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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:To be fair, I think Soejima's artbook work was worlds better than some of the in-game portraits (not that they were bad or anything). Yukari and Aigis come to mind as having some wonky faces. For some reason the P3P portraits that show when you do an all out attack in battle look really amateurish and static to me. I'm assuming that a different artist than Soejima drew those.
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Soejima's characters have really weird necks and heads.Nessa posted:This has me incredibly confused. You're saying that the artist who designs respectful looking female characters is "off-putting" and the one who draws fanservice is great?       "Respectful looking female characters" (I was gonna say "You should play Stella Deus but I realized that would have come across as really mean because no one should play Stella Deus) TurnipFritter fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 10, 2012 |
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It's apparently always a little nippy where those women are. Should really layer up.
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Morpheus posted:It's apparently always a little nippy where those women are. Should really layer up. To be fair, some of the dudes have oddly nipple-centric costumes as well: 
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Nessa posted:This has me incredibly confused. You're saying that the artist who designs respectful looking female characters is "off-putting" and the one who draws fanservice is great? I'm saying that i prefer Suzuhito's style. Sheesh, don't put words in my mouth like that. I do respect Soejima for not hypersexualizing his female characters (and as mentioned i would really appreciate it if Suzuhito wasn't such a sleazebag), but his art style just isn't really my thing. Suzuhito makes some very problematic design decisions, yes, but i like his style otherwise. Most rational people often take multiple factors into account for things like this!
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May 10, 2012 21:38
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Technique posted:I'm saying that i prefer Suzuhito's style. Sheesh, don't put words in my mouth like that. I do respect Soejima for not hypersexualizing his female characters (and as mentioned i would really appreciate it if Suzuhito wasn't such a sleazebag), but his art style just isn't really my thing. Suzuhito makes some very problematic design decisions, yes, but i like his style otherwise. Most rational people often take multiple factors into account for things like this! Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. What exactly is it about the art style that you don't like? From what I've seen, it's nearly the exact same style Suzuhito's. I'm more used to American comic art, where the difference between artists can be rather vast and obvious.
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Nessa posted:Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. I wouldn't say that they're nearly exact at all. Soejima has a better grasp of anatomy and plastic forms, whereas Suzuhito is a lot more flat and anime-like (anime-like meaning it's more animation-friendly because it is simplified, rather than manga or game concept art). I don't think unique stylization is exclusive to American comic art.
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Nessa posted:Sorry, didn't mean to put words into your mouth. It's just a personal stylistic preference, i can't really put my finger on it.
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Neeksy posted:I don't think unique stylization is exclusive to American comic art. I never said it was. I just mean that I can tell the difference between Liefeld and Darwyn Cooke more easily. Speaking of, I consider Darwyn Cooke's art to be in the same style as Bruce Timm's art. Very subtle differences. But I would be equally confused by someone saying that they loved Timm's art, but couldn't stand Cooke's. Anyway, to end the derail, I really liked the Persona 4 Visual Data book. I always love seeing concept art and how characters were originally envisioned.
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Say, how much leeway do you get to max everyone's Fate? I've been following a guide to the letter, and just completed wednesday, but Ronaldo didn't rank up when the guide said he should. 
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If I remember right some events are bugged in the English version and don't rankup when they did in the Japanese version, the game will correct itself at the next "check everyone's rank" trigger.
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Technique posted:Say, how much leeway do you get to max everyone's Fate? I've been following a guide to the letter, and just completed wednesday, but Ronaldo didn't rank up when the guide said he should. There's not much leeway for getting everyone to rank 5 in a single playthrough, but it's not too hard to get everyone to rank 4, which is the highest requirement for any plot stuff. The only thing 5 gets you is the ability to fuse each character's ultimate demon.
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http://gematsu.com/2012/05/persona-5-or-shin-megami-tensei-4-hashinos-next-numbered-title-will-soon-hit-production Good news everyone, they might start making another game soon. Maybe.
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Bland posted:http://gematsu.com/2012/05/persona-5-or-shin-megami-tensei-4-hashinos-next-numbered-title-will-soon-hit-production quote:Persona 5 or Shin Megami Tensei 4 Wait. Strange Journey...wasn't SMT 4!?
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Dogbutt posted:Wait. Strange Journey...wasn't SMT 4!? There is that thing with "only games set in Tokyo can be counted as SMT" or something like that, right?
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May 12, 2012 18:14
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Strange Journey felt like a retelling of the original Shin Megami Tensei to me with a potentially happier ending.
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Bernardo Orel posted:There is that thing with "only games set in Tokyo can be counted as SMT" or something like that, right? Nah, you're misremembering (or maybe I am.) Only mainline SMT games get the SMT logo and name in Japan. Persona et al don't. Strange Journey did in fact have it, which is why I (and that other guy) thought Strange Journey was SMT4.
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It's only the article itself that brings up SMT4, the actual quote just says 'the next numbered title' which has gotta mean P5. I wouldn't really take this as evidence that SJ isn't SMT4.
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I seem to recall reading that code inside of SJ refers to SMT4. I think they intended it and changed it at the last minute for some reason. Considering SJ was really clearly an attempt to reach out to American fans (adult characters, the protagonist being American in the American version, a non-Japanese setting, ect), I feel like they didn't want to risk people going "SMT4?! Where's the others?" since Nocturne was just SMT: Nocturne in the US. They could have just changed the name for the US release but who knows?
