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I had a similar lump on my shin from tkd as a kid. It shrunk and became jump a little bump on my shin that was basically invisible.
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I need to get some headgear for Muay Thai sparring, any recommendations? The standard at the gym seems to be the Twins HGL 3, which I can get online for $50. But I need my brain for work and stuff, so I wouldn't mind spending more for better protection. Has anyone used the Twins HGL 9 or HGL10? They are around $125 but if they're better protection, I'll get one.
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Stabbing Spork posted:I need to get some headgear for Muay Thai sparring, any recommendations? I use Winning headgear, but if you are really worried about your brain different headgear won't make that much of a difference, its mainly to prevent cuts and broken noses and stuff. The one thing you can do is get a full-face one that goes around the chin too to help you not get knocked out
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May 11, 2012 16:48
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If you want to preserve your head, you have to adopt a style that limits how much and hard you get hit there. The Winning FG-5900 can prevent your nose from getting crushed, but it can't contain how much long term damage you're getting from accumulated blows.
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May 11, 2012 18:06
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Im not going to lie, after reading the thread about CTE in football, its a little scary about getting back into boxing. Sure I knew there was injury possible and damage but I didnt realize how small impacts over time might have a serious damage done. Maybe Ill just stick with my gay pajama groping
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May 11, 2012 18:30
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swagger like us posted:Im not going to lie, after reading the thread about CTE in football, its a little scary about getting back into boxing. Sure I knew there was injury possible and damage but I didnt realize how small impacts over time might have a serious damage done. I still box for fun sometimes, but I've taken enough shots to the head from boxing and football that I don't let it get beyond little taps anymore. It's all about what you're comfortable with.
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May 11, 2012 18:36
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If you're moving like a linesman and running head first into your opponent you should probably give up boxing IMO
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Playing line in football is a very different animal from hobby boxing. Unless you're just hanging your head out for guys to tee off over and over
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May 11, 2012 19:17
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Talked about how long it's been since I had a cauliflower ear incident with some buddies today. Big mistake! Got a nice, solid kick in the ear that hosed it up again. Hooray! Now I have the choice of buying some syringes tomorrow to deal with it myself or waiting until monday at the earliest to have a doctor deal with it. loving Zzz.
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May 11, 2012 21:51
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Bohemian Nights posted:cauliflower ear Sorry to hear! I've been thinking about getting some headgear. I've never noticed any kind of swelling but my ears have been known to be sore for days after grappling. Am I pretty much on the fast track? Or are there a bunch of other people who get sore ears every other time they grapple but have lasted years without lancing anything?
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May 11, 2012 21:57
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McNerd posted:Sorry to hear! My ears get sore from grappling all the time but I dont get cauliflower ear, you only need to be worried if it swells up. You could wear headgear just to be safe though.......... if you're a baby!!!!!!!
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May 11, 2012 22:02
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I made a new boxing training thread in the former W&W.
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May 11, 2012 22:28
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Chemtrail Clem posted:My ears get sore from grappling all the time but I dont get cauliflower ear, you only need to be worried if it swells up. You could wear headgear just to be safe though.......... if you're a baby!!!!!!! Some people just have different ears. I've had mine bent all which ways but no cauliflower ear, but we'll get some guys who will get it from a semi-tight guillotine on their first day. Different sensitivities.
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May 12, 2012 06:25
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Stabbing Spork posted:I need to get some headgear for Muay Thai sparring, any recommendations? It sounds like you've just started sparring, so getting some super secure headgears seems stupid to me unless you could lose your job for looking like you got in a fight. The more secure a headgear, the less visibility. The less strikes you see coming, the more insecure you will be about opening up. Unless you're at a lovely gym, your sparring partners won't be throwing hard vs a beginner in order for you to learn how to deal with getting punched/kicked without falling into a defensive shell. Those full face headgears like the HGL 9 are useless for MT because you won't be able to see your opponents legs at close range. Don't get one that protects your chin either, because it won't keep you from getting knocked out and messes with your hand positioning. I'd recommend this here for regular sparring http://www.sharkwearsports.com/top-ten-avantgarde-head-guard-p-31.html and the Winning FG-2900 later for hard sparring sessions.
