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Urban Space Cowboy posted:You're all wrong. Antimony's a teenager nearing adulthood, remember? Kamlen is masculine and sensual. Ms. Jones is androgynous and wears sensible shoes. This is a metaphor for Antimony's sexual indecision. Should she be more like Bill Clinton, or more like Hilary Clinton. The question all girls have to ask themselves at some point.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Should she be more like Bill Clinton, or more like Hilary Clinton. The question all girls have to ask themselves at some point.
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Wili posted:Jones cannot represent the Court, she is defined several times as a free agent. I think Jones can only be representing herself.
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I dunno, I think if Annie's mind wanted to pick something that represented the court it'd probably be Kat.
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Cabbit posted:I dunno, I think if Annie's mind wanted to pick something that represented the court it'd probably be Kat. I'm not too certain about that. While Kat definitely has an affinity for all things technical, her experiences regarding Diego and the old robots seem to have made her a fair bit more apprehensive about the Court itself.
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DaveWoo posted:Of course! Gunnerkrigg Court is actually an allegory for American politics in the 1990s! It all fits together! The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Batman's Shameful Secret > Gunnerkrigg Court: Actually an allegory for American politics in the 1990s That said, I'm in the Jones-as-a-neutrality-representation thing. I'm half-expecting to see Kat show up in the next update. Of course, given how these things are going, that half-expectation also includes: - Zimmy touches Kat, Kat starts seeing the vision too - Kat shows up half naked - Hilarity ensues Perestroika posted:I'm not too certain about that. While Kat definitely has an affinity for all things technical, her experiences regarding Diego and the old robots seem to have made her a fair bit more apprehensive about the Court itself. I think it would be fair to say Kat's on the Court end of Neutral. Despite having misgivings about the management, as it were, I think she'd be uncomfortable with the forest in general and she is very tech-minded. Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 18:05 on May 14, 2012 |
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Cabbit posted:I dunno, I think if Annie's mind wanted to pick something that represented the court it'd probably be Kat. I'd expect Jimmy Jims myself.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:That is certainly true of the real Jones, but I'm not sure Antimony sees her that way. Annie definitely doesn't see Jones as a representative of the Court
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Probably not as a representative of the Court, no. But as a representative of Annie's obligations and futur duties as a mediating agent? Forced to cast away emotions and preferences for her job? Maybe so.
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I'm reading this page as less of a "Court/Forest" thing and more of a "personal development" thing. At the time Annie went to the forest, she had just literally blown up at the court and her teachers, her emotions were raging out of control, and she was being overwhelmed by new feelings. On top of all this, she's introduced to her first summer romance with this exotic green dude after a lifetime in a cold, sterile hospital. Given her family history and emotional inexperience, there was a real chance of things getting out of hand (and then things getting set on fire). Jones, recognizing this, approaches Annie and gives her some training in social interaction: Don't wear your heart on your sleeve, be careful with your emotions, cultivate a public face. Maybe this cools Kamlen's interest, as he's attracted to the raw, unsuppressed fire? Look at Annie and Jack's interaction after she returns from the forest. She's wearing her mask and stretching her muscles, trying to be scheming and manipulative towards him. Only she isn't very good at it yet, and he's got some baggage going on that throws her for a loop. Most of post-forest Antimony's interactions have been with Kat, who she is comfortable enough with to be completely open. I would expect that, going forward, her dealings with those outside her immediate circle of friends are more likely to be guarded and reminiscent of pre-forest Annie. Among those she is comfortable and trusting of, we'll see more of her newly awakened fire. --- Or maybe the comic is completely literal and Jones is handing Antimony a mask for the big festival that evening. Jones is undressed because she's changing into her costume, and Kamlen is leaving so that Annie can get changed.
