you mean by "write-on."
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William Munny posted:Last law school exam (Securities Regulation) in 30mins. Went through the E&E twice, did all the practice problems provided by the professor, and read over Law Review outlines 3 times a day. Probably just going to get a C, but I don't care. Gunner
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Jefepato posted:I've already finished law school as previously noted (bad idea, I know, I know), and I have no idea what you mean by "write-on." At most schools if you don't get on law review via grades you can enter a writing competition to try to get on during 1L summer.
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Petey posted:Seeing some of my contemporaries graduating made me reflect on my own near-miss with law school. petey can we start an internet business together again because our last one had a 20000% earnings ratio
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Colorblind Pilot posted:DOONE with 1L! Is it worth doing the write-on? Don't do it, it's a trick. If you do well, it means more work.
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