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Paul Pot posted:It sounds like you've just started sparring, so getting some super secure headgears seems stupid to me unless you could lose your job for looking like you got in a fight. The more secure a headgear, the less visibility. The less strikes you see coming, the more insecure you will be about opening up. Unless you're at a lovely gym, your sparring partners won't be throwing hard vs a beginner in order for you to learn how to deal with getting punched/kicked without falling into a defensive shell. Also, I remember watching a documentary on headgear that said that headgear can actually be worst for your brain than no headgear at all. It's good at protecting your face, but because of the added weight and other stuff I can't remember, your brain will bounce around more in your head than if you didn't wear any. So don't buy headgear thinking it will protect your brain cause it won't.
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the yellow dart posted:Some people just have different ears. I've had mine bent all which ways but no cauliflower ear, but we'll get some guys who will get it from a semi-tight guillotine on their first day. Different sensitivities. Yup. My right ear is a beautiful, natural ear that would make an angel weep to look upon it, even after years of abuse. My left is slowly applying for a Brazilian citizenship.
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May 12, 2012 12:26
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KingColliwog posted:Also, I remember watching a documentary on headgear that said that headgear can actually be worst for your brain than no headgear at all. It's good at protecting your face, but because of the added weight and other stuff I can't remember, your brain will bounce around more in your head than if you didn't wear any. So don't buy headgear thinking it will protect your brain cause it won't. in the case of someone getting knocked out cold it definitely protects the skull from the floor
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Having my third BJJ class on Monday! In my first one the teacher took me aside and showed me the extra-basic stuff like mount escapes, americana and breaking the guard. In the second one though, I trained with the rest of the class and we did some really cool stuff: double-leg, sprawling, and a couple of standing guillotine escapes. I was excited to see people training takedowns and standing grappling techniques, I love this part of martial arts. The instructor seems like the coolest guy ever and the students are all very friendly. I was very well received and despite being new they made me not feel out of place at all. No McDojo red flags, either. I'm thinking of staying with this gym and start training for real, and I'm really pumped. Now's the time to buy a gi, though, and there's a bazillion trillion billion brand options. I'm in Brazil so I don't know if you guys can help me there, but I'm thinking of going with Atama since it's the one that's most consistently recommended (Stephan Kesting wears Atama on his website, so I guess it's gone international too). Also it seems to be the one with the less intrusive BRANDNAME stamp. Bohemian Nights posted:Yup. My right ear is a beautiful, natural ear that would make an angel weep to look upon it, even after years of abuse. My left is slowly applying for a Brazilian citizenship. You never know what people think about your country until it gets compared to a cauliflower ear
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Xguard86 posted:Playing line in football is a very different animal from hobby boxing. Unless you're just hanging your head out for guys to tee off over and over Yeah, I played D line for years so I figure I've got a nice patina of scar tissue all over my frontal cortex. No reason to make a bad situation worse. Fake edit: Wrestling headgear is awesome, and I will hear no ill spoken of it. 
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May 12, 2012 17:27
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Anyone ever ordered from Meister MMA? http://www.meistermma.com/ They got some good cheap poo poo. Their anklets have good reviews on amazon. Probably get some hand wraps and some board shorts too as they aren't too TAP OUT MMA loving DRAGONS BRO. Wait, one pair is.
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Got liver KO'ed in sparring today. Tried to chase him down after he threw a weak sidekick, but he doubled it up and the second smacked me over the stomach and liver. We all take shots that hurt but we remain calm and work through. Tried to do that here. Maybe a 3s delayed reaction before my partner asked me if I was ok -- I just couldn't fake through it. Took a 20 count on a knee before I could get up. It was cool. I'm sure I would have taken the round off it'd landed any harder.