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Regarding all this art discussion, you guys realize that Kaneko also has a lot of anatomy problems and uses the same faces all the time too, right? It's just that 1) his anatomy issues aren't as glaring, 2) no one cares about the faces because they're so ~stylized~ 3) he's got a million other things going on in the images so you don't notice. I mean, don't get me wrong I like Kaneko too and he REALLY improved on all of this for Strange Journey but he really isn't all that much better, save for having a lot of ~style~ Not only that but I found some of the designs in P2 to be some of the ugliest designs I have ever seen in the franchise. I think he's better off staying out of the Persona series if it's going to continue to have the kind of setting the past games have all had. He's really way better off when he's working on something similar to Nocturne, DDS or even the Raidou games. Something where his style fits in much better. Although over all I think we're better off getting rid of static portraits all together. Kaneko's style looks best as graphics because they fix up all the anatomy in the character models and the character's faces change. Catherine looked better than Persona 3 and 4 for me because of this too. Soejima's style looked great there I thought.
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Bland posted:http://gematsu.com/2012/05/persona-5-or-shin-megami-tensei-4-hashinos-next-numbered-title-will-soon-hit-production The article's had a correction added, which confirmed what I was thinking while reading it: this is old news. It's information from last August's Famitsu.
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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:The article's had a correction added, which confirmed what I was thinking while reading it: this is old news. It's information from last August's Famitsu. Which, as the article notes, is a good thing: it means the next main-series or Persona game has been in "full tilt development" for 8 or 9 months if he was telling the truth. EDIT: Come on E3 reveal
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Just started my first Megami Tensei game, Persona 3, after being intrigued by the Giantbomb Endurance run. I'm only a couple hours in, but good so far and I definitely see why this got a M rating. That cutscene when you use your persona for the first time is pretty  I'm playing FES by the way, not portable.
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Atlus is obviously gonna announce Persona 4-2 at E3. It only makes sense. Also, am i the only who really hates Ronaldo?  I thought he'd be more sympathetic when i was doing more of his events in my NG+, but it only makes him seem like a bigger dick. No way am i going to bother doing his ending, even though i'll try to get all the others.
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So wait hold on There are people on the internet working on a soundtrack for Persona 5...a game that does not exist and even if it did would 100% not use any of the music they created. Why
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:So wait hold on Because it's neat? Besides, they're only putting together songs that already exist, they aren't actually MAKING anything. It's just a fun little "hey, wouldn't this be neat?" kinda deal. I like it.
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Technique posted:Also, am i the only who really hates Ronaldo? Yeah this whole "selflessly helping out the starving, powerless masses" gig is so laughable. I don't know about you guys but in an apocalypse scenario I'd totally be an alpha survivor -- I learned all about doomsday survival from Left 4 Dead so helping people? gently caress that.
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Ronaldo comes across as a dick because you spend most of your time with JPs and so he's often opposed to you. It's really easy to forget that JPs is run by a guy who created an organization in order to alter the entire world to be what he wants and murders everyone who gets in his way. Rolando is an rear end in a top hat but that is because he is fighting a dedicated organization of assholes with nothing but a bunch of civilians and some cell phones.
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As far as I know, Hashino has always been more involved with the Persona franchise than any of the other SMT branches, although a quick Google of his credits indicates he was fairly prominent in the original DDS. Still, I can only assume that the 'numbered sequel' referred to in that article is Persona 5, and if it hit full production last August we'll hopefully hear more about it soon. I wouldn't expect news at E3 though, Atlus probably wouldn't do a product reveal at an American trade show. They've always kind of marched to their own beat with game reveals anyway; I remember Strange Journey was revealed in a Japanese gaming magazine in September the year before it came out, almost directly between E3 and TGS. It seems like they just push the news out whenever they feel prepared regardless of whatever events may be going on around them. The Atlus game I really want to know more about at E3 is Etrian Odyssey 4. Give me an English release date, I want more RPGs on my 3DS drat it!
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Grozz Nuy posted:As far as I know, Hashino has always been more involved with the Persona franchise than any of the other SMT branches, although a quick Google of his credits indicates he was fairly prominent in the original DDS. He also directed Nocturne, but I agree that it's probably Persona 5.
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How far am I to the end of Eternal Punishment? I'm on the Torifune spaceship and I just beat metal Jun, Lisa and Eikichi Seriously though, Persona 2's story is incredible. If it was a better playing game I would probably say it's the best SMT game but it's still in my top 3.
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Cityinthesea posted:How far am I to the end of Eternal Punishment? I'm on the Torifune spaceship and I just beat metal Jun, Lisa and Eikichi I think there's two more dungeons after you finish that one? The final dungeon is pretty long, but you can pretty much skip the entire next one if you know how to solve the puzzle.
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Boneless Jogger posted:He also directed Nocturne, but I agree that it's probably Persona 5. Huh? I thought Nocturne's director was Cozy Okada.
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TurnipFritter posted:I think there's two more dungeons after you finish that one? The final dungeon is pretty long, but you can pretty much skip the entire next one if you know how to solve the puzzle. Yeah, that's true. But there's some decent treasure in there and by the you should have the Golden Apple anyway. (get Hastur, hit up the fifth area of the Bomb Shelter for Byakyees, get really good reward) Note that you get dragged straight into the final dungeon at the end of the penultimate one, so you might want to hit any shops beforehand. You can get out of the final dungeon, but it takes awhile.
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Man, Beelzebub just does not give a gently caress. Does fighting him count against the No Free Battles achievement?
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Technique posted:Man, Beelzebub just does not give a gently caress. Does fighting him count against the No Free Battles achievement? As far as I know, optional bosses don't count against the Free Battles achievement. I'm not positive though.
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