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MikeJF posted:Zimmy's surprise at Kat not being able to see this makes me think that most would get some hint; and Kat's just really Ether-insensitive. Sorry, this is from last page but I thought I'd add an interesting tid bit: You may remember that during the first Zimmy reality warp at the power station Kat was not pulled in like Annie, Jack and the rest. The Kat they saw was just an illusion.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Noooo Annie, don't do it!
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Did you know? I was a wallet once!
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Rannos22 posted:Sorry, this is from last page but I thought I'd add an interesting tid bit: None of the others were. Only Jack, Annie, Zimmy and Gamma were.
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Rasamune posted:Did you know? I was a wallet once! Holy poo poo, that's rad as hell.
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Rasamune posted:Did you know? I was a wallet once! If you put money in it, do you just hear laughter as it disappears?
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So how does all this tie back into the chapter title
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Oh, I get it. The mask is a happy face, she was upset when she went into the forest, but when she returned, she wore a happy face.
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Something else to notice is that the forest spirits in the background are smiling until she's given the mask where they frown, and then when she puts the mask on they're gone entirely.
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Nettle Soup posted:Oh, I get it. The mask is a happy face, she was upset when she went into the forest, but when she returned, she wore a happy face. Hm. Based on the spirit disappearance, I'm reading the mask as "pretend to be court person", myself. She looked pretty legit happy when she got back from the forest in the first place.
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I'm wondering if this is all a distraction actually, with the spider at the start signalling that this is all because Jack did something to the blinker stone when she handed it to him.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Noooo Annie, don't do it! Antimony Antimony It all makes sense now!
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Fangz posted:I'm wondering if this is all a distraction actually, with the spider at the start signalling that this is all because Jack did something to the blinker stone when she handed it to him. I don't get what else Jack would want with Annie, is the thing. I'm pretty sure that chapter is closed.
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Rasamune posted:I don't get what else Jack would want with Annie, is the thing. I'm pretty sure that chapter is closed. To get closer to Zimmy?
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Fangz posted:I'm wondering if this is all a distraction actually, with the spider at the start signalling that this is all because Jack did something to the blinker stone when she handed it to him. The spiders aren't a Jack thing, they're a Zimmy thing. More specifically, its implied they're a separate entity trying to get out of Zimmy's...uh, problems.
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Rasamune posted:Did you know? I was a wallet once! I'll take ten!
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President Ark posted:I'll take ten! Thanks to that link on Tom's tumblr I am about to drop many dollars on a custom wallet design. I don't regret this. Tom, I thank you but my bank account curses you.
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So I marathoned the comic last week and caught up before I knew it. Towards the more recent updates I saw that Tom quit his job to do the comic full time and there was some kind of news surrounding that which is no longer posted on the site. Can someone tell me what that news was?
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DaveKap posted:So I marathoned the comic last week and caught up before I knew it. Towards the more recent updates I saw that Tom quit his job to do the comic full time and there was some kind of news surrounding that which is no longer posted on the site. Can someone tell me what that news was? That's what the news was. There was a page for it along with a silly little drawing that parodied the Wikipedia PLESE HALP banners, but I guess he took it away. It was pretty funny looking, so that's a shame.
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Geekner posted:hahahahahaha Hey, the old image and link still work. Sweet
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This is going to be sweet tender chapter, isn't it? Also, wasn't the gardener the guy from chapter 24? AKA Bob of Young's Park?
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I know it's been a while, but I still can't get over this pigeon that's just planted itself to Kat's head. It's just an awesome juxtaposition; we have all this deep and meaningful dream symbolism and also headpigeon.
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So when she removes the mask she starts wearing Zimmy's real world clothes? And what the hell is Zimmy wearing with that collar and the red streaks in her hair? It's not her Birmingham clothes because that has no collar, and it's not the same collar as her real world clothes. Also the pigeon doesn't even know it's a pigeon on Kat's head. And what is that red stuff on them? The only thing that I think I understand is Annie crying because a) Kat is there and b) she could remove the mask, nothing else makes sense at all pik_d fucked around with this message at 08:18 on May 16, 2012 |
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pik_d posted:So when she removes the mask she starts wearing Zimmy's real world clothes? And what the hell is Zimmy wearing with that collar and the red streaks in her hair? It's not her Birmingham clothes because that has no collar, and it's not the same collar as her real world clothes. Pretty sure she's just wearing the clothes she was wearing on the tree scene, not Zimmy's clothes.