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Cyphoderus posted:Having my third BJJ class on Monday! The vibe of a gym is really important. If it's a cool place to train you'll never make excuses to skip training, and if they're cool people you're even more likely not to skip it because you want to hang out with your friends and break their arms/spines. Sounds like you have a cool gym on your hands.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:The vibe of a gym is really important. If it's a cool place to train you'll never make excuses to skip training, and if they're cool people you're even more likely not to skip it because you want to hang out with your friends and break their arms/spines. Sounds like you have a cool gym on your hands. I know you're joking and all, but allow me to whine a bit. Training with people who want to cause you injury, is not a good idea and should not be tolerated. I don't mean a wrestler or anyone else who is stuck in one gear, and that gear is 'go 100%'. I don't mean someone who may not be 100% clear on the rules making a mistake. I don't mean a legitimate accident. I mean a person whose objective is to very much cause you injury, outside of competition. Training hard within the confines of any combat sport or martial art is fine. Training as hard as you can, almost to the point of injury or in any situation where it is mutual is fine. Anyway at the moment I'm trying to get back into BJJ. Recently I've just been kind of burnt out from work the last couple of months. It'd be nice to have a job where I didn't have to get up at 4:30am and not get back home till 6.
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Christoff posted:They got some good cheap poo poo. Their anklets have good reviews on amazon. Probably get some hand wraps and some board shorts too as they aren't too TAP OUT MMA loving DRAGONS BRO. Wait, one pair is. If there is one place where dragons are ok it's on MMA gear.
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kimbo305 posted:Got liver KO'ed in sparring today. Tried to chase him down after he threw a weak sidekick, but he doubled it up and the second smacked me over the stomach and liver. Liver shots are the worst. I lost one MMA fight when i started chasing a guy into the ropes and took a counter knee in the liver. I sounded like a beached dolphin 
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I posted this on the boxing thread:Ligur posted:Threw a combined class today for both BF sparring fighters and fitness boxers. I got the fitness boxers to spar with the savateurs and they were completely on FIRE about it. (The more experienced strikers who spar regularly were, of course, really easy on them, I just wanted everyone to have fun with it.) ... but I think it fits both threads There's just something in it when you see a girl (or a guy) who just broke all her previous boundaries in what she thought was "normal" and threw a PUNCH. At SOMEONE. And the someone PUNCHED BACK. And then they find out the frigging LOVE IT, eyes all sparkly, face flushed and the biggest grin on. edit: Wait a moment. quote:squealing... love it... eyes sparkly... face flushed... I'm not sure if I should be disturbed or not about the fact it's almost as if I was posting about some sort of sexual activity here. Ligur fucked around with this message at 12:29 on May 13, 2012 |
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KingColliwog posted:Also, I remember watching a documentary on headgear that said that headgear can actually be worst for your brain than no headgear at all. It's good at protecting your face, but because of the added weight and other stuff I can't remember, your brain will bounce around more in your head than if you didn't wear any. So don't buy headgear thinking it will protect your brain cause it won't. I didn't see your documentary so I could be wrong, but I think the usual arguments are: 1. When you're wearing headgear you do stupid stuff you wouldn't do otherwise (and likewise your training partners might punch a little too hard.) 2. The added mass of heavy gloves is claimed to make punches more powerful in some respects (in addition to, again, letting people punch harder than they should). But I don't see why heavy headgear would have the same effect. In fact if you increase your skull's mass it ought to move less when you hit it, and therefore your brain will bounce around less too.. (How much do you think the Earth's iron core moves around when you jump up and down? Not much, because the Earth's crust itself is so heavy you're barely moving it in the first place, let alone transmitting that energy to the mantle and core.) Of course some of these effects might be downright insignificant. McNerd fucked around with this message at 15:35 on May 13, 2012 |
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McNerd posted:I didn't see your documentary so I could be wrong, but I think the usual arguments are: IIRC the issue with headgear is that people hit harder. There are two issues with gloves. First off you have the extra mass, but more importantly you can't punch people very hard in the head with a bare fist without injuring yourself. The old bare-knuckle fighters would actually try to block with their heads.
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McNerd posted:I didn't see your documentary so I could be wrong, but I think the usual arguments are: Hahah I love this aspergian analysis of the mass of a skull. So if someone had a really tiny head it would just float away when it gets punched right? Heads are attached to necks, the idea about headgear (whether or not its actually true in practice) is that your neck muscles are usually strong enough to brace your head in place and roll with the punches etc, but if you attach a big weight to the top of your head your goony pencil neck may not be used to it and your head will be snapping back and going wild with whiplash every time you get jabbed
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kimbo305 posted:Got liver KO'ed in sparring today. Tried to chase him down after he threw a weak sidekick, but he doubled it up and the second smacked me over the stomach and liver. I like hunting for the liver off a spinning back kick. I find a really lazy, telegraphed turning kick will usually set up my opponent backing away from the kick and looking to rush in. Plant my foot, spin and send it right at their midsection. It took me a while to be able to throw it accurately, quickly and then the same at different ranges but I get the feeling that if I was to throw one full force when needed it would fold someone.
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heavier gloves are harder to accelerate even if you disregard that there's more cushioning in the material, so I must strongly disagree with my fellow goon's F=MA utilization. we could get to the bottom of this by cutting up a pair of gloves, placing it in a vacuum and performing autofellatio.
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Christoff posted:Anyone ever ordered from Meister MMA? I ordered the focus mitts from them last year. They were a good beginner buy - light, large target, durable and super cheap.
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Yeah I just ordered a pair of wraps, anklets, and some of the blue board shorts. Even if they're half decent I'll be impressed considering the price.
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Paul Pot posted:I'd recommend this here for regular sparring http://www.sharkwearsports.com/top-ten-avantgarde-head-guard-p-31.html and the Winning FG-2900 later for hard sparring sessions. Thanks for the advice, I didn't even think about how the HGL9 would limit my field of vision. The headgear you listed looks good, and I'll probably one. Most the guys in the gym are pretty relaxed, so I'm not worried too worried about getting my head knocked off right away. I was looking for some options apart from the basic twins headgerar.
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Stylewise (there was a heavy focus on this in the show), Traditional jujitsu & kickboxing (male) and BJJ (women's) won Norway's first televised MMA reality show. Go team pajamas disease hugging! You may be able to see the finale fights here, but I dunno if it's open for international audiences http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10065645 http://www.vg.no/sport/artikkel.php?artid=10053525 Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 00:51 on May 15, 2012 |
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HEMA talk time! Just returned from HEMAC Dijon XI, which is one of the bigger HEMA events out there, and was awesome. 4 days filled with various workshops, a tournament and drunken debauchery. Did any of the (...3?) other HEMA goons attend? This year I mostly stuck to the grappling workshops, most of which were pretty good. Not much gets done with wrestling in my country (Holland) to begin with, so the hardcore Ringen workshop was a pretty fun change of pace. Also, every workshop liked to do a million squats, that was less than ideal, holy crap. Found myself at a beginner's workshop of Fiore's Abrazare, wristlocks etc, which was fun but we've covered this material at my group for years now, so kind of a waste. Also got to test out a bunch of new gear, several Federswords, the new SPAS vests, etc. Sadly, someone from my group bought 2 Peter Rygenjek(?) feders which proceeded to get bent before the day was out, so that sucked. Also got to refine some dagger work under Colin Richards, who remains a magnificent bastard and awesome instructor, and did some very weird workshop called "Fight for your Life" where they wanted to simulate the stress and nastyness that went paired with fencing with sharp steel weapons. Analyzing the wounds people received during single-touch sparring fights, followed by taking a few of us aside, prepping the crowd to act in a certain way and having us fight while there was stuff at stake. 