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pik_d posted:So when she removes the mask she starts wearing Zimmy's real world clothes? And what the hell is Zimmy wearing with that collar and the red streaks in her hair? It's not her Birmingham clothes because that has no collar, and it's not the same collar as her real world clothes. Isn't that just the school uniform?
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YF-23 posted:Pretty sure she's just wearing the clothes she was wearing on the tree scene, not Zimmy's clothes. Zimmy's real world clothes are the same as the others but without the brown sweater vest, which disappears as Annie removes the mask
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My hand isnt being held and its scary!
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YF-23 posted:Pretty sure she's just wearing the clothes she was wearing on the tree scene, not Zimmy's clothes.
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So the mask represents Annie repressing her emotions. When she was at the fruit tree with Kat was really the first time we saw her really express her feelings. When she went to the forest she also stopped repressing her emotions, she'd just blown up at Reynard, then she continued letting out her emotions when she stayed in the forest. Why Jones gave her the mask I'm not sure. Maybe her time with Jones has helped her recognise that when she has her emotional mask on she's more like Jones the (not a) robot than she is like normal people. Or something. Thats what I take from it anyway. fake edit: Also if you look in the final panel Kat looks worried but Annie is smiling.
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pik_d posted:So when she removes the mask she starts wearing Zimmy's real world clothes? And what the hell is Zimmy wearing with that collar and the red streaks in her hair? It's not her Birmingham clothes becausei that has no collar, and it's not the same collar as her real world clothes. As others have said, she's just wearing her school uniform from that scene from way back, when Annie first broke her emotionless mask and wept for her mum. Red stuff is cherry juices, cause they were eating cherries in that cherry tree they're under. Dirty clothes from climbing and falling said tree. The rest of this is my own speculation but I'm pretty confident of it, the red streaks in Zimmy's hair are a projection of her desire to have Annie's life, which she is very jealous of(a good friend you can really physically speak with, not seen as a demon, [mostly] in control of her powers, important to the court, surrogate family, i can go on) we saw last time they were all stuck in Zimmy's Dreamworld, some etheric curse dealie where minds are very open, projecting things into the world (Annie projected fake Kat, Zimmy switched 'lives' with Annie) and thus also very vulnerable to outside influences (spiders latching onto Jack, causing some craziness of their own[I like to think of the spiders as another trickster god, and that whole possessed Jack bit was them getting Jack to meet Zimmy again and fall for her, because that's a hilarious couple right there]). The pigeon is Kat. Its how she sees herself, subconsciously (remember how Kat's first love was the kid who turned into a bird). This is why they share thoughts. Zimmy can see it thanks to Kat's subconscious projecting into Zimmy's ether dealie. My take on the previous comic is basically Annie loves the forest(represented mainly by Kamlen), despite its dangers(Coyote's arm snipping bind), however her responsibilities(seen here projected by Annie's subconscious as Jones) preclude her from such things, as she must remain neutral(the politely smiling mask). Latest comic shows how she feels that she can discard that emotionally minimal, neutral mask when she is around her family at the court(Kat), and cry and smile joyfully freely. No idea what all that means but drat if I can't wait till Friday to find out. Writing this thesis on the psychological workings of the minds of three comic characters I've realized I probably need a GC avatar. Edit: a round of applause to Tom for crafting such a great story with fantastic characters. I look forward to sharing this comic with my friends (and little sister especially) once I get the print copies. Please continue for a long time, and please find more stories and things for me to buy because you truly deserve the support. Raposa fucked around with this message at 09:22 on May 16, 2012 |
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