2 people bet their swords, 2 people fought to not have to run a gauntlet, and apparently my fight "for honour" meant "the loser gets a rubber cock in his mouth for the rest of the workshop." Probably shouldn't have extended my hand for a friendly handshake before the bout, there. Other guy was really affected by the stress of the fight and hit me in the head, can't wait for the cock pictures. And we got to do some test cutting afterwards, which is always fun. The tournament, however, was a massive steaming pile of poo poo. First there were the qualifying rounds, which meant finding your opponents and a random judge yourself, then fighting to the first hit. I started off with a double KO because of the other guy's recklessness, then swept the rest of my pool. Would have qualified, except they decided to add another person to the pool after all the fights were done, whom I beat, but gave the runner-up from my pool enough points to catch up to me. Despite losing half his fights. So, that sucked. Then the tourney started properly. And we found out the judges, all the judges, were completely retarded, not (properly) trained, blatantly not calling clean hits that the fighters themselves showed, blind, and just generally being incompetent. There was one guy from my group fighting, it was to a 2 point advantage, and the fight went on for about 15 minutes before it resulted in a double KO, audience groaning all the way because of all the lovely calls. You know it's bad when the organizer tells people to lay off the judges during the semi-finals. Nobody, not the judges, the audience nor the fighters, was happy with the tournament, and it went on *forever* Point sparring, man. Sunday I just spent all day challenging people to fights and trying out new weapons and whatever, which was awesome. Unfortunately with 10m on the clock I was gonna wrestle some other Dutch guy I didn't know, who proceeded to first slam in a wristlock at full power with his bodyweight behind it, almost broke my wrist. And because I'm dumb and didn't immediately back off after that, he threw me, grabbed me in a headlock and fell with his full weight straight on my neck. What a cock. So now my neck and upper back hurt like gently caress, any tips besides ibuprofen, massage and checking with a doctor/physical therapist if the pain persists? Aside from the tourney and almost becoming a cripple, it was awesome, though. E; Here's me totally cutting the poo poo out of a water bottle, see if you can spot why this is a horrible blow: 
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Overlong badly judged tournaments is pretty much a combat sport tradition. That all sounds pretty cool, I'd love to do like a Saturday workshop on sword/dagger fighting. Especially since you can actually go at it.
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NovemberMike posted:The old bare-knuckle fighters would actually try to block with their heads. I know some older boxers who also blocked and taugh to with the forehead. A friend who was learned to do so just started slipping after walking out from the gym with a headache two consecutive months... Some of them walk a little weird and speak slurred today.
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Here is some research on headgear: http://wwww.asbweb.org/conferences/2006/pdfs/242.pdf
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Rhaka posted:HEMA talk time! Rhaka posted:The tournament, however, was a massive steaming pile of poo poo. First there were the qualifying rounds, which meant finding your opponents and a random judge yourself, then fighting to the first hit. I started off with a double KO because of the other guy's recklessness, then swept the rest of my pool. Would have qualified, except they decided to add another person to the pool after all the fights were done, whom I beat, but gave the runner-up from my pool enough points to catch up to me. Despite losing half his fights. So, that sucked. Man dude, that's really not cool. Why no love for victories above all else? I'm assuming that seedings were done by indicator or hits landed, based on the runner-up tying with you (or, gasp, overtaking you). Rhaka posted:...Badly trained judges... I'm sure it don't help to hear, but it happens everywhere. At the last tourney I went to, one of my teammates forced the assigned ref for pools to only monitor the bouts. A fencer not in the match was then allowed to do the actual directing. Rhaka posted:E; Here's me totally cutting the poo poo out of a water bottle, see if you can spot why this is a horrible blow: My first instinct is the your elbow's too far outside. Also, you don't look like you solid planted or something, your stance just looks a little loose. And, finally, you've got a stupid look on your face that screams "Yep, I blew that one!"
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